Is Cyberpunk 2077 worth buying yet?

[DooM Bear]

Super subjective question I know so I will clarify a little.

 

Everyone knows Cyberpunks launch was... less than perfect so despite being hyped as hell for it I have held off buying it until I can have the best experience possible with it (pro gamer tip, don’t preorder kids :-P) :-D

 

While I would imagine (or hope) the big bugs would have all be squashed by now, there were also all the other things like the completely useless crafting skill tree, super dumb civilian AI, etc. These are the things that I am more concerned by and am really hoping to see fixed before I jump in.

 

So, has Cyberpunk had these things patched / rejigged yet and do you think it is worth buying now? 

Or,

Would you suggest going for the delayed gratification route by continuing to hold off for now and checking in in another 3 months to see how it is going then?

 

Edit: I should add, I don’t really care about paying full price vs getting it on sale. I just want my first play through to be the best experience possible :-D

Edited March 24, 2021 by DooM Bear

[Rudolph]

I would say no, but mainly because of all the horror stories that have come out in regard to its development.

 

Also, I hear the game itself is nothing special at the end of the day and William Gibson himself was right to call it "a GTA skinned-over with a generic 80s retro-future". But if you still feel like playing it, then I would recommend waiting until the game is no longer being worked on; this way, you will not have to worry about patches breaking your game and you might even see some community mods fixing and improving it even further.

Edited March 24, 2021 by Rudolph

[snapshot]

Yeah, but not at its current price, the main story and side quests alone are very much worth experiencing, it kept me hooked through the whole main story questline and side quest arcs with interesting or quirky characters and some genuinely gripping and at times downright messed up moments, and I don't mean bugs because I had almost zero bugs on PC, and this is way before even 1.06 Patch.

 

The writing can be delightful at times, Night City is also very gorgeous and can feel very immersive when it's not acting weird, just don't expect GTA or RDR2 levels of interactivity, It plays more like a First-person Witcher 3 with a few Deus Ex touches. see if the DLCs and upcoming updates will add more to it, the foundation is there, and let us know if you're Team Panam or Judy lol.

[mrthejoshmon]

The game, at it's core, is definitely worth playing but unfortunately it is buried under a heap of problems that should be fixed over time, I hope at least.

 

I'd say come back later.

 

Also team Judy, come on.

[Rudolph]

1 hour ago, sluggard said:

let us know if you're Team Panam or Judy lol.

Are there not more companions/love interests, though?

[Liberation]

It's a good game, it does have that GTA element but the shooting and everything else is pretty good and enjoyable. Plenty of quests to do.

 

I didn't find it too buggy on release, so 6 months on and it should be getting pretty good in that regard and will only improve.

 

So I reckon it is worth buying now, but there is nothing wrong with waiting another 3 or so months if you wanted to. I think I saw it was on sale on gog atm.

[Lykanthrope]

I bought it at release for PC and like everyone else who did because no one had much indication to expect such, saw the nightmare at the time unfold for the buggy mess it was.  Since then however it's quite improved.  Load times are better, asset loading in general is better, and more fixes are on the way.  The modding scene for it is really good thus far and there's a LOT of little things to discover all over the game when you set aside doing main story missions for a while.  The level of detail in Night City itself is incredible and there's easter eggs and side missions and homages to movies and such all over the place.  For example I just discovered a nod to the famous tow truck chase in Terminator 2 the other day just exploring around an industrial section of the city and that's just one of hundreds to find.

 

11 hours ago, Rudolph said:

Are there not more companions/love interests, though?

I personally simp for Judy but there's a bunch more.  For female V you can get with a male ex-cop named River and his story mission leading up to it is actually really interesting btw.  Turns the game into a true crime sort of mystery for a bit.  You can also get with Johnny's bandmate Kerry Eurodyne at some point but that's only for male V I believe and it's also possible to hook up with the Militech chick you meet at near the start of the game. 

 

I'd say go for it, on PC if you've got a relatively decent system because once you've got a good enough amount of hours you'll want to experiment with mods and they can make the game so much more immersive.  Especially with a few good Reshade presets going and the climate change mod that helps adjust the weather system a little more consistently.

[snapshot]

Meredith is just a one off thing iirc, Elon Musk and his girlfriend also appear in the game somewhere, there's a quest where you get to do some work for her, that was weird.

[Final Verdict]

My brother has it, but he doesn't play it. Crash happy game. Depends though, it runs okay for some.

