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(diagonal) REALM [boom/single map]

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Liking the look of this from the screenshots. Just downloaded, I'll be giving this a spin ASAP. c:

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Looked very nice, a bit too slaughterish in HMP... I'll have to try to lower skill for my next play.

 

I think I found one issue with GZDooM 4.5.0. I was able to press the yellow card switch without the card from this angle:

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Review time! (Played on HNTR.)

 

Visually, it was overall quite nice. Texture usage appeared well thought-out, and the detail work was pleasant to look at. I wasn't a big fan of the gameplay initially - namely with the overabundance of Revenants early on - but it got a lot better once I got my bearings and scrounged up the SSG. My only major criticism is that the Chaingun made its first appearance way too late into the map - I went about half the map without it despite the amount of bullet ammo laying around clearly indicating that I should've gotten it much earlier (on HNTR anyway, I don't know if this is the case on other difficulties). I also somehow got softlocked in the final area right before the exit, as the teleporters that are supposed to teleport you to the switches that open the exit door (target tags 195 and 196) didn't work, even though they're seemingly set up correctly. This occurred on GZDoom 4.5.0. Barring that, the map worked normally.

 

Overall, not bad. :)

 

EDIT: I tested the same teleporters in GlBoom+ 2.5.1.4, didn't work on that port either.

 

EDIT 2: Just for fun, I cracked the map open in UDB and tried swapping the target tags around on the teleporter lines - that actually fixed the problem, curiously enough. Makes me wonder if it's a nodebuilding problem or a long-standing quirk of the Doom engine that never got fixed by any source port... Leaning towards the former scenario.

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I gave this try on UV in GZdoom 4.5.0, but I encountered a game-breaking bug regarding the door that is opened by 3 keycards: I entered the room, but I backed out when the revenants and mancubi appeared. After about 30 seconds, the door closed, with no way to reopen it. Also, there is HOM in the lava ceiling above the red skull key.

 

While the map is nicely designed, I wouldn't call the it very enjoyable, mainly because for some 80% of the playtime, it's endless SSG grind. Then you suddenly flood the player with rockets near the final fight, but they're quasi-useless because of all the pinkies there. So, even more SSG grind. Another thing that could be addressed is how the player obtains the SSG in the first place - I took a "wrong" turn and instead of getting the SSG, I was suddenly thrown into big fight around the yellow skull key with nothing but ordinay shotgun and chaingun. I didn't want to restart the map, so I used IDFA cheat to deal with all the monsters there.

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23 minutes ago, Caleb13 said:

I was suddenly thrown into big fight around the yellow skull key with nothing but ordinay shotgun and chaingun.

As far as I remember and if I remember that correctly, in the yellow skull area there's a rocket laucher in a small nukage pool

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Thanks everyone for your opinion and playtesting. I've updated file in the OP, link is the same.

 

10 hours ago, SP_FACE1 said:

I was able to press the yellow card switch without the card from this angl

Haha, did not expect that to be happen, thanks for catching that, fixed.

 

8 hours ago, MFG38 said:

nodebuilding problem or a long-standing quirk of the Doom engin

You dug too deep. Problem is really dumb - teleport destination don't have flag to spawn on easy. xD

 

8 hours ago, Caleb13 said:

After about 30 seconds, the door closed, with no way to reopen it

Thanks, fixed.

 

8 hours ago, Caleb13 said:

with nothing but ordinay shotgun and chaingun

In my defence i should say that there is a rocketlauncher, near the entrance.

8 hours ago, Caleb13 said:

I took a "wrong" turn and instead of getting the SSG

Let me guess: you took right turn through the room, where floor suddenly lowers? There is a SSG in monster closet, maybe you just missed it.

8 hours ago, Caleb13 said:

Also, there is HOM in the lava ceiling above the red skull key.

Nah, this particualr HOM is intentional. Something like hellish beacon for the red key.

 

Anyway i've placed a few spare ssg's and chainguns on the map, so if you somehow miss weapons near the starting area you could get them later.

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Using vanilla textures and making them look good? Now that's something! Really nice map @4MaTC From gameplay to the visuals, everything is really solid and great to play.

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I've updated the map:

-slightly changed balance on uv

-added stairs for monsters to come in near red keycard

-swapped keys needed at weapon stash near final battle

-fixed tags in slime pools in storage area

-some minor bugs fixed

 

I think this is the 'release' version and there will be no updates in future, unless someone catches some nasty bug that i missed.

 

> > download < <

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Played this trough this time on HMP. I don't know if you balanced it from the very first version but the fights felt less slaughterish now. On my first run I probably only saw 20% of the map but now that I played the whole level there's so much more and the areas are nicely interconnected. I'm loving what you have achieved with just vanilla textures and detailing. Hopefully more people will play this because this is fantastic map. 

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I am absolutely awful at these but practice makes perfect. I love how beautifully-interconnected everything is and I never felt lost. My overall lack of experience with slaughtermaps makes me feel inadequate to talk about the combat too much beyond the fact that it never felt too unfair to me, like it didn't feel like you were being relentlessly cruel as you balanced it with plenty of plentiful yet somehow also limited ammunition which was an interesting dynamic. It was hard and exhausting and I did lose my temper a little near the end, but regardless this is a really good map with a lot of heart and effort put into it. Incredible work, man.

 

 

I'll let my footage speak for itself: A feature-length presentation of me being a goofball. Enjoy!

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Still trying to play through it and UV is a bitch. Every room I run into for safety is just more demons thrown at me. I will say, visuals are pretty impressive and the diagonal lines help make the environment look more foreign. 

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Played it and loved it. The fight for the yellow skull key was especially awesome. Only major problem is I got completely stuck in the red key card section. I completed everything in the area but the door back wouldn't budge.

 

I looked at it in the editor and turns out it's impossible to open because there's a linedef with an action directly in front of it. In boom you can't "reach past" linedefs with actions on them to activate another linedef. There's also a small bug at the end where you can press the blue skull and red skull swtches from below, before the yellow skull switch, and the pillars get stuck.

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Thanks everyone for your kind words, i am very very happy that you liked it!

 

11 hours ago, Biodegradable said:

I am absolutely awful at these but practice makes perfect.

I hope this map improved your overall skills and you will be able to play other beautiful slaughter maps! Thanks for the video, really amusing (i even got to work late because i was watching it, hehe). This imp and your swearing made me laugh xD Really enjoyable accent you have (australian, i presume?)

 

3 hours ago, Arbys550 said:

Only major problem is I got completely stuck in the red key card section. I completed everything in the area but the door back wouldn't budge.

Dammit! Thanks for spotting this. You fix one bug then another ones comes out xD i should fix this asap. I hope you idclipped this door and continued playing? If no, nvm, my bad missing this.

 

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