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Thought I'd give it a quick look, opened it up, and noticed it might be a bit of a commitment for one night, I'll have to try it on a day off. Looks great from the opening shot alone, love the vanilla textures used in abstract way, but differently from the abstract way vanilla doom uses them (sorry if this doesn't make any sense).

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currently having fun throwing myself off random bits of map while playing pacifist, heres a slow demo.. starlitepacifist.zip
Just one small note, linedefs 545, 544, 6508 and 5625 raise 8 units above the adjacent central floor and therefore have a small HOM lip on them

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hell yeah. a lot of maps from your previous group of speedmaps have been a big inspiration for me, so I'm pumped to see more!

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4 minutes ago, Tango said:

hell yeah. a lot of maps from your previous group of speedmaps have been a big inspiration for me, so I'm pumped to see more!

 

Thanks! This one is not quite a speedmap, but some probably will be. 

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For some reason, my brain skipped a beat and the first thing that popped into my head when reading the title is "You're Maps!" Go be the best maps you can be, rd!

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Made an FDA on HNTR, I was more in tourist mode til the first few enclosed fights but still nothing serious, so there's one death followed by an exit if you want to watch (prepared myself to do some jumping but nope that was it :p).  

starlite_FDAbygal.zip

 

Really charming and artistic stuff as is your signature mapping, with a pinch of humor here and there. Will definitely go back to it!

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Well ya know, I've been sitting around thinking, "I owe rd about 85 million playtests, so it would sure be nice if rd actually uploaded a map to the forum so I can get on with it!" And now it has happened, and I'm so glad.

 

I took a look at your port choices -- Eternity or PrBoom+ -- and that translates to GZDoom in Steve D Land. ;) I doubt that's why I got soft-locked in Sector 874, because it will take a lot more than that little blue firestick to stop me from exploring a boat. ;D

 

This map is lovely to look at, with a perfect marriage of sky, lighting and textures creating a calm atmosphere in the midst of mayhem, although it seems to take forever for that mayhem to get started. Knowing your style to some extent, and aware that I'm in nowhere near your league as a player, I chose HNTR right away. But even HNTR has 620 rompin' stompin' monsters, so I figured I'd surrender north of 30 pelts and take 90 minutes to beat this thing, but lo and behold, I only died once!

 

No, I didn't stutter, I only died once.

 

I have no idea how this happened. There must be a rational explanation. Yes, I was really in that last arena fight with the army of zombieboys, the 2 Cybs, the Cacoswarm that killed both of them -- kindling some fond memories -- and that pack of Revvies guarding the switch. That's where I died the first and only time, before I realized there was an Invuln available, along with a few Megaspheres and a lot of cells. Okay, that seems to be a sensible explanation for me almost surviving this thing, and if I play it again on HNTR, I probably can survive it. I hope you realize that this threatens to collapse my entire concept of reality, but luckily, I did manage to successfully die at least once, so that's what pulled me back from the brink. 

 

Okay, enough joking around. The fact is, you've made a freaking gorgeous map, perfectly complimented by a wonderful midi -- title and author, please? -- and I really enjoyed my half hour of playtime. I especially loved your tasteful and artistic use of Fireblu, which is rapidly becoming my favorite Doom texture. You even had animated Fireblu as a liquid flat, and the translucent Fireblu tubes are another standout feature. Seriously, this is Fireblu Heaven for me. I also really liked the little boats with health and armor, and the path to the blue bars over the blue crackle rock was exquisite. 

 

The fights were super-easy, but I suspect you geared them -- on HNTR at least -- for the sheer manic joy of blasting whole hordes of Hellspawn to tiny little bits. It worked, because I had a huge grin on my face as I circle-strafed the hordes, thinking, "Okay, if you're not gonna kill me, I'm gonna blow these jagoffs to Kingdom Come!" And so I did. ;)

 

So please, rd, moar maps!

