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Massive Fallout Mod Frontier Releases and Disappears Again

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4 minutes ago, ketmar said:

so, soldiers are bad people and criminals? or this is something that is not set in stone, and sometimes killing is ok, because you were commanded to do so, and you've been told that those you have to kill are not innocent people?

 

The military is about discipline. You learn to obey orders unconditionally. Not that I agree with that, but it makes things a lot more efficient. Unfortunately, it also means "things" can be anything, unchecked.

 

When the matter is national defense, you have to kill the invaders - there's no other choice. It's not right to kill, but it is better than just letting them take your stuff and your lands and coalesce your territory into theirs. Soldiers are motivated to protect their homeland. War is not ideal, but is sadly inevitable; that is how human nature works.

 

This is completely unrelated, though. Please focus on the actual subject here.

 

2 minutes ago, Sergeant_Mark_IV said:


If they kill innocent people, then yes. This is called a war crime, you know.


Look, not to discredit the Geneva convention or anything, but usually military orders are to be followed even if they include war crimes. That's how military discipline works. Granted, some legislations nowadays make it possible to disregard orders and even rat out on officials, if they include anything illegal, whether locally or internationally.

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2 minutes ago, Sergeant_Mark_IV said:

If they kill innocent people, then yes. This is called a war crime, you know.

and how to differentiate the innocent from the others? somebody's working on a factory, producing ammo for your enemies. is killing him a right thing? is he innocent, or he's helping bad guys, and so you can kill him? what if he has no other choice -- either work, or be killed? what if he wholeheartedly believes that this is YOU who is guilty of everything? where is the dividing line?

 

there is no such thing as "set in stone ethics". one cannot simply say that "all people who drawing furry porn are bad and should be punished", because such broad things can work in unexpected ways.

 

5 minutes ago, Gustavo6046 said:

This is completely unrelated, though. Please focus on the actual subject here.

it is still related, i believe, because it is still about not judging all people based on something that is "common knowledge". that's the main cause of "lynching mobs".

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4 minutes ago, ketmar said:

and how to differentiate the innocent from the others? somebody's working on a factory, producing ammo for your enemies. is killing him a right thing? is he innocent, or he's helping bad guys, and so you can kill him? what if he has no other choice -- either work, or be killed? what if he wholeheartedly believes that this is YOU who is guilty of everything? where is the dividing line?

 

there is no such thing as "set in stone ethics". one cannot simply say that "all people who drawing furry porn are bad and should be punished", because such broad things can work in unexpected ways.

 

it is still related, i believe, because it is still about not judging all people based on something that is "common knowledge". that's the main cause of "lynching mobs".


You are comparing a nation being threatened by an external enemy and people literally having to act under the threat of being killed to a person who masturbates looking at pictures of minors.
I believe you may be going way too far with these mental gymnastics and you need to take a break.

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3 minutes ago, Sergeant_Mark_IV said:

You are comparing a nation being threatened by an external enemy and people literally having to act under the threat of being killed to a person who masturbates looking at pictures of minors.

...and it is still about ethics, because ethics touches alot of things. "don't lie. don't harm other people." all that. it is still about personal believes, personal responsibility, and pesonal choices.

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6 minutes ago, Sergeant_Mark_IV said:

You are comparing a nation being threatened by an external enemy and people literally having to act under the threat of being killed to a person who masturbates looking at pictures of minors.


I believe you may be going way too far with these mental gymnastics and you need to take a break.

 

Hahaha, yeah ketmar goes in some wild tangents sometimes, and that coming from me. Hush guys, I'm the Tangent King here, you can't steal my throne!

 

But yeah. I'd probably just have given you a green reaction if Ling didn't set the daily limit so freaking low.

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26 minutes ago, ketmar said:

...and it is still about ethics, because ethics touches alot of things. "don't lie. don't harm other people." all that. it is still about personal believes, personal responsibility, and pesonal choices.


No, it's not. It's a really out of touch comparison.

The soldier and the ammunitions factory worker have their lives under immediate, certain threat, both from an enemy nation and theirs. They are blinded by the fog of war and unable to draw conclusions about their enemy themselves, they can only rely on the vision of the authorities or fellow soldiers. They have however, historical information about past wars and knows that in most cases, the defeated nations are pillaged, raped, and exterminated. And they know this might be coming to them, so they must act against it. They are not given any chances to stop and think about what they are doing and are doing so for self-preservation. Sometimes out of anger and will to revenge fellow dead soldiers. Exceptions to the rule may exist, there are always the sadistics and nationalists, but they are exceptions. The majority has to throw away their ethics in order to survive.

The pedo is not under immediate threat (actually his actions will put him under threat). Nobody is forcing him to do what he does. He was raised in a society that largely documented and discussed how harmful sexual intercourse between an adult and a child can be. There is no force driving him into doing it other than his own free will. He had every opportunity to cease his behavior. He is not revenging anybody. He is not angry. He is not in fear. He is enjoying what he is doing. You can try to prove me wrong, but I don't see exceptions.

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i still can't get why you're talking about "exceptions for sexual perversions", while i am talking about personal responsibility, and judging people on the actual harm they did, not on the possible harm they may do.

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1 minute ago, Sergeant_Mark_IV said:

I still can't get why you are comparing wars to grown men wanting to get into children's pants

like... where? aren't we're talking about sex and violence, and how one thing is publicly acceptable, and the other isn't?

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4 minutes ago, ketmar said:

like... where? aren't we're talking about sex and violence, and how one thing is publicly acceptable, and the other isn't?


Are you losing your train of thought?
You started talking about this here:

1 hour ago, ketmar said:

so, soldiers are bad people and criminals? or this is something that is not set in stone, and sometimes killing is ok, because you were commanded to do so, and you've been told that those you have to kill are not innocent people?

