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Am I A Egotistical Piece Of Crap?

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Allow me to explain myself... I was strongly anti-SJW a few years back, and even now I still from time to time watch some of that stuff... It just keeps pulling me in. However, there was a point where I started shifting directions and going towards the other side of the spectrum... I have watched at this this point many videos trying to debunk them too. And the thing is... Sometimes I just get really tired of the anti-SJW thing and start flocking again to the left... Does that make me a coward? Am I just going into my safe spaces and echo chambers because I can't handle the truth and the other side? Am I too narcissistic? Can't I handle other people's opinions?

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2 minutes ago, Matias said:

if your views on things change so drastically they probably aren't your own views. Stop watching political youtube channels and figure out what are your own actual views on things. Also there is no point of subscribing to someone elses ideology, it's completely fine to agree on some things and disagree on others. I don't think there is anyone that will 100% agree with you on everything and that is perfect. Also stay away from echo chambers and focus on facts.

Perhaps I worded myself not very clearly in the OP, but when I said "flocking to the left" I meant stopped watching the anti-SJW videos and go to videos debunking them, not change my ideology completely... Like I said, I do still watch it from time to time, however, my beliefes are more firmly on the left right now. I just kind of feel conflicted with if they are the right views, if that makes sense, and if I should still just continue to watch anti-SJW stuff.

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14 minutes ago, DSC said:

Perhaps I worded myself not very clearly in the OP, but when I said "flocking to the left" I meant stopped watching the anti-SJW videos and go to videos debunking them, not change my ideology completely... Like I said, I do still watch it from time to time, however, my beliefes are more firmly on the left right now. I just kind of feel conflicted with if they are the right views, if that makes sense, and if I should still just continue to watch anti-SJW stuff.

 

There isn't really such a thing as "right" views. People spew bullshit all the time regardless of their views.

 

As Matias said though, if you find yourself yoyo-ing between multiple ideologies, that's an indication you're yet to discover where you truly stand, which required a deconstruction and observing what makes sense to you personally and what doesn't. Try to stick to facts as much as possible in whatever you do, and do seek opposing views to learn of counterarguments and what others think. Echo chambers only help with amplifying your own biases, and your understanding can never grow if that is all you feed your brain. Likewise, toxic chambers have the same effect.

 

Also, forget the SJW nonsense, since you brought this up. There's no such thing and rarely if ever can a decent point be made there.

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"Am I A Egotistical Piece Of Crap?"

we all are.

Next question?

 

(now, for a more real answer, our perception of the world is always shifting and what we believe is attached to that. It's actually a good thing to see videos and read stuff that contradicts what we think, only if it only sets us more in our ways of thinking. Re: SJW.. The initial idea, "everyone deserves the same respect" is something pretty much anyone can get behind, but that's now buried under years of things and discurse and "canceling" and what not, to the point even I, a very left leaning person, sometimes think it's gone too far, so I can kinda get the anti-SJW point even if I don't agree with it.)

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@DSC fair enough, it could have been me understanding it incorrectly since english is not my first language. You can be center-left and still be anti-sjw, it's not really a right vs left thing. Someone with more leftist views could think that sjw:s are hurting their cause and causing more harm than good as an example. I personally have views that align more with right but i also have some views that are very much considered left wing. If you feel conflicted about your views i still say it would be good to take distance from online politics and just take time to either figure out what are your own core values or just ignore the entire existence of politics for a while.

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9 minutes ago, seed said:

Also, forget the SJW nonsense, since you brought this up. There's no such thing and rarely if ever can a decent point be made there.

Just a quick question seed: what do you mean exactly by "SJW nonsense" in that sentence? The anti-SJW videos or the concept of SJWs themselves?

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6 minutes ago, DSC said:

Just a quick question seed: what do you mean exactly by "SJW nonsense" in that sentence? The anti-SJW videos or the concept of SJWs themselves?

