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[PRBoom+] Moon series 2021 [Idgames available]

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Yeah, I don't know what happened. They appear fine on my computer but, on my phone, they come out broken. Will see what I can do


EDIT: Should be fine now. 

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RC2 available. 


Concerning MOTM, nothing major has changed. Aside from some very small lifts that have been turned to small stairs and a few small visual tweaks here and there. 


Concerning TTTM: 


- A few visual adjustments (added a few light zones to the red key hangar fight, you can now see shit a bit better haha)

- Tweaked the yellow fight. It's less chaotic but, still hard. 

- Added more health to the final fight and changed the BFG position (there was no real point hiding it behind a fuck ton of revenants really) 


So yeah, I don't see what else I can add. So, unless something critical is discovered, this is pretty much close to final. 


Link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9xyfksd7hcyjers/MOON21_RC2.zip?dl=1



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Hey I played through these this evening. I had some very vague memories of TTTM and a couple of the encounters but MOTM may well have been my first play-through of any version, far as I can remember.


Both were really fun adventures to blast through. I preferred man on the moon with it's slightly more aggressive encounter design - Lots of changes to the arenas and waves being introduced just a tad faster than I found comfortable, leading to some exciting moments of improvisation. Here's an FDA for RC2 of each map recorded with dsdadoom 0.18. I died a couple of times with trip to the moon, killed the demo, took a quick break and restarted each time, which strictly means my exit isn't an FDA, but y'know.




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Awesome. Thanks koren, I'll watch these later today :D 


Glad you enjoyed these. 

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I've not been able to play much at all in the past few weeks (not even Doom) because i've been so busy with my own projects, but i'm very glad that this is one of the few i decided to play.


Not to put out a wall of text i'll try to be a bit brief with my thoughts on both maps:


Travelling to the Moon:


Visually, this one reminds me a lot of Lunatic which is a huge plus for me. I did enjoy my first attempt quite a bit, but after a few tries i noticed that it gets extremely repetitive for its size. Lots of "oh no, i'm locked in!" fights even when they're not needed, lots of archviles where they don't fit (and lack of archviles where they would fit).


The biggest problem was probably the pretty bad pacing when it comes to the fights themselves, where you wouldn't be given any hints as to where enemies would be coming from or what enemies they would be, so most often than not you'd be zapped by several archviles at once while getting shot by fodder enemies before you even get a chance to think about how to position yourself and how to assert target priority, ESPECIALLY in the fight with the spider mastermind and all of those archviles.


Another issue i had with this one is that the ammo balancing was barely a thing in it, and after getting the rocket launcher and/or plasma rifle i'd never have to use anything else because i never ran out of cells or rockets (which also meant i left probably over a hundred shells on the ground after finishing the map).


I still had fun, but i'm not sure i'd recommend this one to others. The other map on the other hand...


Man on the Moon:


I was cautiously analyzing this one a bit more than i usually do to see if it would have any of the same issues, but i was pleasantly surprised to have started having a lot more fun from the get-go, and despite being such a long map i still had that same amount of fun all the way through, and i also found this one soooo much prettier.


The highlight of this one was probably the better pacing of progression and the big fights. Aside from an ambush with a billion chaingunners pretty early on, i never really felt cheated on this one, i always felt like the fights were fair, interesting and varied (although some persistent tropes are very much still there, like the lack of incidental combat followed by several stronger enemies teleporting in from several locations).


Another thing to note is that i really liked how you went about doing secrets in this one. They felt pretty well telegraphed, decently well hidden (maybe some of the most rewarding ones could be a bit better hidden though?), and very rewarding. I just think they could be a bit more varied than "hidden shoot/press switch", then i'd have absolutely nothing but compliments about these. Also i couldn't find the green key wherever it was, which is probably a good thing because towards the end i started slacking off in regards to exploration.


I did however feel like the final fight could've used a bit more refinement, it was far more challenging at the start, then only got easier after the cyberdemons showed up (and even easier at the final boss phase), probably because the final boss and the supporting minions that came with him weren't all that threatening, and didn't make much use of the arena's geometry to make as interesting of an encounter as the first few waves.


With all of that said i had a looot of fun with this one, and if you've learned lots more things from this one (given it's still a couple years old) i can't wait for your next release :)

I'm also surprised people are sleeping on this release so hard, i hope that by bumping the thread again a few more people might give it the attention it deserves. :D

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16 hours ago, MattFright said:

several stronger enemies teleporting in from several locations


Erm, Man on the moon hardly uses teleport ambushes tbf. I'd understand if this was directed to the first one which does alot but, aside from the final (and one secret fight + the blue zone trap when you come back to the begining), teleport ambushes in man on the moon are like not that present. Most monsters are either in closets or placed directly in the fight zone. So, I'm pretty shocked that you would mention teleporting enemies here. 


Regarding your comments on the first one, yes, I understand most of them. But, when you say that there are no hints as to where the monsters teleport from, I'm not so sure what you are talking about. The red key hangar for example has literal teleport pads on the floor and a pretty big light spot where you can see them coming from. As for viles, well, that's understandable. I just like them is all so, I tend to use them quite a bit. This version has quite a a few that were either taken off completely or just moved to coop. But yes, overall, I agree on the repetitiveness of the fights in that one. That one originaly came out in 2016 and I was just getting used to monster ambushes and stuff so, I get that this is a sentiment that comes out. 

As for ammo balance, meh. I REALLY HATE ammo starvation in a map so, I just put a shit ton in it to make it less frustrating. I'm not that good of a player so, heh. It never really came out as a problem for most people who played this but, fair enough. I guess it is a thing. I'm not really gonna change that aspect though. Again, ammo starvation or else is a big NO NO for me. 