 

 

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Okay, I played it again, and tried out HMP. You got your share of pelts off of me this time! This is especially because I figured out the YK secret, and my oh my, was I ever sorry about that! ;D I died at least 10 times to this combat puzzle. My solution was to go PE -> Imp -> Revvie, and to fight the Revvies with rockets from the PE alcove. After dying multiple times figuring this out, I pressed the switches in the wrong sequence and got Archibald way early, and I was so rattled after fighting him that I grabbed the SS and ended-up with only 129%, with leftover Medikits all over the floor. Well, I wasn't happy, so I opened a save and fought the battle all over again, dying 3 times, but this time, after victory, I hit the switches in order and dispatched Archie before he caused much trouble, and walked out of there ready for the end fight.

 

Before discussing that, I want to say that I really love how everything is timed in the first Cyb fight. Also, that YK secret pathing is super-clever. However, I found another soft-lock. After getting the YK, I walked along the Sector 120 ledge to see if I could find  some goodies. I then jumped onto the Sector 138 ledge, followed it around, and then fell into the gap when I tried jumping into Sector 337, where I got stuck. 

 

The end-fight was much more exhilarating without the Invuln. I died twice this time, both to roaming Archies, so it wasn't a ton more difficult. I got good angles on the Archies rezzing Revvies by the switch. I'm pretty sure I killed 2 with a trio of BFG blasts. After that, all the roaming Archies were killed by Cybs, who were then killed by Cacos. IOW, once the Archies were dead, the fight was over. I would have liked more rockets to wipe out the Caco cloud, because it was fun watching them rain from the sky in 4s and 5s. ;) It wasn't quite the same knocking them down with plasma weapons, because the blast obscured the view.

 

I ended up with 755 kills, with only 4 monsters surviving. 2 of those were a HK and Arachnotron I left infighting. Only 1 secret found.

 

Once again, fantastic map. One last thing, I advise a border texture where Linedef 2994 meets Linedef 260.

 

 

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Thanks for all the playthroughs and feedback! 

 

Biodegradable you asked "what the hell was that" at some point early on. Your intuition was well founded:

 

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If you are curious, try going to UV, notarget, and then press that little "jolt" box in front of the yellow key structure again. (On UV it's even more obvious.)

 

Steved, thanks for all the feedback and catching all those errors. Yeah, the secret YK area is arguably the toughest in the map. The approach I go with (and on UV too) is to rocket the imps, grab the cells in front of them, and then quickly fire out a few BFG shots at pain elementals, and then turn back to the revenants again. When I get around to implementing these minor fixes, I'll add some extra rockets to the last fight, possibly in the small cubby that has revenants. The MIDI is from Lost Civilization map11, but to my knowledge, it's not listed by name or author in the text file. Next post has it. 

 

Re the map as a whole, it was the most fun I've had mapping in ages. One of my main goals was to weave a little story through the map, because I find that thing really fun to do and historically I haven't done it quite enough yet -- "yet" means I'll do it more ;). A brief description of the overarching concept: 

 

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It's a mountainside facility that explains, or more like alludes to, the origin (and production) of FIREBLU, and depicts a world where it is part of the economy.


 

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2 hours ago, rd. said:

Steved, thanks for all the feedback and catching all those errors. Yeah, the secret YK area is arguably the toughest in the map. The approach I go with (and on UV too) is to rocket the imps, grab the cells in front of them, and then quickly fire out a few BFG shots at pain elementals, and then turn back to the revenants again. When I get around to implementing these minor fixes, I'll add some extra rockets to the last fight, possibly in the small cubby that has revenants. The MIDI is from Lost Civilization map11, but to my knowledge, it's not listed by name or author in the text file. Next post has it. 

 

It's nice to see how someone with skillz approaches the YK fight. If I try that -- and I will -- I'll probably end up out in the open, surrounded by angry Revvies, dying like a dog. Here's how I first approached this battle; I saw the 2 cell charge packs in among that first batch of Imps. Given that I had a well-stocked BFG, I decided I could bull-rush the whole thing, as if this was a gimme battle. I'd just blow away the Imps, then charge forward, grab the packs, and keep going as I melted that mini-horde of boneheads. And it worked. Sort of. On my 3rd or 4th try, I made it to the switch-wall, turned around, and ate a cloud of rockets and fists, but I thought I was on to something and did it again. And again. And thanks to my legendary powers of observation, I was on my 5th or 6th death before I asked myself, "Where are these Lost Souls coming from?" On my next try, I looked to my right for the first time and said to myself, "Holy fucking shit, I'm in trouble now!" That little pack of PEs blended perfectly in the darkness. Sneaky work, rd. ;) How ironic that those PEs, by becoming my priority target, were the key to ultimate victory.

