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Boogie fired his roommate's gun at professional troll Frank Hassle

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1 hour ago, Nevander said:

This looks very fake to me. Confirmation?

 

Boogie submitted everything to the police who are presently investigating it. Their hatred for each other is genuine and has been going on for months. It makes no sense why they'd both work towards doing something that could easily land them in trouble with the law.

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1 hour ago, Nevander said:

This looks very fake to me. Confirmation?

 

Supposedly cops are involved.

 

Boogie is quite likely to face charges. He should have stayed inside and waited for the cops. That "warning shot" could have killed someone else. Self-defense only applies if you have genuine reason to believe you are in direct danger. Had hassle broken in, it would be a different story.

 

Hassle is clearly human trash. I had never heard of him before now but his actions paint a clear picture. I'd have struggled to feel sympathy for him even if he did get shot. Boogie was in the wrong too, but you cannot say he did not give Hassle ample opportunity to back off.

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Ma, the American doormat you bought from the flea market, it smells like blood!

 

...ahem.

Unnecessarily snarky and hopefully-not-offensive remarks out of the way, this kind of situation is pretty fucked. Both parties involved are very lucky, and Frank Hassle is very stupid for insisting on being a dick even after being on the verge of becoming a shiny new front yard paintjob. While I'm not into letting people have guns¹, that's not what you're supposed to do when held at gunpoint, especially when it's such an unnecessary situation to begin with. To be fully honest, I'd rather Darwin do his thing.

 

¹ I wonder why only Americans want so much to possess 'legal guns', and nobody else has such concerns? I'm not asking as an anti-gun or pro-gun rantivist, but rather simply because it makes no sense that this is an issue only in America. Among other things, like free public healthcare (which is a thing even here in Brazil), or the "forsaken satanic cult" that is socialism, and any policies that are remotely alike, such as... free public healthcare.

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9 minutes ago, Gustavo6046 said:

Frank Hassle is very stupid for insisting on being a dick even after being on the verge of becoming a shiny new front yard paintjob

 

I laughed way too hard at this.

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Yeah, now that I read it myself it's kinda funny, although the underlying connotations are rather grim (probably more than I meant them to be).

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1 hour ago, Gustavo6046 said:

Yeah, now that I read it myself it's kinda funny, although the underlying connotations are rather grim (probably more than I meant them to be).

 

Meh. He deserves it. I have no tolerance for victmizers and bullies and people like Hassle, and no sympathy should those actions bring them harm. Unless you are genuinely impaired in some way (which is rare), you know damned well what you are doing and that it is wrong. Hassle clearly does. He's just too much of a  sociopath to care. I would bet money he has more than a few skeletons in his closet that the public is unaware of.

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2 hours ago, Murdoch said:

That "warning shot" could have killed someone else.

No, it's not obvious if he fired at the ground.

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21 minutes ago, AinuTheTaken said:

No, it's not obvious if he fired at the ground.

 

One source said he fired at a tree. Certainly the ground is safer so hopefully it was indeed the case.

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8 hours ago, Murdoch said:

 

Supposedly cops are involved.

 

Boogie is quite likely to face charges. He should have stayed inside and waited for the cops. That "warning shot" could have killed someone else. Self-defense only applies if you have genuine reason to believe you are in direct danger. Had hassle broken in, it would be a different story.

He will. You're not supposed to fire warning shots, or even shots only intent to injure. As you said, under virtually all (I say virtually because I don't know the laws of all states by the letter) castle-doctrine or self-defense laws, you are only allowed to fire if you feel you or someone else's life is in immediate danger. Sometimes if you shoot someone who's fleeing your property, you can still get off in a jury trial if you can prove that you felt like they would come back with more force.