As for your comment on the final fight of the second installement, god damn it. This fight got the most tweaks, be it for this version or even before the idgames release. In very early stages, the plaforms wouldn't lower at all, it was all hapening on same grounds. For this version, I did take out some viles too so, it's less chaotic overall. I really DONT know how to refine that trap even more without denaturing it altogether. I think it came out pretty good after all the changes already and honestly, aside from some critical bug that is find, I will leave it as is. The final boss originaly came out as a pair but, after much thought, I decided to move the second one to coop due to him constantly infighting with his pair. As for monsters coming out, during the final boss phase, well, yes. I mean, leaving just this one dude in that big room would've been quite boring heh. 


I would hope that you enjoyed the second installement more though. That came out 2 years after (the original release) and I learned more. This version (2021) has had ALOT of changes from the original version. Getting lost is less of a problem and all. 


Anyhow, thank you for the feedback. A shame that you didn't really enjoy the first one but, that was to be expected really. 


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I tried the second one by request and it was absolutely spectacular :) A massive map that doesn't feel overwhelming thanks to good colour coding and signals of progression, and at my level of a comfortable challenge (on the easiest difficulty setting). I really enjoyed this one!



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Glad you enjoyed it haha. Fyi, on UV, I think there's like 400 extra monsters. Some of the monsters you didn't find btw are probably part of a secret fight that allows access to an early plasma gun. But, that's fine haha. I really enjoyed watching this :D 


BTW, I really like that your hud shows you what kind of armor you are wearing. That's actually pretty useful and never noticed that before :D 

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RC3 Available (this should be very close to final at this point): https://www.dropbox.com/s/ycr2r50h1rgqwhz/MOON21_RC3.zip?dl=1






- Visual tweaks. Mainly a new side building that you can visit after getting the red card. 

- Pushed some ammo (mainly big ammo) to multiplayer only. After watching koren's demo of TTTM, I did indeed notice that there was maybe a bit TOO much ammo, even for me :D 

- Raised the voodoo dool script time a bit in the yellow key fight and lowered it slightly in the final area (it was really long). 


That's about it. 




- Added a bit of opposition after you grab the megasphere secret in the blue key area. Nothing much but heh, I always felt that it was a bit too free :D 

- Made some monsters spawn in on the path out of the green key building to indicate that you should head this way. 

- Made the yellow door into a switch door for coherence with the other keyed doors (none of which open by just having you press them so yeah)
- Slight visual tweaks (mainly texture and lighting changes) 


So yeah, this should be (as said above) as close to the idgames release as possible. I may change my plans regarding the idgames release of these btw. @rd. suggested to me that i could update the links of the older versions to these and, in the same zips, have a folder entitled "legacy" that would contain the original releases. I actually like that idea. Thanks RD :D 



Edited by Yugiboy85 : Forgot to add the link...what an idiot lol

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Screenshots look awesome! I’ll come back with a thorough review once I get a chance to play this!

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I'm embarrassed to say that I never tried Traveling To The Moon, but I did play Man On The Moon and it was great. I'm definitely going to be playing both of these updated versions asap. Just out of curiosity, would you be willing to make Man On The Moon take up map slot 2 so that both maps could be played in conjunction since this is a series? Just a cool thought, but if not it's no biggie. Congrats on the release by the way, and thank you for them as well.

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Hi shulbocka, that is fine, no worries haha. I think most people will be bound to play man on the moon more because it recieved an honorable mention but heh, that's to be expected :) 


Also, as per your suggestion. Funilly enough, I've thought about doing this before but, realised that it was way too much of a hastle (it's not as easy as just putting the map as map 02) for a few reasons: 


- Both maps are designed for pistol start obviously. Now, you could make the argument that I could put a death exit on map 01, why not, but that would kinda break the immersion (paradoxically). Plus, with the third one underway, I would ALSO have to put a death exit on map 02. 


- Both maps use a rather separate set of textures. Granted, it's not impossible to merge them together by deleting the double entries and all but, it's not really something I want to go through. That would mean making a list of every single texture used by both maps, find the comon ones, etc... Too much work for nothing imo. Not to mention, the third one uses the ancient aliens textures which comes up with a completely different palete which also means that I would have to convert every single texture+sprites etc... to that palete just so that I could fit it in map 03. 


So yeah, I did try to make some kind of master resource wad and all but, I gave up haha

Good suggestion though, but unfortunately, I'm gonna have to pass on that one :) 

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Just played through TTTM RC3. Seriously awesome space base adventure map with some fun & meaty encounters and gorgeous visuals. Love the AV placement in the big encounters, they really spice things up a lot and despite not being that hard to kill they are pretty scary in the relatively open arenas. Cacocloud in the RK wing was another highlight for me because I fucking love Cacoclouds. 


FDA in the attachment if you're interested, played with glboom+ cl9 on UV. The 2016 version file is in my doom folder so I'm sure I have played that version but honestly didn't remember anything else but the theme and general visual style. Managed to finish without dying in about 45 minutes, 100% kills and 9/10 secrets which I'm sure helped my efforts to survive. I think I had two spare Megaspheres and a couple of Soulspheres too in the end so I feel like I did quite well overall... other than a brief scare in the tight quarters encounter in the RK wing which honestly I had no business surviving with that kind of playing.


Will play MOTM later.



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And thus, the final versions have just been sent to idgames. 

In the meantime, here are temporary links. Will update when the idgame links are available (if all goes well). 


EDIT: Idgames links available


TTTM: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/s-u/travmoon


MOTM: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/m-o/motm



Thank you to all those who were involved in playtesting these and for the videos etc... :D


Also included in these links are the legacy versions of each map if interested. 


Enjoy :D

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