 

Both actually, the toxic connotation that the word has been getting as of late, as a supposed root of all evil, and how the original concept lost its meaning, where it's now used to denigrate certain groups of people.

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As we learn and grow, our perspective and sensibilities change. What's happening is you're simply noticing a change in your own ideals and point of view. I don't think this makes you cowardly or narcissistic, really. I'm not entirely sure what you're really asking with this post, DSC, but I can assure you that you're simply learning where you personal values lie as you learn more about yourself and gauge from your experiences and the things you see and hear going on in the world. We're never the same person we are from several years ago. Change is inevitable, so embrace it.

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It seems some people are getting confused at what I'm trying to ask here, which is alright, English isn't my first language anyways. So I'll try and clear everything up: I do identify as in the left, but should I still watch those anti-SJW videos even if I think they are nothing but hateful cesspools and it ends up taking a big emotional toll on me? Am I wrong in disliking them and should I still not be a coward and force myself upon them while abandoning content that appeals more to me?

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If it ends up leaving too much of an emotional impact then no, you should stop watching the said content.

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Are you seriously blaming yourself because you don't feel like you're not a part of a tribe, or a real believer?

There are no absolute political truths because you're a relative node in the social web, and the political leanings of someone have less to do with "the truth" than his own desires and aspirations as a particular individual with his own burden of biases from and towards him.

 

Maybe you should stop giving attention to Youtube videos and pseudo-religious political clubs and read college sociology and philosophy instead. Baudrillard, Postman, etc.

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11 minutes ago, DSC said:

should I still watch those anti-SJW videos even if I think they are nothing but hateful cesspools and it ends up taking a big emotional toll on me?

 

I'm pretty sure you just answered your own question here, fam.

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Also, just one more question... Just for the hell of it, I took right now a political compass test. It... did end up being fairly accurate, not going to lie. However, can we still trust them or not?

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yeah dude,you should not watch them if you think that,hell don't watch polictical stuff all. politics are a big toxic rabbit hole

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26 minutes ago, DSC said:

hateful cesspools and it ends up taking a big emotional toll on me? Am I wrong in disliking them and should I still not be a coward and force myself upon them while abandoning content that appeals more to me?

 

Lmao I had the same problems like, years ago. And the answer is no, don't watch it, time is precious and this is a huge waste of it. If it takes an emotional toll on you, maybe it's because you realize how dumb this content actually is yet you don't esteem yourself enough to look for more intelligent content.

Also the anti-SJW is full of fallacies so it will easily frustrate you if you're looking for answers, even if it's an answer to "Destroy-The-Left". For instance you can't make a sound argument for discussion of the 2A by asking what AR15 actually means. It's mostly blind suppression fire by forcing the opposing side to fact-check thousands of evidences which are suddenly being questioned, it's funnay for Youtube, but actually a long-term disaster for your own credibility and reputation. If you question Human Rights, Human Rights won't come to your side when you're tied and outnumbered.

Look for more intellectual content instead. When you'll have enough bagage to counter the fallacies on both sides, you'll realize they are not even worth responding and that they could be cast aside in ten minutes, but they don't deserve it because they are just background noise parroted by a powerless herd. If you didn't read Huxley's Brave New World in priority, if you really want to understand all sides and have a book which puts aside pure morality (and political puritanism), it should shake you up. Then read his Return to BNW, which is... chilling.

 

8 minutes ago, DSC said:

Also, just one more question... Just for the hell of it, I took right now a political compass test. It... did end up being fairly accurate, not going to lie. However, can we still trust them or not?

 

If you don't have a degree in Law or Political Science, it's just dumb fun :) You don't realize the consequences of what you wrote. Doing a bit of Law literally brought my worldview upside down even though I was studying the laws of my own country, which is a good indicator of how fucked up and decadent even the First World is.

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OP it sounds like you're getting tired of bias and spiteful political views.

