Metallica get a taste of their own medicine at Blizzcon

[[McD] James]

I've been a longtime fan of Metallica, but they 100% deserve this.

 

 

[Doom_Dude]

Haha! I love me some Metallica...

 

NAPSTER BAD!

 

 

 

Edited February 20, 2021 by Doom_Dude

[lazygecko]

I honestly can't even lay much blame on Metallica for the current state of affairs which would have 100% happened without them. The root of the problem is the corporate culture not just within the record industry but also among these media platforms who are allergic to dealing with copyright issues manually on a sensible case by case basis, and instead just create these fundamentally broken dystopian algorithms to automate everything even when 99% of these cases would not even hold up if actually taken to court.

[seed]

29 minutes ago, lazygecko said:

I honestly can't even lay much blame on Metallica for the current state of affairs which would have 100% happened without them. The root of the problem is the corporate culture not just within the record industry but also among these media platforms who are allergic to dealing with copyright issues manually on a sensible case by case basis, and instead just create these fundamentally broken dystopian algorithms to automate everything even when 99% of these cases would not even hold up if actually taken to court.

 

Yeah, my thoughts exactly.

 

I've noticed for some time now that DMCA claims, channels getting shut down, and similar things are intensifying, Twitch following suit and seemingly taking more aggressive measures too.

 

Something needs to be done about this, this rollercoaster started around 2013-2014 and it's been getting only gradually worse, to the point every platform is now afraid of copyright issues.

[lazygecko]

The whole overarching issue right now is a convoluted mess of archaic copyright laws, the shortsighted ageing dinosaurs that are the legacy record industry, and the complete lack of responsibility + algorithm-driven hubris of the social media companies, all feeding into eachother to enable a broken system ripe with abuse, and even going so far as to birth a new cottage industry of copyright trolling from what I've heard.

 

The ideal fix as far as I'm concerned is to implement an actually functioning royalty system that can redistribute revenue in proportion to what is being streamed. Ie basically the same as traditional broadcast radio. Radio stations and record companies already wrestled with these kinds of issues in the early 20th century and there were some growing pains (for a time US channels would just stop broadcasting music owned by the domestic labels to not deal with the legal stuff), but they did eventually work out the kinks and come to a mutually beneficial solution for all parties and there's absolutely no reason this shouldn't happen again.

 

I think the first step really needs to be some new type of sweeping legislation that really puts the fire under the asses of the social media companies and make either them or the accusing party liable for penalties for false positives/malicious copyright trolling. EU managed to pull off something of this scope with GDPR and we really need some sort of equivalent for this.

[Nevander]

They did not deserve that, actually. No band deserves that. Napster was an illegal music sharing site. Twitch is a live broadcasting platform and they the band themselves were performing. Not even the same thing and the fact that the latter was muted is a disgrace to the band.

[Dubbag]

They did not deserve that. This is a case of the DMCA being completely ridiculous and swallowing their own tail like a snake devouring itself. It gotten so out of control that a band can't even play their own shows anymore. The Napster thing was a completely legitimate gripe. As a musician myself who's tried to get a career off the ground for 10 years and has had my own music stolen and plagiarized, it will anger you beyond belief so I understand their anger for that. If you are a fan of a band you support them, plain and simple. Not everyone's rich and can afford to buy the albums they love, I get that. But you can't blame an  artist for getting upset about it. This Twitch thing on the other hand and Metallica themselves, are not related at all. I get the irony of it all but its actually a case of self destruction on Twitches part, cause this whole thing  is absolute horse shit. If I was Metallica I'd be suing the crap out of them and would probably still lose. This world is so ass backwards these days I just fucking can't anymore.

 

Edited February 20, 2021 by Dubbagdarrel

[Murdoch]

2 hours ago, lazygecko said:

I honestly can't even lay much blame on Metallica for the current state of affairs which would have 100% happened without them. The root of the problem is the corporate culture not just within the record industry but also among these media platforms who are allergic to dealing with copyright issues manually on a sensible case by case basis, and instead just create these fundamentally broken dystopian algorithms to automate everything even when 99% of these cases would not even hold up if actually taken to court.