 

It seems like it has some good moments under the hood, but it's just not ready yet in my opinion. I plan on getting it myself in the future, unfortunately it's not very stable so I'm waiting until it runs properly. 

[Jello]

I've thought about buying it, but this concept of "Release it now, we'll patch it later" is getting old. But the more I read and hear about it, I really don't see a reason to buy it. Maybe when it's 60% off. Which probably won't take long.

[DooM Bear]

Thanks all :-)

 

Figured is wait a few days to get a decent sample but looks like I’ll hold off for another 3 months or so and will check in again then :-D

 

Thanks so much again!

 

On 3/27/2021 at 11:33 AM, Jello said:

I've thought about buying it, but this concept of "Release it now, we'll patch it later" is getting old. But the more I read and hear about it, I really don't see a reason to buy it. Maybe when it's 60% off. Which probably won't take long.

 

I know hey!!! I’m really, really tired of the now standard “come back 6 months after launch and hopefully it will be something like what we originally promised then” shit that the games industry has become.

 

To be honest, I think if a good single player game came out these days without any issues or a fuck off massive day 1 patch, I would probably shit myself in confusion  XD

[Sunnyfruit]

It depends on people. I bought it day one and although I had some bugs, the early patches fixed everything for me. Quick load times, very few bugs, and nothing game breaking. Now there are things which will likely won't get patched like the mediocre AI and the barebones content for some of the highlights of the game.

The game gameplay-wise has nothing to do with GTA, it's a Deus Ex 1/VtMB mashup that is obvious but went unnoticed because people don't know the most basic things about what they talk about.

In the end, it really is about what you want to get in a videogame. CP77 has an interesting, breath-taking universe which is superficially implemented. It also, for some reason, annoys some people because (just like according to my own life experience) the poor in this game want to escape misery no matter what instead of joining the closest socialist party.

 

Do you want a game focused on story with a unique ambiance and characters? Then go get it on PC. Do you want a sandbox game where story is conveyed through gameplay first? Then I don't think you will like it. Are both equally important to you? I would recommend you, if you're not curious, to at least wait for the first expansion pack to see if they will change some of the structural matters of the game.

 

If we get an expansion that corrects the AI bugs and revamps the lackluster features, the very same people who bash the game right now will praise the story, and either deny they were haters or, more realistically, will reuse the ready-to-use, fast-food meme "redemption arc" and will explain that their stalking of dev twitters and tries to make the company bankrupt are the founding blocks of what made the game perfect. This will be Season 3.

 

As for me? I was absolutely indifferent to the marketing campaign which felt like synthwave Saint's Rows. I got the game, I had some insights about how a story centered into a yuppie/zaibatsu/retrofuturistic city could work, and I had the Heist mission. The artbook and its fluff are awesome. The game influenced my own personal work and helped me to make it mature a bit. I don't get as much insight from the youtube bug memes.

[Liberation]

42 minutes ago, Sunnyfruit said:

The game gameplay-wise has nothing to do with GTA, it's a Deus Ex 1/VtMB mashup that is obvious but went unnoticed because people don't know the most basic things about what they talk about.

 

Mind your tone please, the link to GTA people make is very present in the driving aspect/world aspect of the game. It's not a criticism. My first thoughts was Deus Ex series mixed with GTA. 

 

Also I deleted your rant with CD Projekt and the haters as it's not on topic.

[Sunnyfruit]

3 minutes ago, Liberation said:

 

Mind your tone please, the link to GTA people make is very present in the driving aspect/world aspect of the game. It's not a criticism. My first thoughts was Deus Ex series mixed with GTA. 

 

Also I deleted your rant with CD Projekt and the haters as it's not on topic.

 

I'll mind my tone, it's true that if I want CP77 discussion to be focused on the game itself, I'd rather talk about the game.

There will be a bit of GTA as GTA is the reference for the whole living city theme, but it's not the focus. GTA's fun core is mainly centered into the whole law-breaking and reputation-climbing cycle, with driving as a focus and combat as an afterthought. Cyberpunk is the opposite. The focus is on the tech tree and gunfight, and the whole Max-Tac cutscene at the very beginning of the game was to clue the player that the star-chasing game wasn't intended for CP. Also, the city is full of landmarks which are meant to be explored at foot in order to appreciate the ambiance.

The story-driven missions with a margin in the way you conclude them is way more reminiscent of Vampire the Mascarade Bloodlines.