 

SJWs and alt right individuals tend to be the loudest and most bias. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who is quite outspoken about ideologies and interested in shunning another probably isn't a reliable source of political opinion. You should watch that content purely as entertainment, basing any of your political views of sourcing is risky. If it's not fun to watch, then stop.

 

Somewhat out of topic, but I admire the Canadian Psychologist / University Professors Jordan Peterson. He doesn't like to align himself to any ideology and when he criticizes any political stances I find he does so logically and respectfully with no sign of personal bias beyond his belief about healthy minded happy people = healthy society.

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9 minutes ago, DSC said:

I took right now a political compass test. It... did end up being fairly accurate, not going to lie

 

I really wouldn't put much stock in that. Your politics are your own and no stupid test is ever going to be able to reflect your values accurately, especially when there was likely a few questions it asked that you didn't fully understand but had to pick an answer anyways. Just forget about dumb labels, your values are your own and just avoid the poisonous headache that is online politics.

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@DSC Correct me if im wrong but it almost seems that you look at these videos to challenge your own views or to hear the other side? If that is the case you are looking at the completely wrong types of videos. These anti-sjw videos, online debates etc doesn't really serve any purpose, instead you should be looking for actually respected political commentators from the opposing side in more neutral tone, if that makes sense.

 

also political compass tests are very hit and miss. Some of these tests are also extremely biased with their wording of questions. So don't put any informational value on them, they are nothing more than entertainment.

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It’s okay to not belong to any political or ideological club. Everyone else has already made enlightening points, but I want to state clearly that most political YouTubers and stuff, especially that are heavily focused on DrAmA and EpIc TaKeDowNs and all of that kind of crap, are just trying to indoctrinate you so that you “belong” to whatever little club they’re peddling. If you keep watching, they get more ad revenue, and maybe they even butter you up enough to sucker some donations out of you. That’s what most of those channels are really about. There are exceptions, but the “political outrage” is just a smokescreen to mask their true intent - fleecing you.

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50 minutes ago, DSC said:

but should I still watch those anti-SJW videos even if I think they are nothing but hateful cesspools and it ends up taking a big emotional toll on me? Am I wrong in disliking them and should I still not be a coward and force myself upon them while abandoning content that appeals more to me?

 

You realize they are garbage propaganda. You have no reason to watch them anymore. Time to find another thing to watch.

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OK, thanks everyone! The reason I asked this in the first place was because I was afraid going towards what I identify myself as would make me a coward and safe-space lover, but it seems that isn't the case... Thanks everyone! 

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It’s no problem, I think I get where you’re coming from. Political debates used to be very common here if you can believe it and I used to dive head first into those threads, but over time I just got sick of reading the same nonsensical crap over and over again boringly in those arguments, so I stopped participating in them. I wouldn’t take it away from anyone else if they like that sort of thing, I get that too, but personally I was just ready to leave it alone for a while. Feeling that way doesn’t make a person a “safe space lover”, it can often times just mean you need a break, or at least to invest less time and mental

energy to it. Don’t let such fleeting crap define you or have a large impact on how you feel

about yourself.

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You should never be afraid of asking anything. People who tell you otherwise aren't worth staying with in general.

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We wouldn't be much of a "community" if we weren't willing to help our fellow members out when they're concerned about something now, would we? ;^)

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SJWs and bigots are pretty much the same, in my book - people who tell you what's "right" to think or believe. And they're both full of shit.

 

The main problem is pretty simple: Some people just can't take it when others have views that don't align with their own. Won't forget that I had someone tell me, in a hypothetical scenario, that a man whose daughter becomes a porn star of her own volition - even if he raised her right, comfortably, and lovingly, and she simply chose to do that because that was the way she wanted to express herself - was a "failure of a father." I, instead, saw it as that while they might be their kid, that doesn't mean they hold absolute dominion over everything they ever do - especially if the daughter has moved out of the parent's household by that point.