 

Agreed. How the hell are people still banging on about Napster? It was what, 15 plus years ago? Napster clearly was intended to facilitate illegal activity and sucked. Get over it.

[AtticTelephone]

I used to like Metallica, but then I got bored of them. Funny how this happens to them, not much else to say.

[[McD] James]

I never really had any issue with Metallica suing Napster, but the way in which they went after their own fans was offputting to most of us that supported buying their albums over the years, especially since they were hitherto all in favor of bootleg recordings and tape trading. When I played guitar for a punk rock group, I would have been thrilled to know that people were actively seeking out my shitty music. The thought of ever making money off of it was entirely inconceivable to me. 

 

And even though it was two years after the inception of the DMCA, the 2000 Napster lawsuit helped to strengthen the DMCA which Metallica themselves utilized in the lawsuit. So yes, to some extent Metallica did play a part in what happened to them at Blizzcon. 

Edited February 20, 2021 by [McD]James

[Stupid Bunny]

3 hours ago, Doom_Dude said:

Haha! I love me some Metallica...

 

NAPSTER BAD!

 

 

I hadn't ever seen this before but in style and humor it just screams early-'00s Flash animation

 

Since we're talking about Metallica and Napster I expect to see a lot more memz of the same vintage

[cybdmn]

2 hours ago, lazygecko said:

EU managed to pull off something of this scope with GDPR and we really need some sort of equivalent for this.

 

GDPR has nothing to do with copyright. And the situation regarding copyright etc. is just as fucked up in the EU as in the US. For example, here in germany there is a general fee on every printer and every scanner, every CD/DVD burner, every usb stick, and so on, you buy , which goes to copyright collectives just because you possibly could copy copyrighted material.

[seed]

20 minutes ago, cybdmn said:

For example, here in germany there is a general fee on every printer and every scanner, every CD/DVD burner, every usb stick, and so on, you buy , which goes to copyright collectives just because you possibly could copy copyrighted material.

 

Is that all there is to it, or more than meets the eye?

 

This sounds stupid beyond belief if true.

[Doom_Dude]

1 hour ago, StupidBunny said:

 

I hadn't ever seen this before but in style and humor it just screams early-'00s Flash animation

 

Since we're talking about Metallica and Napster I expect to see a lot more memz of the same vintage

 

Yeah, it's certainly an early Flash animation from the olde defunct CampCaos site.

[Doomkid]

This is kinda funny and sad at the same time. Also Memeology 101 is a shithole of a channel 🤮

[[McD] James]

9 minutes ago, Doomkid said:

This is kinda funny and sad at the same time. Also Memeology 101 is a shithole of a channel 🤮

 

I didn't really know anything about the channel, but after skimming through some of their other videos, yeah, I completely agree. 

[Maximum Matt]

Does it make me a sad 'Tallica tragic to say that even without sound, I can totally tell that they're playing For Whom The Bell Tolls?

[cybdmn]

1 hour ago, seed said:

 

Is that all there is to it, or more than meets the eye?

 

This sounds stupid beyond belief if true.

 

There is much more to it, and many of that is in fact stupid beyond belief. Just read that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEMA_(German_organization)

 

And that article just covers one of multiple copyright collectives, there is VG Wort, they cover mostly printed stuff like books, there is the GÜFA, mostly covers movie stuff, especially porn (no joke), and various others. And every single of them constantly bugging the government for new laws for protecting their client (meaning. more opportunities to collect some money) through lobbyists.

 

And that shit is happening across europe.

[⇛Marnetmar⇛]

This is actually a pretty great performance ngl and whoever mixed it needs a raise

 

 

[pilottobombadier]

I dislike Metallica, but if neither they nor their management interfered, this is bullshit.

 

I would not call this irony so much as a warning concerning digital rights.  As others have pointed out, this is indicating that they're getting way out of hand.

