Responding to GmanLives' Unity Doom video (Removed)

[AmethystViper]

If anything unlike ICARUSLIV3S where he made some tactless jokes towards the developer of The Citadel in his own review of that game (and I don't think he ever apologized to other than saying "don't go harassing developers" to save face), it seems like Gmanlives is trying to learn from his mi...

 

34 minutes ago, gotsu said:

 

...never mind then...

[Edward850]

37 minutes ago, gotsu said:

Describing the game as a complete rewrite of the original engine, when it wasn't and was in fact the original idTech1 all along, as semantics is making the word "semantics" do some gigantic leg work there, GmanLives.

 

It would be exactly like describing the Master Chief Collection as a port to Unreal Engine 4.

[ReaperAA]

8 minutes ago, Spectre01 said:

"Innocent YouTuber gets dogpiled by toxic Doomworld purists!"

 

"Doomkid is more toxic than the Doom's -20 health damaging floors"

[mrthejoshmon]

It's always fun when someone speaks with authority about Vanilla and instead are talking about GZDoom because they know no other version.

 

Reminds me when someone on the Doomyard Facebook page tried to convince me PSX Doom had Nightmare then linked me a video of GZDoom, to which I responded with pictures of the actual disc.

 

I own the Unity ports, they are basically Vanilla + and play exactly like every other vanilla port with fixes and life improvements, I've played enough with controller and MnK (which you can do on console if you know how) on both platforms to confidently say it's Vanilla Doom.

[Old-Doomguy]

Hey listen, I've seen a few of his videos and there are often errors in his reviews etc. But it's just a game so it's not like people will vote badly or invest badly or do other bad choices in life due to his videos. So I really haven't cared about it, just stopped watching. 

 

So it's funny to see how he reacts when someone actually speaks his mind. I'm not surprised that it was Doom that would start this movement, cause that's a tried and tested game that many people know everything about. 

 

And since he does these videos for money, rather than passion of the game, it serves him right to remove the video. 

 

The community that creates maps and mods and ports doesn't make shit from it other than love and respect, so I don't like that he or anyone with just a basic knowledge of the game should be able to make money without even doing research or even knowing the difference between gz and vanilla. 

[Redneckerz]

There is a difference between semantics and being errornous. Like calling GZDoom Gzdoom.

 

Gman's statements are errornous, not semantics. There is nothing wrong in pointing that out and its not a big deal either.

 

Its only a issue now because of how Gman handles it. 

 

A complaint or constructive criticism is usually free advice. Perhaps its worth exploring how valid Doomkid's points are instead of telling your audience that its about semantics.

 

Gman is doing damage control for something that does not need to have damage control in the first place.

Edited September 14, 2020 by Redneckerz : Typo!

[whybmonotacrab]

I don't think I'd have a problem with Gman being wrong if he wasn't such an arrogant ass about it. His attitude is obnoxious, shaming people who play on lower difficulties, use accessibility options, or can't afford a gaming pc. He acts like he knows everything, and consistently gets into arguments with people who disagree with him to the point of damn near bullying them. I've been watching him since 2012 or 2013, and he used to make really good content - he's gotten me into some awesome obscure games I'd have had no idea about otherwise - but as soon as his channel got big around 2015 he started being more and more dickish.

 

 Not to mention that he's kind of hugely misogynistic at times, and some of his videos are weirdly creepy - like his Metal Gear Solid review where he goes on about how he wants to bang all the women in MGS and when he runs out of women in that game he starts randomly bringing up women in other ps1 games he wanted to bang.

[MassiveEdgelord]

GZDoom is a mediocre port anyways I don't get why he uses it for comparison anyways.

[El Juancho]

Nice video, btw, i hate how Ggman talks, his weird accent pissed me off I don't know why haha.

[Wild Dog]

4 hours ago, whybmonotacrab said:

I don't think I'd have a problem with Gman being wrong if he wasn't such an arrogant ass about it. His attitude is obnoxious, shaming people who play on lower difficulties, use accessibility options, or can't afford a gaming pc. He acts like he knows everything, and consistently gets into arguments with people who disagree with him to the point of damn near bullying them.

 

That's the issue when you have a very edgy fan base.. They will push you into becoming the ULTIMATE EDGE LORD!!!

"Hey are you playing DOOM with a CONTROLLLEEEER!! YOU ARE DEAD TO ME!!"

 

Oh STFU I'm not going to play Doom with a gamepad i will play it with a touchscreen or maybe try to play it somehow on a pregnancy test

[whybmonotacrab]

3 minutes ago, JuanchoES said:

Nice video, btw, i hate how Ggman talks, his weird accent pissed me off I don't know why haha.

Sorry man, us Aussies will try not to talk in the future. Didn't know how obnoxious we sounded until now haha.

[El Juancho]

"Sigil is too dark and hard" "Blood fresh supply works perfectly on launch guys!!!"

 

This is why i dont watch his channel anymore, i only watch civvie

Edited September 14, 2020 by JuanchoES

[MFG38]

"Something simple like Brutal Doom" made me facepalm so hard my hands fell off.

[Thermal Lance]

4 minutes ago, MFG38 said:

"Something simple like Brutal Doom" made me facepalm so hard my hands fell off.

Lucky outcome. I facepalmed so hard my hard went through my skull. Lucky for me, I don't need a brain.