 

Political correctness and cancel culture has gotten really insane, and everybody takes things far too damn seriously now for even the smallest of potential slights. Yes, there is definite good in trying to understand and accommodate people who are disadvantaged, LGBTQA, all sorts of racial and social injustices, and so on. But it starts crossing lines when these people will try to ruin the lives and careers of people who have a differing viewpoint of theirs. A recent example: Karen Strassman liking Trump's tweets. I don't like Trump either, and I think just about everything he says is odious and awful, but when you're that crass as to decide to try to destroy someone's life and career simply because they have a differing viewpoint, that's when things become bullshit, and you're not nearly as "liberal" as you claim you are, since last I checked, being liberal supposedly means liberty of choice. If you don't want to support the woman, her employers, and any products she's involved in, then feel free to not buy them - again, that's liberty! - but you don't need to go so far as to ruin people's lives and livelihoods simply because they don't agree with whatever side of the political spectrum you align on.

 

Personally, I think both parties are in for a reckoning. I wouldn't be surprised if the more extreme elements on both ends get kicked to the curbs and a new political party that's focused on centrism and cooperative government rises out of it. An effectively two-party system has run this country for almost the last 160 years, but it can't sustain itself if members of both parties just pick up their ball and go home anytime it's time to compromise with the other party in power.

 

You guys in Europe, where you've got collaborative governments, and most of your parties are actually pretty close to the center? You have no idea how fucking lucky you are and how much I as an American envy you right now.

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2 hours ago, seed said:

 

Both actually, the toxic connotation that the word has been getting as of late, as a supposed root of all evil, and how the original concept lost its meaning, where it's now used to denigrate certain groups of people.

Exactly, mainly white males. Regardless of how crappy that persons life might already be.

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39 minutes ago, Dark Pulse said:

You guys in Europe, where you've got collaborative governments, and most of your parties are actually pretty close to the center? You have no idea how fucking lucky you are and how much I as an American envy you right now.

 

It's all smoke and mirrors. They love to pass as the dignified player, but European societies are way too stratified and fragile to play with fire altright-style, but the altright is originally conceived and currently funded by France and Italy. Check out who the "Gramscians of the Right" are. There are so-called centrists right now using Mussolinian conceptions, French "moderate right" twitter accounts ranting about how the Algeria independence war should have been won, etc.

Given the fragility of the EU and the way states use it to leech each other, the lack of taboo about social revolutions, the constant social movements in Southern Europe and the highly syndicalized Northern Europe, dropping the act of moderation would be way too risky for the euro elites.

 

Given the fact that many "populists" from today passed as moderate when it was profitable to be moderate, and the end of the myth of the self-interested, reasonable man forming the moderate masses, the pillars of liberal democracy and capitalism got swept away by the very people who pretend to "save the West".

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9 minutes ago, Sunnyfruit said:

 

It's all smoke and mirrors. They love to pass as the dignified player, but European societies are way too stratified and fragile to play with fire altright-style, but the altright is originally conceived and currently funded by France and Italy. Check out who the "Gramscians of the Right" are. There are so-called centrists right now using Mussolinian conceptions, French "moderate right" twitter accounts ranting about how the Algeria independence war should have been won, etc.

Given the fragility of the EU and the way states use it to leech each other, the lack of taboo about social revolutions, the constant social movements in Southern Europe and the highly syndicalized Northern Europe, dropping the act of moderation would be way too risky for the euro elites.

 

Given the fact that many "populists" from today passed as moderate when it was profitable to be moderate, and the end of the myth of the self-interested, reasonable man forming the moderate masses, the pillars of liberal democracy and capitalism got swept away by the very people who pretend to "save the West".

Being a european myself, I totally agree.

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1 hour ago, Sunnyfruit said:

the fragility of the EU ... leech each other ... highly syndicalized Northern Europe ... the euro elites

 

This reads like some shitty 'alt right' bingo card.

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