 

Regarding Napster, as much as I loved that platform, Metallica was one of the few artists in that case that were in the right.  Completely.

 

Their freedom as artists (never mind a business and a brand) was literally threatened when someone took their unreleased song and put it on there.

 

Even if they were fucking douchebags about it (and they were), I side with them on this, and I really think anyone ragging on them about it needs to recheck their priorities.

[lazygecko]

3 hours ago, cybdmn said:

 

GDPR has nothing to do with copyright. And the situation regarding copyright etc. is just as fucked up in the EU as in the US. For example, here in germany there is a general fee on every printer and every scanner, every CD/DVD burner, every usb stick, and so on, you buy , which goes to copyright collectives just because you possibly could copy copyrighted material.

 

That's not what I meant. The thing with GDPR was that the data privacy legislation finally had a sweeping very material effect in making corporations get off their asses in a meaningful way worldwide. No empty PR platitudes. They actually started doing what they were obligated to do under the threat of severe fines if they don't behave and keep acting maliciously.

[VoanHead]

2 hours ago, Doomkid said:

This is kinda funny and sad at the same time. Also Memeology 101 is a shithole of a channel 🤮

The comments section is an absolute cesspool. You know it's especially bad when Memeology himself pins a comment that tries to criticize him just so his commentators can single that person out and put them on blast. He's all for "freedom of speech" and for everyone to have a voice on their own opinion yet he does shit like this.

[Gokuma]

Yeah Corporate Metal!   All riffs approved by the board of directors.   Back to the Meeting!  Back to the Meeting! (whatever that song on the black album is)

[printz]

7 hours ago, seed said:

 

Is that all there is to it, or more than meets the eye?

 

This sounds stupid beyond belief if true.

I would say it's a fair safety net to compensate authors and artists for any future losses caused by widespread unlicensed copying -- provided they do get that tax money. Trouble is that by now the copying media is cloud storage, 100% digital. Tax that too? Add taxes to the ISP subscriptions?

[Kokoro Hane]

Honestly, this is kind of terrifying. I'm just shocked that they would have been dubbed over when they chose to play on an official stream. I mean, I guess it's kind of hilarious, but it's mostly scary because this just proves how out of hand DMCA claims have gotten if a platform is frightened of an official stream.

[DooM Bear]

Fucking LOL XD

 

Hopefully this is the wake up call people need to show them exactly how completely out of hand this shit has gotten and how broken the DMCA is XD

[seed]

2 hours ago, printz said:

I would say it's a fair safety net to compensate authors and artists for any future losses caused by widespread unlicensed copying -- provided they do get that tax money. Trouble is that by now the copying media is cloud storage, 100% digital. Tax that too? Add taxes to the ISP subscriptions?

 

If the rollercoaster doesn't stop soon enough, I would not be too surprised we're going to see more and more extreme measures taken, to the point everything may just as well be copyrighted.

 

8 hours ago, cybdmn said:

And that article just covers one of multiple copyright collectives, there is VG Wort, they cover mostly printed stuff like books, there is the GÜFA, mostly covers movie stuff, especially porn (no joke), and various others. And every single of them constantly bugging the government for new laws for protecting their client (meaning. more opportunities to collect some money) through lobbyists.

 

And that shit is happening across europe.

 

Just read that, and I don't even know what to think of it, it was... overwhelming.

 

The fact that they also have a distinction between pop and "serious music" was even more ludicrous.

[intacowetrust]

5 hours ago, Gokuma said:

Yeah Corporate Metal!   All riffs approved by the board of directors.   Back to the Meeting!  Back to the Meeting! (whatever that song on the black album is)

 

Lol... I don't think I can unhear this now that I've heard it. The song you're referring to is "Of Wolf and Man":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEDKcEPDQO4

[Bucket]

Fans first suspected something was wrong when it sounded like Lars was keeping rhythm.

[Azuris]

LOL

 

That is just a big LOL