 

But yeah, he's on tape saying he was going to fire a warning shot. It's on the internet. He will face charges, as he should. This Frank fellow was harassing him, and trespassing. Call the cops, wait for them to deal with it. Arm yourself if you feel you are truly threatened, but don't open the door. Press charges for harassment, provide evidence in court, which again is all over the internet, and let justice take its course. If he actually breaks in and you feel your life is in danger, and you should because a psycho just broke into your house, feel free to fire. No warning shots, no intentional shots to wound, only fire with intent to kill. At least if you want it to hold up in court. And for the love of god, don't film the fucking thing. Especially in a situation where it escalates to the use of a firearm, as my Dad once said "Your story holds up a lot better in court if you're the only witness.".

 

Really made the wrong choice with saying it was a warning shot. I mean, best case scenario for him, he could've fired a warning shot without announcing it. Then he would have the alibi of saying he feared for his life, fired, and missed. But don't fire a warning shot, bullets can ricochet very easily and still maintain lethality. I've fired at targets on the ground 50 yards away at a slight downwards angle so they'd just smash into the dirt behind the target, and watched them hit the backstop 100 yards away 15 feet up from where I fired from. Heard the ricochet too, neat sound in real life; also a scary sound.

 

And again, people need to stop fucking filming every second of their lives. The last thing I filmed was over a year ago. It's a two minute video of my cat cautiously sticking her paw through the blinds in the living room window, trying to figure out how to get to the birds outside. And I've shared it with a few family members.

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I would like to make a correction in the thread's title. The gun wasn't Boogie's, but rather, it belonged to his roommate.

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51 minutes ago, Ajora said:

I would like to make a correction in the thread's title. The gun wasn't Boogie's, but rather, it belonged to his roommate.

I did notice that, but I felt it polite not to mention it. 

 

Just makes his situation worse, borrowing a gun for a reckless discharge. 

 

And just for the record, never heard of either of these two people before.

 

Edit: Now that I think about it, it makes things bad for his roommate as well. He's now an accessory. And if this Boogie guy has posted text and video of himself expressing a depressive state, he's not someone that should be in possession of a firearm; especially when the roommate knows what the situation is. They're both certainly culpable, and he could face penalties as well. Such as having his firearms confiscated, if he's handing them out like candy. And that's probably the best case scenario.

 

Sorry, just makes my blood boil to watch people treat firearms like toys.

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8 hours ago, Gustavo6046 said:

 I wonder why only Americans want so much to possess 'legal guns', and nobody else has such concerns? I'm not asking as an anti-gun or pro-gun rantivist, but rather simply because it makes no sense that this is an issue only in America. Among other things, like free public healthcare (which is a thing even here in Brazil), or the "forsaken satanic cult" that is socialism, and any policies that are remotely alike, such as... free public healthcare.

 

I’m with you 100% there’s man. I’m quite pro-gun myself but I feel that a sensible pro-gun sentiment in my country seems to be America’s 2A community’s idea of the apocalypse... I’ll leave it there as don’t want this thread to end up becoming political.

 

5 hours ago, Murdoch said:

 

One source said he fired at a tree. Certainly the ground is safer so hopefully it was indeed the case.

 

Yes and no. Depending on the situation hitting the ground could still be really bad or deadly. I.e. If there was a rock just under the grounds surface and Boogie shot a foot in front of dickheads feet, you could get a ricochet / fragments. Boogie might have made the best call possible given the circumstances though and I guess we’ll just have to wait for the police report.

 

Either way, I really feel that Boogie hasn’t helped himself over the last few years but he sure as hell didn’t deserve this and I think the asshole that came to his house was very, very lucky to get away unscathed.

 

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1 hour ago, DooM Bear said:

Yes and no. Depending on the situation hitting the ground could still be really bad or deadly. I.e. If there was a rock just under the grounds surface and Boogie shot a foot in front of dickheads feet, you could get a ricochet / fragments.

 

Yes, ricochets are always possible. One of the ironies of firearms physics is that less powerful rounds, particularly handguns, are more likely to ricochet but they typically lose at lot of their power in doing so. Still sometimes enough to do damage as @Jello correctly pointed out. Hand guns are not known for their accuracy of course, particularly in the hands of the agitated and untrained so if he had shot the tree he could have gotten a ricochet or a straight up miss. I should have perhaps said "relatively safer".

