Political Affiliation

[Penguin]

what political party (if any) do you affiliate yourself with? or better yet... what is your general political philosophy? if you're not too sure the libertarian's website has a decent, quick poll... post your results if you feel like it

http://www.lp.org/quiz/

dammit, i forgot to add the poll-- excuse me while i bang my head on the desk

if anybody cares, i'd consider myself a liberal... but not what most people think of when they hear liberal, i think the democratic party is generally spineless (why are the dems consider liberals when a lot of them are rather conservative?)

my results:

Your Personal Self-Government Score is 80%.
Your Economic Self-Government Score is 20%

[Darkstalker]

Hmm, I'm placed in the top-right corner of the centrist. Nice test.

Your Personal Self-Government Score is 50%.
Your Economic Self-Government Score is 80%.

[FirebrandX]

it scored me as a left-liberal, yet I can't stand liberals. The test is a little too short to be honest. I consider myself more a Bill O'Reilly type. In other words, I'm in the middle.

[Grazza]

Your Personal Self-Government Score is 60%.
Your Economic Self-Government Score is 60%.
It claimed I was centrist veering towards libertarian. Hmm.

Overall I'm somewhat right of centre (by British standards, at least), though on some issues (not major economic ones) I am very much not right of centre (can't quite bring myself to say "left").

I tend to vote Conservative (with serious misgivings). If I were American I'd probably vote Democrat (also with serious misgivings).

[Remilia Scarlet]

Your Personal Self-Government Score is 60%.
Your Economic Self-Government Score is 40%.
I'm centrist, and my dot is in the left corner near "Left Liberal".

When I renewed my drivers license last time, I was asked if I wanted to become a registered voter. I said "Sure, why not", and signed myself up as a democrat for right now. I don't want to vote, really, so I don't know why I did. When I move to Japan, I'll probably be on either the Liberal Democratic party, or the Japanese Communist party, since I will vote there.

[DOOM Anomaly]

hmmm...


Your Personal Self-Government Score is 70%.
Your Economic Self-Government Score is 50%.

[Fredrik]

politicalcompass.org

Economic left/Right: -6.62
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -8.41

[FirebrandX]

As I predicted, the longer test found on politicalcompass.org more accurately ranked me as a Libertarian.

Econimic left/right: -0.12

Authoritarian/Libertarian: -1.79


I do have problems with some of the statements though:

"I'd always support my country, whether it was right or wrong."

This is ambiguous because it does not specify in who's mind the country is right or wrong. What if someone else thought my country was wrong, but I thought it was right? If it implies your own view, then you would be evil to agree with it. If it implies someone else's view, then you would be a fool to disagree with it. You cannot measure someone's political view with this, because you don't know which aspect they are looking at it from.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Again, too ambiguous. What if it just so turns out that you have 2 different enemies, who happen to also be enemies with each other? The way the statement is written, you cannot answer yes or no without looking foolish because there is always a dynamic aspect to this situation that can go the other way.

"Abstract art that doesn't represent anything shouldn't be considered art at all."

Another misleading statement. It states that something is considered abstract art at the beginning and then tries to define it as non-representative. That's impossible and is contrary to the first 2 words of the statement. If you agree with the statement, then you disregard the "abstract art" fact. If you disagree with the statement, then you disregard the "doesn't represent anything" fact. The question is a paradox and nullifies its own worth.



Despite these bad statements, I felt the test was more accurate overall.

[NiGHTMARE]

The short one:

Personal Self-Government Score 80%
Economic Self-Government Score 80%

In other words, exactly in the centre of libertarian.

The longer one:

Economic Left/Right: -3.50
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.59

Almost in the centre of Libertarian/left-wing

[Little Faith]

Personal self-government score: 100%

Economic self-government score: 10% (I'm somewhat unsure on the matter of governmental support of industry and agriculture. Sometimes it can be right enough to prevent socio-economic disasters, but the present policies of the EU on the agricultural field is hideous since it doesn't allow 3rd world countries to compete.

When we are forcing the whole world to adopt free-market we should also attempt to level the economical playing field so the free market model could actually work out for them.


Yep, I'm red and I'm proud.

[fodders]

Conservative

[Lord FlatHead]

Left-liberal. I'll be damned.

[Epyo]

Centrist. Does that mean I don't care?

[Little Faith]

Not necessarily.


You might find many who would group on the outer fringes of this survey but in reality really doesn't care.

[Katarhyne]

Libertarian 36.6%
Left-liberal 18.2%
Centrist 29.9%
Right-Conservative 7.2%
Authoritarian 8.2%

Heh.

