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Conspiracy Theorists Make My Brain Hurt

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Yes. We live in a post-truth era, and it will lead to the end of civilization.

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I personally don't like conspirancy theories, I find them stupid.

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I think it's hilarious to see Flat-Earthers offended by Hollow Earth Theory, but then get totally schooled by Hollow Earth Theorists.

 

I don't believe in Hollow Earth but it's at least interesting.   I wouldn't deny there's more subterranean architecture and/or more to Antarctica than we know of.   I'm not saying there actually is though.

 

The original Journey to the Center of the Earth is a freaking great classic movie.   The new one's a bit entertaining but too much kiddified and CGI BS.   Haven't read Jules Vern's book yet.

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39 minutes ago, Doomkid said:

they're just a dirty no-good communist

Problem isn't that people being no-good communist.

You can be happy being communist.

Problem is people think being communist is bad.

And that way back to the fosil era.

That comes from the industrial revolution and the raise of the burgoise.

The crisis of fin de sicle that took the nobility by surprise as every damn noble was ruined and they have to ask for money to the ''lower-classes''.

And if you go even more backward, you then realice that there is a central figure on ''civilization'' that defined how we have to feel and how we have to be saying us that if we are not like them, we are bad.

There was no fossil fuel backthen, only gold.

Gold is black by today standars, thats the only thing that changed.

History repeated itself with just little variant, thats the ugly truth.

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Remember when the conspiracy guy you knew was all like "Atlantis is real!" and "They're keeping UFOs in Area 51!" and you just kind of chuckled and thought to yourself "Gee, Bob sure is nuts!" but then as the years went by his conspiracies became incredibly right-wing and he started stockpiling weapons?

 

Pepperidge Doom Remembers

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26 minutes ago, P41R47 said:

Problem isn't that people being no-good communist.

You can be happy being communist.

Problem is people think being communist is bad.

This may be a language barrier thing, but admittedly I should have put that in quotes - I wasn't calling communists/socialists dirty, I was referring to the use of "dirty no-good communist" as a pejorative, which is how it's commonly used in America and American media. This stems directly from McCarthyism, which is the practice of making accusations of subversion/treason/general wrongdoing without any proper regard for evidence, and conflating all and any "bad" things with "communism and socialism" even where no such relationship exists. For example, calling people who don't deny the reality of climate change "commies" even though it is in no way related to communism.

 

It's very common practice in American media, generally used to discredit valid ideas by attaching inaccurate labels to them rather than actually addressing or discussing the ideas themselves. It's much easier to just shut the idea down right away by saying the big C word rather than engaging any sort of meaningful rebuttal.

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If there was a conspiracy theorist that I can't stand... Alex Jones.

 

I know he's old news, but he drives me insane.

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90% of conspiracy theorists in my experience are conspiracy theorists because they gain some sort of psychological utility from those beliefs. This can range from being unable to cope with the fact that nobody is actually in charge and that bad shit happens randomly to relying on the power trip that comes with being a contrarian asshole to fuel their self esteem.

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14 minutes ago, Doomkid said:

This may be a language barrier thing, but admittedly I should have put that in quotes - I wasn't calling communists/socialists dirty, I was referring to the use of "dirty no-good communist" as a pejorative, which is how it's commonly used in America and American media. This stems directly from McCarthyism, which is the practice of making accusations of subversion/treason/general wrongdoing without any proper regard for evidence, and conflating all and any "bad" things with "communism and socialism" even where no such relationship exists. For example, calling people who don't deny the reality of climate change "commies" even though it is in no way related to communism.

 

It's very common practice in American media, generally used to discredit valid ideas by attaching inaccurate labels to them rather than actually addressing or discussing the ideas themselves. It's much easier to just shut the idea down right away by saying the big C word rather than engaging any sort of meaningful rebuttal.

no language barrier, we practically said and think the same at that point.

I went further down the rabbit hole pointing out how gold has different meanings and how ''nobility'' changed through time.

Today, the nobility are the ''high burgoise'' owners of great corporates that dictaminates what is the good and what is the bad.