[Liberation]

4 minutes ago, Sunnyfruit said:

There will be a bit of GTA as GTA is the reference for the whole living city theme, but it's not the focus. GTA's fun core is mainly centered into the whole law-breaking and reputation-climbing cycle, with driving as a focus and combat as an afterthought. Cyberpunk is the opposite. The focus is on the tech tree and gunfight, and the whole Max-Tac cutscene at the very beginning of the game was to clue the player that the star-chasing game wasn't intended for CP.

 

Yeah sure I will agree with that, although I wonder if that is due to the whole police system being massively undercooked.

 

6 minutes ago, Sunnyfruit said:

The story-driven missions with a margin in the way you conclude them is way more reminiscent of Vampire the Mascarade Bloodlines.

 

It does have that vibe, that and DE:HR and so for me that is an excellent reason to recommend the game to people, I think CP will continue to improve as the months creep on, what aspects that will get the most improvement is yet to be seen.

[Alter]

I would wait until all the expansions come out (there will be supposedly three paid ones with the rest being free minor additions) and get the complete edition in ~2 years time. As I suspect there will be a huge influx of new bugs once the "next gen" patch comes out on consoles which will also affect the PC release.

[Sunnyfruit]

9 minutes ago, Liberation said:

Yeah sure I will agree with that, although I wonder if that is due to the whole police system being massively undercooked.

 

I think both are linked. As it is a secondary feature, it was probably kept aside until the end of development and suddenly CDPR realized that even the simplest feature was a time-consuming, grueling mechanic to add in a complex system.

I do not know if it is youth or hubris of making the Witcher but the constant downgrade in promises along the years made CP77 the definition of insider overshooting. Still an ambitious and respectable game.

[DooM Bear]

1 hour ago, Sunnyfruit said:

...Now there are things which will likely won't get patched like the mediocre AI and the barebones content for some of the highlights of the game.

...

If we get an expansion that corrects the AI bugs and revamps the lackluster features.

 

Damn! I was really hoping they would fix the AI as a priority :-(

 

I’ve seen some videos and what not with some pretty janky shit! Like where if you shoot a pedestrian all the people around just get out of their car and crouch next to it... and even if you go car to car killing them all they all just stay there without moving, wait their turn to get a new ventilation hole installed in their forehead XD

 

That is they stuff I was really hoping they were going to do first (after the game breaking bugs of course)!

 

Prelaunch was hoping CP2077 was going to be a deep FPS RPG (I was hoping for basically New Vegas type thing Cyberpunk style - obviously bugs aren’t a super big deal for me :-P) but since launch, I know it is not that. However, I am still hoping to jump in at a time where the game can completely immerse me and completely draw me into its world like New Vegas does :-D

 

Hope nobody gets me wrong, from what I know about it and have seen of it, I think Cyberpunk could be a game like that but it still just needs a little time in the oven to get there and am really hoping the devs get it there :-D

[Sunnyfruit]

5 minutes ago, DooM Bear said:

 

Damn! I was really hoping they would fix the AI as a priority :-(

 

I’ve seen some videos and what not with some pretty janky shit! Like where if you shoot a pedestrian all the people around just get out of their car and crouch next to it... and even if you go car to car killing them all they all just stay there without moving, wait their turn to get a new ventilation hole installed in their forehead XD

 

That is they stuff I was really hoping they were going to do first (after the game breaking bugs of course)!

 

Yes, it's the case and it's very jarring. You can even paralyze the whole circulation if you park your car in the middle of the road. They likely won't patch it because even the simplest AI is a complex thing and correcting one bug will certainly provoke a thousand others, especially if the game is being patched in other fields in the same time.

I am hoping in a expansion oven rather than expecting something from the microwave patches, if you get what I mean. You should wait then, I think the devs still have dear ideas they still want to implement and given how consistent the W3 expansions were, I am sure there will be something worthwhile in a full-package game. Of course, with the intermittent lockdowns, this will certainly take a lot a time.

[Final Verdict]

On 3/27/2021 at 12:33 AM, Jello said:

I've thought about buying it, but this concept of "Release it now, we'll patch it later" is getting old. But the more I read and hear about it, I really don't see a reason to buy it. Maybe when it's 60% off. Which probably won't take long.

 

That a good point about the state of things in the industry. I'm not talking about Cyberpunk 2077 so much here, just AAA games in general.