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2 minutes ago, Sergeant_Mark_IV said:

You started talking about this here:

now, please, quote me where i was comparing that to pedos, not to the whole sex issue. and check, please, who brought pedos on the table each time, in almost each reply.

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10 minutes ago, ketmar said:

now, please, quote me where i was comparing that to pedos, not to the whole sex issue. and check, please, who brought pedos on the table each time, in almost each reply.


Come on, the whole thread was about sexual arousal of children and how this is wrong, then you started the whole talk about soldiers and factory workers.
I'm tired. I'm out. I gotta eat.

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4 minutes ago, Sergeant_Mark_IV said:

hen you started the whole talk about soldiers and factory workers.

to ask if killing people is "universally bad", as you said. and it seems that nope, it is not so. it was easier to show this particular thing with a concrete example. yet it still relates to "set in stone things", ethics, and personal responsibility, and to the whole talk about sex and violence.

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1 hour ago, ketmar said:

somebody's working on a factory, producing ammo for your enemies. is killing him a right thing?

If you kill him by bombing the ammo factory, and he happens to be inside when it gets blown up, then it's okay as far as the laws of warfare are concerned. The target is the factory, he just happens to be collateral damage. If you kill him by stalking him into his house, then assassinating him there, it's a crime. It's not that complicated.

 

And again, violence and sexuality are always treated differently. Always. You've got a Veteran Day to celebrate the armed forces, you don't get a Venerian Day to celebrate the sex workers.

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5 minutes ago, Gez said:

You've got a Veteran Day to celebrate the armed forces, you don't get a Venerian Day to celebrate the sex workers.

which is, i think, absolutely unfair.

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2 minutes ago, ketmar said:

which is, i think, absolutely unfair.


Well, we have now LGBT+ days, even a month.

Maybe a day to celebrate "normal" sex work help to that. My take it's thats 14 feb.

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7 minutes ago, Boomdav said:

even if we debate this subject,the writing of this mod is still crap.

absolutely. it is bad, characters are flat, the choices are done badly, and it is far below even the "average" level, as for me.

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The one good thing is the ability to drive vehicles.Props to the team who coded the vehicles.Also did you guys know that there are stolen Doom 3 assets?

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4 minutes ago, Boomdav said:

Also did you guys know that there are stolen Doom 3 assets?

i didn't knew that, but i won't be surprised if it is really so. and not only D3. let's face it: the mod is not a masterpiece, by no means it is. and considering the High Responsibility of the team... we can expect alot of wonders there! ;-)

 

p.s.: can you give some prooflinks to that? i really want to watch it!

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1 hour ago, Boomdav said:

even if we debate this subject,the writing of this mod is still crap.

 

What level of crap are we talking about here?

 

I hear Fallout 3 has a pretty bad reputation in that regard.

 

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8 hours ago, jamondemarnatural said:

Maybe a day to celebrate "normal" sex work help to that. My take it's thats 14 feb.

 

I think that that has been discussed already. tl;dr it's the same reason people talk about reverse racism not existing, and I'm not gonna get into that here.

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13 hours ago, Rudolph said:

What level of crap are we talking about here?

 

I hear Fallout 3 has a pretty bad reputation in that regard.

 

Like Hunt Down the Freeman style of shit here, the NCR campaign alone is basically a hodge podge of several games and movies rolled into a blender and thrown out in a completely nonsensical manner (from CoD and Dead Space, to Wolfenstein:New Order and Metal Gear Solid)

At the end of the day a lot of the team are to blame for this complete shitstorm especially the lead developer who clearly had no control whatsoever on his project and let it mutate into a complete monstrosity for over 7 years.

Heres a video showing a lot of its awfulness...

 

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On 1/28/2021 at 10:30 PM, Stahp said:

This is the same thing as Frontier, the creator was an awful person, but the art itself is high quality and pretty decent

Point is valid, although many people despise art of bad person on par with him just due the fact he have done this piece.

It's a big deal for some, including me. I can't say that I'm horrible person (nor prove I'm good one but I stay on lawful evil side anyway), but I create from my soul for people, and some people still tend to threaten me as an asshole and shit over my drawing.

That's not cool, man.

And I'd add another example. One famous Adolph, that was a Devil in disguise but his paintings of architecture and city space were quite good for his time nothenless. Art leaves along with it's creator and, supposedly, should not be touched by his reputation alone but, as we can see through history, it never have been that way.

For most of the people if anyone is a bad person that means his art (if he doing any) is bad too.

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2 hours ago, vinnie245 said:

video


This looks like a wild fever dream.
One can argue the writing is shit, but it's shit in an amazing way. Like, in a  "Tails Gets Trolled" way.

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4 hours ago, vinnie245 said:

Like Hunt Down the Freeman style of shit here, the NCR campaign alone is basically a hodge podge of several games and movies rolled into a blender and thrown out in a completely nonsensical manner (from CoD and Dead Space, to Wolfenstein: New Order and Metal Gear Solid)

At the end of the day a lot of the team are to blame for this complete shitstorm especially the lead developer who clearly had no control whatsoever on his project and let it mutate into a complete monstrosity for over 7 years.

...Oh my. I guess the pedophiliac content is the least of the game's problems after all.

 

But unlike Hunt Down The Freeman, at least, it is free, no?

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What's much worse than anything in the mod is the dozens of vultures on Youtube that are trying to profit off it by being as negative as possible, and holding a free mod to the standards of AAA product. There is no reason to be this obsessed with it, other than maybe if you get off to pointless drama.

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8 minutes ago, Doom64hunter said:

There is no reason to be this obsessed with it, other than maybe if you get off to pointless drama.

 

Welcome to the internet.

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