Backthen were the owners of the only terrain aknowledged by god, later were those that thought god designated them to reing, now god is a simple green paper, and we know that god talks to the ear of those who want to heard it ;)

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The government doesn't want you to know this, StupidBunny isn't even my real name I am hiding my true identity to protect my self from the information I'm about to share

 

Doom is a documentary, John Carmack is actually a robot sent from the future to save us with this secret knowledge

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Okay reacting to OP here... probably because I don't live in the US, I did not know the Fake Snow Conspiracy was... a thing. I'm not smart enough to dissect or discuss how and why conspiracy theories and theorists are born but I am frankly tired of far-fetched conspiracy theories that are just... No. At least in the past the theories were more or less harmless.

"Earth is Flat" 

"Believe what you want. You're wrong but still."

 

"Moonlanding is faked"

"Believe what you want."

 

"Ancient Aliens"

"Yes! I love that- oh wait you're talking about the conspiracy theory and not the Doom wad. Never mind. Believe what you want"

 

But now it feels like the theories have become harmful "Masks don't work.", "Vaccine's cause Autism", "Climate Change is a Hoax" These are the kind of theories that will get people killed. I am honestly tired of those theories.

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5 minutes ago, StupidBunny said:

The government doesn't want you to know this, StupidBunny isn't even my real name I am hiding my true identity to protect my self from the information I'm about to share

 

Doom is a documentary, John Carmack is actually a robot sent from the future to save us with this secret knowledge

 

I KNEW IT ALL ALONG!

 

Ahem, I mean that's silly you big silly conspiracy theorist. Ha!

 

25 minutes ago, Marn said:

90% of conspiracy theorists in my experience are conspiracy theorists because they gain some sort of psychological utility from those beliefs. This can range from being unable to cope with the fact that nobody is actually in charge and that bad shit happens randomly to relying on the power trip that comes with being a contrarian asshole to fuel their self esteem.

 

Yes I largely agree here. The world is a big, random, and often scary place. We crave order and reason, and if you can pin something tragic on "them" it gives a strange sense of comfort. Some fuckwit did not just shoot up that school or theatre because he's a sociopath desperate for notoriety and/or an end to the whatever pain he may be suffering, "They" put him up to it because something something gun control! The Earth is Flat and "They" want to hide it because something something makes us feel small and insignificant! Or whatever. When an idea becomes a belief, it becomes very very difficult to break someone out of that way of thinking. Zealotry of any kind is dangerous.

 

You see similar phenomena but to a lesser extent in the world of mysteries which I love. I love things that get me thinking and pondering the unknown. But I at least try to follow the Sherlock Holmes method of thinking - eliminate the impossible before considering the improbable. The Elisa Lam case is a classic. So much misinformation got out about that one in the early days that all sorts of crazy speculation came up about it. But when you strip it back and look at the original report, the mystery disappears and there is no reason to believe it was a tragic accident that happened because she was off her meds. But when you point this out to people, many still don't want to let it go. The mystery has become more important than the facts. And so it is with conspiracy nuts - you can point out the absurdity of trying to dump countless tons of fake snow onto Texas, or that no democrats are not all cannibal pedophiles or whatever nonsense Qanon has morphed into this month because there is no fucking way that something of that scale could ever be hidden, or no the Earth is not Flat because even the most basic of naked eye observations demonstrate it is fundamentally impossible but it doesn't matter to these people. Bad things happen when you put beliefs before logic and facts.

 

Bias is an inherent part of human psychology. We all have them. But we should try to at least back it up with reason.

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11 minutes ago, Zulk RS said:

At least in the past the theories were more or less harmless.

 

That's what I thought too, until I realized the people talking about fake Moon landings and Ancient Aliens became Qanon cultists and aspiring mass shooters. 

 

America has a tolerance problem in that we tolerate too much dumb shit from others. The proper response to someone claiming the Moon landing is fake is not "Well gee shucks, I disagree but that's your opinion" it's "Well that's fucking stupid, why the hell would you think that?"

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20 minutes ago, Zulk RS said:

 

But now it feels like the theories have become harmful "Masks don't work.", "Vaccine's cause Autism", "Climate Change is a Hoax" These are the kind of theories that will get people killed. I am honestly tired of those theories.

 

I am actually in New Zealand, just stumbled across that on MSN news. But yes you are right, some conspiracies can be very dangerous as you say. Qanon is inspiring people to do progressively more stupid things and even actual heroes who fight actual human trafficking are sick of their shit and calling them a hindrance to real operations. The only thing worse than someone willing to do evil things is someone who does evil things because they think they are in the right.

 

7 minutes ago, Mr. Freeze said:

That's what I thought too, until I realized the people talking about fake Moon landings and Ancient Aliens became Qanon cultists and aspiring mass shooters. 