[Penguin]

thanks for your replies

Katarhyne - you posted the actual results from everybody whose taken the test. i made the same mistake on another forum

FirebrandX - imho, if you consider yourself an O'Reilly type that would make you pretty damn conservative (it's strange how people don't realize how conservative fox-news is)

here's my political compass:

Economic Left/Right: -6.12
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -6.67

[myk]

FirebrandX said:

"Abstract art that doesn't represent anything shouldn't be considered art at all."

Another misleading statement. It states that something is considered abstract art at the beginning and then tries to define it as non-representative. That's impossible and is contrary to the first 2 words of the statement. If you agree with the statement, then you disregard the "abstract art" fact. If you disagree with the statement, then you disregard the "doesn't represent anything" fact. The question is a paradox and nullifies its own worth.

You're wrong there, as "abstract art" is just differentiating it from more functional crafts (some forms of entertainmet, carpentry, and so on.) Some forms of abstract art are considered more or less representative (of ideas or things) while others tend to be taken as extremely abstract.

In my case, using the test Fredrik linked:

Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.38

[Katarhyne]

I'm aware, Penguin. I wasn't posting my own results, I was showing amusement at the final results.

If someone is interested in my results, I was 80/70.

I took the longer test, as well. I don't feel it's very accurate, as I have some ideas that are radically left, radically authoritarian, radically right, and radically libertarian. I just don't fit in.

Economic Left/Right: -1.38
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -2.05

[pritch]

Centrist, which is bollocks as I'm a right-wing member of the Tory party.

[IMJack]

Economic Left/Right: -4.88
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -5.28

I'm moderately more anarchistic than Ghandi. Kewl.

[Grazza]

Economic Left/Right: 1.50
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -4.15

I found it a bit of a joke though. For most of the questions I was tossing a coin between Agree and Disagree, and my real answer would have been "It depends", "That's an oversimplification" or "You're loading the question too much".

Anyway, of the British politicians, it put me closest to Charles Kennedy, which is definitely ridiculous!

I think both these have been skewed quite a lot by the legalizing drugs issue. I favour legalizing drugs, but for law and order reasons rather than libertarian ones.

[Little Faith]

Yepz0r!

Legal drugs means more money to the government and less money to the mob (and the terrorists).

[gatewatcher]

Economic Left/Right: 2.75
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -2.46

[m0l0t0v]

Your Personal Self-Government Score is 80%.
Your Economic Self-Government Score is 0%.

Wow, according to this test I`m part of the Left-Liberals...

That`s like on the left side of the right spectrum of politics...
Haven`t these people heard of of "true Leftists" yet;

For a socialist test go HERE. Find out what kind of socialist you are!

I turned out to be a Democratic Socialist...

[Sephiroth]

personaly i am more with the solicalist party

[Wobbo]

Im an anarchist or as they say liberatrian socialist

therefore i dont beleive in political parties, only direct action

[FirebrandX]

Penguin said:

FirebrandX - imho, if you consider yourself an O'Reilly type that would make you pretty damn conservative (it's strange how people don't realize how conservative fox-news is)

Spoken like a true liberal. I've seen Bill bust republican chops on many occasions. The problem is that liberals don't notice because they are too busy hating him for busting liberal chops. Go figure...

myk said:

You're wrong there, as "abstract art" is just differentiating it from more functional crafts (some forms of entertainmet, carpentry, and so on.) Some forms of abstract art are considered more or less representative (of ideas or things) while others tend to be taken as extremely abstract.

I disagree. Art is a subject you cannot be "right" or "wrong" about, which is my whole point. It is purely subjective in everyone's view, so it's not a very good statement to try and define someone's political view. Like Grazza said, I found myself struggling to answer most of the questions because it doesn't let you clarify your reasoning.

[myk]

No, you're still wrong, because what you didn't understand and now refuse to understand is what the words meant on that question, not the nature of abstract art. The question is pretty clear, it asks whether or not art that is defined as (or attempts to be) something that defines itself, as opposed to being something in relation to something else, can truly be considered art. Of course each and every question in the test can be doubted on, since no such questions by themselves can define a political position, but that question is as valid as many of the others, especially in defining the authoritarian/liberal pole. Plus abstract art is more "opinion" based than many other disciplines only inasmuch as it is defined by its practitioners, but it isn't what you are saying. If a person doesn't have a clue about a certain form of art, his or her opinion isn't any more valid that the opinion of someone who doesn't know about some other discipline.

Finally (in relation to what Grazza said), supposed political reasoning and consciousness do not necessarily define political positions. Someone might say they belong to a certain party, might feel identified with someone or some cause, but that doesn't determine that this person will be functionally furthering those interests.

There might be some flaws in the test, but I'm pretty sure that it gives a better idea of our political positions than the mere opinion we have about it, in many cases.

[Fletcher`]

Political party? Alien. :P

Ok, I'm a left centerist. (Whatever that is)