 

I made the mistake of skimming through Hassle's Twitter. One word - yikes. He is clearly unhinged and if his head was any further up his own ass he would disappear entirely. We should be so lucky. In cases like this, I almost hate the people encouraging and supporting him than Hassle himself. He would have disappeared into the hole he crawled out of long ago but for the people supporting him. Attention is a hell of a drug, and much like alcohol it can drop a person's inhibitions and bring the less pleasant aspects of their character to the forefront. Lather, rinse, repeat and the end result is seldom pleasant.

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Apologies for Keemstar's shitty meme edit, it's the only version of the footage of Boogie firing the gun that seems to be available right now:

 

 

He fired it into the air on an angle, not even looking at where the gun's pointing. Bit reckless.

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The only time I've heard about this Boogie guy was from a SomeOrdinaryGamer's video a while back and not to sound like a douche but he looks like the type of guy who says that ''SJWs are such snowflakes and get offended by everything'' yet makes several videos about them and loses his shit when the lead character in any form of media is from a minority or a woman.

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6 hours ago, TenenteZashu said:

The only time I've heard about this Boogie guy was from a SomeOrdinaryGamer's video a while back and not to sound like a douche but he looks like the type of guy who says that ''SJWs are such snowflakes and get offended by everything'' yet makes several videos about them and loses his shit when the lead character in any form of media is from a minority or a woman.

 

Boogie is nothing like that.  

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6 hours ago, TenenteZashu said:

blablabla

 

Boy, I love talking shit about something I don't even know! Haha I'm so funny!

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15 hours ago, Biodegradable said:

He fired it into the air on an angle, not even looking at where the gun's pointing. Bit reckless.

 

Indeed. Honestly if he avoids jail time at this stage it will be a miracle.

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21 hours ago, Biodegradable said:

Apologies for Keemstar's shitty meme edit, it's the only version of the footage of Boogie firing the gun that seems to be available right now:

He fired it into the air on an angle, not even looking at where the gun's pointing. Bit reckless.

Wow, that footage will get him in trouble. If you fire it at a direct angle like that, it's still on a ballistic trajectory, and still maintains enough velocity and energy to kill someone when it comes down. I've hit soda cans at 100 yards with a  Colt .45 and they split wide open. I had to aim well above the berm, and let the bullets drop into them. It still looked like it would be lethal.

 

Hopefully he just has a giant field in front of his house, but somehow I doubt it. I was concerned about a ricochet from firing into the ground, but that video is absolute proof of a reckless discharge. Oh well, guess it's not my problem. If you have guns, be safe. They're not a toy.

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Yeah, if you fire a warning shot, best to just aim it at some nice soft soil or something. A surface that won't ricochet or just fly off into space.

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36 minutes ago, FractalBeast said:

Yeah, if you fire a warning shot, best to just aim it at some nice soft soil or something. A surface that won't ricochet or just fly off into space.

 

I think people shouldn’t use warning shots at all personally. I don’t even like the idea of flashing a gun as a deterrent.

 

You are either in a situation so dangerous that you are willing to take someone else’s life, or you aren’t.

 

If you aren’t, gun stays in its holster till things either escalate or de-escalate.

 

As @Jello said, these thing aren’t toys.

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20 hours ago, DooM Bear said:

 

I think people shouldn’t use warning shots at all personally. I don’t even like the idea of flashing a gun as a deterrent.

 

You are either in a situation so dangerous that you are willing to take someone else’s life, or you aren’t.

 

If you aren’t, gun stays in its holster till things either escalate or de-escalate.

 

As @Jello said, these thing aren’t toys.

Yeah, in a confrontation, you never ready a firearm unless you're willing to use it to defend your, or someone else's life. It's not to be used simply as a scary deterrent just because you're scared. If you are in fact in fear of your life or another persons, and it does deter someone and makes them walk away, that's great. But only draw it if you believe that person is intent on physical harm, otherwise, attempt to de-escalate the situation or call the police. 

 

He was inside his house, he was safe. Have the firearm close by, or in hand, in case he breaks in, but just call the police, let them deal with it. That's their job.

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