 

Yeah, other more "harmless" conspiracy theories can often be the gateway to worse.

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I looove a good conspiracy theory! 

 

I generally don’t believe them but the good ones give you that “huh, that kinda could make sense and I need to think about that” feeling.

 

Best example I can think of is the old “the FBI and CIA were prevented from / intentionally did not share the information that could have prevented 9/11 so that the US could invade Afghanistan before moving to its real target (Iraq) for the oil.” 

 

While I don’t think it is true, it makes just enough sense and has enough true and validated components to make you think about it.

 

That said, most (if not all) of the “conspiracy theories” that come out these days seem to be hot garbage that fall apart with two brain cells and the slightest bit of scrutiny:-P

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Yes, they do.

 

Some of the theorists used to look harmless at least, and do it because it somehow makes them feel more secure. And, as long as they keep the nonsense to themselves I'm fine, but once they start being legit harmful, I have a real problem.

 

I can tolerate idiots, but not when their idiocy has visible consequences in the world.

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The easiest way to drown out real conspiracies is to flood every channel with endless noise about nonsensical conspiracies hence dragging down the conversation to the lowest common denominator, making any sort of status quo questioning look crazy by association, and as a final bonus, some of the noisy nonsense conspiracy theories can actually be manipulative brainwashing ones rather than just silly stupid ones.

 

That’s the real conspiracy, IMO, and I know how ironically meta it is.

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29 minutes ago, insertwackynamehere said:

The easiest way to drown out real conspiracies is to flood every channel with endless noise about nonsensical conspiracies hence dragging down the conversation to the lowest common denominator, making any sort of status quo questioning look crazy by association, and as a final bonus, some of the noisy nonsense conspiracy theories can actually be manipulative brainwashing ones rather than just silly stupid ones.

 

That’s the real conspiracy, IMO, and I know how ironically meta it is.

 

I follow some YouTube channels that mock and/or debunk conspiracies. There is one who is a frequent show called Hans Wormhat whose basic proposal is essentially everything is a conspiracy. Even penguins. Yes. Penguins. The guy is either a world class troll (and a masterful actor to sound that committed) or he's going to end up shooting up a pizza joint because if real his insane paranoia about literally everything will only get worse.

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@Murdoch Yes, Q and all that nonsense makes my head spin, and this whole "snow is fake" thing is... like... WAT. Some of it is hilarious, but most of it is pretty terrifying. Especially since Q traffics in a lot of nazi-esque conspiracy theories about Jews controlling the media and drinking the blood of children (the nazis loved their conspiracies and Hitler was into the occult).

 

That's not to say there isn't truth to some conspiracies, but you always have to ask yourself three things: 1) does the motive make sense? 2) did the people with that motive have the means to carry out such a plan? 3) is there ANY actual evidence?

 

So, for example, some of the most famous theories are centered around the assassination of JFK. But there are legitimate questions there, and the "official" story doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The Joint Chiefs and CIA were mad with power in the early 60s, and we have proof that they wanted to stage false flag attacks and blame them on Cuba (Operation Northwoods). So while we'll probably never know the truth, it absolutely could have been an inside job, and the Joint Chiefs had the motive, means, and circumstantial evidence against them. Yet again, we'll likely never know the truth and can only speculate from the evidence available.

 

Compare that to the Earth is flat, or Jewish space lasers started the fires in California. Not the same thing.

 

Oh, one last thing: the 9/11 conspiracies make no sense. If W was behind them, why not blame Saddam? Why stage fake attacks, blame them on bin Laden, and then a year later try to change the narrative from Afghanistan is the threat to Iraq is the threat? In many ways Loose Change was the first social media conspiracy theory and they've just gotten (WAY) worse ever since.

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35 minutes ago, Margaret Thatcher said:

On a related note, how do I get someone to believe the Kennedy assassination was just one guy? Dennis won't shut the fuck up about it.

 

If I knew any conspiracy theories about Maggie Thatcher I'd make a joke here

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ZEON DIDN'T DROP A SPACE COLONY ON EARTH, IT WAS JUST A HOLOGRAM. THE REAL IMPACT WAS CAUSED BY AN ASTEROID FROM ILLEGAL FEDERATION MINING OPERATION.

GOOGLE LAPLACE INCIDENT.

 

WAKE UP FEDDIES!!!!!!!!!!!