 

I'd like to mention what must have been some Voodoo Doll trickery -- the magical and welcome appearance of an SS and Blue Armor when I hit one of the switches. It was as if they silently teleported in. In fact, I was able to leave the initial SS up on its ledge before heading off to the end-fight. Earlier in the map, at the RL area, I was able to climb onto the table there, hit a switch, and get a sequence of funny sounds plus a Zerk which I never saw, but which must have momentarily existed because my screen went red and my fist came up. It's playful touches like these which make this map so fun and memorable. I also like your story concept. There I was, at the very fountains of Fireblu!

 

At some point in the not-so-distant future, I will gather my courage and at least take a look at UV. We'll see how far I get before I quit in despair. ;D 

 

@Diabolución Thank you so much! I've been going through my collection of Jimmy midis, looking for a specific action tune, and I listened to Hall of Faces probably a couple weeks ago, but I wasn't able to recall it. After all, there's a lot of awesomeness in that collection. I'm going to go through it all again and write down the titles of the ones I like best and separate them into types to make life easier on myself.

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Fun map.

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I enjoyed running around everywhere and also the switches which aren't really apparent regarding what they do at first. The switch next to the power symbols to raise the platforms to the yk for example.

 

All of the secrets were hidden but still pretty easy to find after playing your other maps (Eden especially). Even more so here because some are telegraphed with blood everywhere. I didn't check to see if the secret to the fire blue square became easily accessible after finding it or if I still had to jump to it from the yk platform - could be cool to make it easy to reach because you can cover a lot of ground with it.

 

The unmarked secrets were fun too. Like the plasma and the coffee zerk pickup. Still not sure if I maxed it though because there might be more unmarked stuff and didn't check kills.

 

The fights were fun. The fights all featured floor viles but the fights are shorter so I didn't find them too annoying. The cybs aggro'd the viles for me in the two non-secret fights. Never really had to worry about them that much until I decided it was simply time to do away with em. I really liked the constant flow of cacos in the final fight. Made me always have to pay attention to them when I was running over in that direction. Unfortunately the rev platform immediately hit one of the cybs so I never had to worry about the revs or the couple viles that also spawned there so I was able to circle strafe freely.

 

The yk fight was cool. I sat facing the PEs and rocketed them -> bfg'd through the PEs when there was an errant lost soul next to me -> turned around and killed everything while in that PE corner. I liked the computers that opened up lockers with supplies.

 

Speaking of supplies there is a ton of hp on this map if you find the secrets. I guess it would allow you to play much quicker if you wanted to. Seems like it is supposed to be an easier map so that is fine with me but it did present an interesting quality where the map became significantly easier after clearing the first area. I almost wonder if providing a complete hp reset with that mega in the bk fight should be avoided entirely on uv and instead make it a sort of.. use what you got and here are a few medikits or something instead sort of deal.

 

Ammo was never an issue after the first bit of the map.

 

Enjoyed the map. Thanks for making it. I attached a few screens with a hom and a midtexture issue I caught. One of the viles in the final fight was active before I jumped down. The hom was up on the ledge after taking the tp leading to the bk door from the fire blue square secret.

 

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Ended up just addressing the aforementioned softlocks and also added a return teleporter so that you can leave the last area and go hunting for secrets if you're done. 

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I did it!!! I have beaten this epic map on UV. I have found only one secret - with yellow key (battle in that room was insane!). Also found hidden soul sphere near start and "drank coffee lmao". Battle in final area was near impossible because of Arch Viles. I ran out of rockets and plasma when only Cyberdemons were still alive, but area had infinite amount of ammo for Chaingun lol. It was hard, but very fun map and i will play it many times. Played on Eternity Engine without freelook, jumping etc.

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