[El Juancho]

2 minutes ago, Thermal Lance said:

Lucky outcome. I facepalmed so hard my hard went through my skull. Lucky for me, I don't need a brain.

[Allard]

58 minutes ago, JuanchoES said:

"Sigil is too dark and hard" "Blood fresh supply works perfectly on launch guys!!!"

This is why i dont watch his channel anymore, i only watch civvie

The Blood thing actually made me unsub from Gman and sub to Civvie in the first place.

[Thermal Lance]

Just now, JuanchoES said:

Yup. That is pretty accurate.

[Biodegradable]

2 minutes ago, Allard said:

The Blood thing actually made me unsub from Gman and sub to Civvie in the first place.

 

That was the big revelation for me regarding Gman's lack of credibility as a critic.

[Eurisko]

We have all been horrible guys. He is clearly upset.

I'm gonna start a Go Fund Me for some much needed butt hurt cream - unity port edition. 

[Cruduxy Pegg]

Ah yes the doom music sounds weird when you hear the real version for the first time. 

[Senor500]

1 hour ago, MassiveEdgelord said:

GZDoom is a mediocre port anyways I don't get why he uses it for comparison anyways.

GZDoom is the best port for modding, no discussion there, and also really good for convenience, both being reasons why people use it so much. Sure, there's better ones for vanilla play, but most people don't really care about the small differences while playing Doom.

Saying that a vanilla port should support GZDoom mods is bad though.

[chemo]

5 minutes ago, Senor500 said:

GZDoom is the best port for modding, no discussion there, and also really good for convenience, both being reasons why people use it so much. Sure, there's better ones for vanilla play, but most people don't really care about the small differences while playing Doom.

Saying that a vanilla port should support GZDoom mods is bad though.

TBH I don't even think GZDoom is very "convenient". There's so many terrible default settings and going through the sheer number of options to get your desired configuration is a nightmare. I'm almost never sure if I adjusted everything I wanted.

 

Being able to tweak things is nice, but I think this source port is the quintessential example of "too much of a good thing".

[MassiveEdgelord]

12 minutes ago, Senor500 said:

GZDoom is the best port for modding, no discussion there, and also really good for convenience, both being reasons why people use it so much. Sure, there's better ones for vanilla play, but most people don't really care about the small differences while playing Doom.

Saying that a vanilla port should support GZDoom mods is bad though.

Zandronum is the best cuz it's compatiable with most mods afaik.

[TheNoob_Gamer]

19 minutes ago, MassiveEdgelord said:

Zandronum is the best cuz it's compatiable with most mods afaik.

Not really, it's 75-80% at best.

[seed]

On 9/14/2020 at 6:04 PM, Allard said:

The Blood thing actually made me unsub from Gman and sub to Civvie in the first place.

 

Same here, Civvie's review is what got me to watch the rest of his videos too.

 

I think people are really overthinking this whole debacle and turning it into a drama where there is nothing drama worthy in the slightest. Yes, the main reason why people have made response videos like DK did right here was to debunk the misinformation that ran rampant in his video, not "just a few little things". That isn't dogpiling or shitting on someone, unless you have some real and very serious issues that make you somehow perceive constructive criticism as toxicity and harassment.

 

People debunking someone else's misinformation is absolutely necessary, especially in this day and age, because this is exactly how fake news, propaganda, lies, idiocy, hate, and misinformation spreads, no-one takes their time to debunk it and people start eating the shit, then cut each other's throat for it. Not, cool.

 

It looks like GMan is also irresponsible and does not want to assume anything at all. No, what he said in his video was a mixture of lame stabs at some people, factually incorrect information regarding the Unity port, and making invalid comparisons with GZDoom when the port was always meant to be vanilla but enhanced, and not remade in Unity from the ground up. This is not a matter of "semantics" like "PrBoom" vs "prboom", or "RUDE" vs "rude" at all, and him playing the victim card over imaginary "belittlement" only makes matters even worse. He's basically digging himself into a hole, willingly but unconsciously, then wonders why all this led where it did. No shit.

Edited September 15, 2020 by seed

[MFG38]

29 minutes ago, MassiveEdgelord said:

Zandronum is the best cuz it's compatiable with most mods afaik.

 

Except the ones that either are powered by ZScript or make extensive use of DECORATE functions that Zandronum doesn't even support.

[amackert]

13 hours ago, Thermal Lance said:

I do think the video kind of went a bit into the "Let's make fun of" territory.

 

I am OK with this. Every time I think of that Baron scenario in his Sigil video, I die a little on the inside..

 

In all seriousness, the guy needs to get back to basics with his videos. He pushes too far with shitty, abrasive humor and he needs to lay off the technical jargon, because he obviously has no idea what he is talking about. Critique the games based on their merits (or lack thereof), and leave it at that. It also wouldn't hurt for him to lay off the, "I am a DOOM god" type of talk, because he obviously is not.

 

I enjoyed his stuff for many years, but as shown in his Twitter comment earlier in the thread, he does the videos for the "entertainment" value now. The critique/educational aspect is secondary and that is disappointing.

[Doom Factory]

I watched your video this morning and it was all corrections and constructive criticism. Kinda sus if he took it down over your video. Hopefully he is fixing his mistakes. Mistakes are a part of life that shouldn't be hidden but learned from.

[D4NUK1]

 

Satire of course. 

Still a fan of ggman videos thou.

[Cacodemon345]

Anyway, what was the amount of likes and dislikes on the now-taken-down GmanLives video?