 

I'm really getting tired of AAA games coming out half-arsed and then they patch them up over several months. Don't get me wrong, I understand why they do it and sometimes they even have little choice (investors, publisher pressure et-cetera). A product should work straight out of the box. This used to be the case in the gaming industry for the most part. It's for this reason that I almost never purchase an AAA title at launch, I will wait weeks or even months before I purchase it.

 

This was harder to do back in the day as the selection was more limited. But not anymore, there are so many games around these days that it's fairly easy to simply wait it out and play something else. You also get the added bonus of paying less for it as the price drops or you get it on sale.

 

To be honest I think that is what will happen eventually, but not so much because consumers suddenly start playing it smart by not purchasing broken AAA games at launch. No, it will right itself simply because of the sheer amount of options out there now. It's much easier to ignore the new big shiny game when you know it's unstable/unfinished and you have several other games to play in the meantime.

 

At least, that's my hope for the future. It might just be wishful thinking on my part.

 

[omx32x]

i dont think it is ever worth because of the false advertising but if you are gonna buy it i think you should wait 2 more months and buy it when it gets chaper

[snapshot]

A massive 28.8 GBs update came up on my Steam, has over 450 improvements and fixes, and apparently its gonna take me a day and half to download wtf lol, I'm tempted to jump back in now

 

 

a thing of beauty I know
will never fade away what you did to me I know

[Liberation]

Bloody hell.. 28 gb update lol. 

 

Be interesting to see what's been updated.

 

Ha! Even the list of changes is in 2 parts.

[snapshot]

10 hours ago, Liberation said:

Be interesting to see what's been updated.

Seems to be focused mostly on making things less immersion-breaking and more 'cinematic' and making the game less crash-happy and perform better. only changes I've noticed are cloth shops selling clothing that fit their district. It does fix many of the more annoying things like the borked perks and bloodpump cyberware, and delamain calls you less frequently, it also fixes V's weird sleep pose, NPCs also no longer seem to react to V bumping into them, and they seem less likely to enter cowering state, they just run away most of the time if you fire your guns near them. Then again I haven't run into any other bugs before this update so I'm not sure.

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For some reason V still doesn't sleep correctly right before completing the starting quest though, and Jackie still goes through that one elevator door if you're not standing near him when he's about to enter the elevator, it's a start lol, definitely in a much, much better place than it was on launch, will likely make the game more enjoyable for those who were unlucky enough to get so many bugs in it but won't hurt to wait more and see. Feel like it won't be getting any major content until The Free DLCs and other Expansions come out.

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Edited March 31, 2021 by sluggard

[snapshot]

Here's a link to anyone curious, it's huge and covers many areas, UI, sound, open world, gameplay... (link)

 

On the right track lol

[DooM Bear]

8 hours ago, sluggard said:

Here's a link to anyone curious, it's huge and covers many areas, UI, sound, open world, gameplay... (link)

 

On the right track lol

 

LoL XD I had a quick look and also saw “Fixed an issue where pedestrians could get teleported after being hit by a vehicle.” and something like “Stoped NPC’s clipping when they run into things XD

 

I’m half just throwing shade as those things really, really should have been done before release but on the other hand I’m really glad they are fixing them :-D

 

Looks like a pretty massive update and looks like they are looking at it from all angles too which is good :-)

 

Have CD Projekt Red given a “road map” or whatever they call it of their patch release schedule?

[Liberation]

@sluggardI have to admit I'm impressed with the shear scale of the fixes, and yeah I did read through most of it lol. I'm glad they are taking it all seriously.. also mod support folder.. 

 

16 minutes ago, DooM Bear said:

I’m half just throwing shade as those things really, really should have been done before release but on the other hand I’m really glad they are fixing them :-D

 

Looks like a pretty massive update and looks like they are looking at it from all angles too which is good :-)

 

I'm not a fanboy so I won't defend it on release, although it played alright for me. But I do understand having played it, the scale of a game like this and that the amount of bugs was going to be huge regardless of release date, you need people/players breaking shit before really knuckling down on the bugs.. Something I'm sure any mapper has fallen foul of :-). 

 

[snapshot]

5 hours ago, DooM Bear said:

Have CD Projekt Red given a “road map” or whatever they call it of their patch release schedule?

They did shortly after uploading a video 2 months ago, and now they've gone ahead and clarified it, multiplayer plans are being swept under the rug by the looks of it lol. Hope that's still coming in 2022

 

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