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7 hours ago, Murdoch said:

Is it just me or has there been an absolutely insane spike in both the number of conspiracy theories and how idiotic they are over the last few years? Before anyone starts - yes, conspiracies do happen. But people are unreliable. The more you bring in, the chances of failure increase exponentially. The odds of a large scale conspiracy being kept secret for a long period of time are extraordinarily low. And "they" certainly cannot DOUSE AN ENTIRE GIANT STATE IN FAKE SNOW!

 

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/fake-snow-conspiracy-sweeps-social-media-after-texas-storm/ar-BB1dV6ON

 

Lol...

How can they believe this?

 

But well.

In 2012 i've found a weird Commentary on a news Site and followed its Hyperlinks.

 

One lead to a Forum where People were talking about the End of the World, Nibiru, the Grey Ones, Repilloids et cetera....

I jumped to the first Page and surprisingly it started at 2004.

But there it was a Asteroid seen from a Russian Telescope, that should be Nibiru and it should arrive in May 2005.

Before May 2005 the Commentaries exploded and than came the Day... And nothing happend.

The next Post was from 2011... Now Nibiru is coming!

 

You see what the Outcoming was.

I feel like they should teach in Schools how to spot stupid Stuff and how to search for scientificly aproved Stuff.

I hate arguing against People that have Whatsapp and Facebook as their Source.

 

 

Edit:

What i have also learned.

There are also many that believe that Stuff, because it is over their Imagination that a Virus can mutate (hello!? Evolution?) or that the Climate can have such so drasticly Outcomings because we fugging up the Planet.

As they have to find something more simple to believe in because it is out of their mental Reach.

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3 hours ago, DooM Bear said:

Best example I can think of is the old “the FBI and CIA were prevented from / intentionally did not share the information that could have prevented 9/11 so that the US could invade Afghanistan before moving to its real target (Iraq) for the oil.”

 

1 hour ago, Captain Keen said:

Oh, one last thing: the 9/11 conspiracies make no sense. If W was behind them, why not blame Saddam? Why stage fake attacks, blame them on bin Laden, and then a year later try to change the narrative from Afghanistan is the threat to Iraq is the threat? In many ways Loose Change was the first social media conspiracy theory and they've just gotten (WAY) worse ever since.

 

lol, back when I was like 10 through about 14-15 I was fully roped-in to 9/11 conspiracies (this was in the years directly following 9/11 after all). My first taste of it was when I was about 10 reading a "What about building 7?" link on Hellbent's old Doom Connector profile way back when and that sent my pre-teen/early teen self down a rabbit hole. I finally realized when showed evidence by a girl I was dating at the time that the whole "internal explosives and planned demolition" thing was simply too farfetched to be true.

 

The 9/11 conspiracy debate to me is kind of tragic because it's all subterfuge - whether or not it was planned (it wasn't) should be a backseat topic when you really consider what happened in the wake of 9/11, specifically the war in Iraq. Bush's constant invocation of 9/11 and Al-Qaeda to justify a preemptive attack on a country that hadn't attacked America and had sweet fuckall to do with the Twin Towers falling. Remember the "weapons of mass destruction that we're SUPER SURE Iraq has, guys!" ..that, of course, they didn't end up having? Oh well, lets invade anyway. Because, I mean... Oil. Money. Oh, we also want to get that Saddam guy out of there to "bring peace to Iraq". That "peace" never ended up coming, the only result was an estimated 500,000 deaths, blood largely on America's hands.

 

Since Saddam was taken out corruption is actually more rife than ever, with most Iraqis flat-out stating that, although he was a piece of shit, life was better under Saddam than it's been without proper leadership and groups like ISIS forming to take the reigns, at least in part. Speaking of what's happened since the removal of Saddam, one Iraqi said "Those who came after haven't improved the infrastructure, they haven't built anything, they haven't done anything for the people".

 

To think, this whole war was largely contingent on 9/11 - despite the fact that Iraq wasn't even involved with it! It's a shame that chatter about 9/11 conspiracies always takes focus away from the bigger picture of that awful 15+ year debacle. A lot of people who weren't really paying attention just boiled this all down to "Iraq bad" since that's what Bush said back in 2003 and never really thought about it beyond that, and in many cases probably reproduced and spread their ill begat ideas about Middle Easterners down to their offspring. It would certainly explain why so many people back home are still overtly racist towards people from that region.

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