Why Is There So Much Hate For Limp Bizkit?

[CBM]

I don't really follow musicians private life or what they may or may not do or have done.. I just listen to the music.

 

I like Nickelback, Limp Bizkit, Michael Jackson, Dario Von Slotty  and many more bands/musicians that are also probably in bad standing somehow...

[Megalyth]

They had a few good songs on Significant Other. I never really listened to the discography beyond that. I certainly never hated them, and I couldn't physically care less what any taste-makers think about Limp Bizkit or any other music.

[Uncle 80]

I also like Michael Jackson, Miles Davis and Burzum. All great people artists/bands!

[Smoothandz]

On 9/26/2021 at 12:49 AM, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

Nickelback, 3 Doors Down, Shinedown, and all of those shitty post-grunge bands were a lot worse than nu-metal.

 

At the risk of being burned... Shinedown? My boy Brent has (in my opinion) an amazing voice. I feel like they try and change their "style" up from album to album. Although I'll admit I'm no music expert, but I feel that Shinedown stands out from the rest.

[Bauul]

On 9/25/2021 at 10:49 PM, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

Pretty much all mainstream nu-metal gets shat on, save for System of a Down which I don't really look at as nu-metal.

 

It seems to me like Nu-Metal bands have ended up falling into two camps: embarrassing time capsules of a cringy "edgy" period in music, or reappreciated as genuinely talented musicians. SOAD is a good example of the latter, but bands like Linkin Park, Korn, Disturbed and Slipknot (which was kinda/sorta Nu-Metal) also feel reappraised these days. Even poor POD, who were shat on even at the time, have been getting decent radio play recently.

 

On the other hand you have bands like Limp Bizkit who epitomize the "thank god we left that behind" end of the scale.

[Ripper]

I thought that the hate towards strictly Limp Bizkit was mainly directed to the frontman - Fred Durst

The reason being all the drama Durst used to be involved in.
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-people-hate-Limp-Bizkit-so-much

[LexiMax]

I don't think I was ever a fan of nu-metal, but even at the time, Limp Bizkit came off as trying way too hard to be cool and edgy and more often than not came off as juvenile and vapid.

 

That being said, I don't really see much hatred for the band anymore because to hate them, you have to remember them.  The internet has completely decimated radio, and we are quickly losing a shared music culture.  People in their 30's are the generation of Napster and Shoutcast streams and now we have Apple Music, Spotify, and Bandcamp.  In short, nobody has to listen to music that doesn't cater to their tastes anymore.  People can like Limp Bizkit if they want and it's no skin off my back.

[Dark Pulse]

4 hours ago, Bauul said:

It seems to me like Nu-Metal bands have ended up falling into two camps: embarrassing time capsules of a cringy "edgy" period in music, or reappreciated as genuinely talented musicians. SOAD is a good example of the latter, but bands like Linkin Park, Korn, Disturbed and Slipknot (which was kinda/sorta Nu-Metal) also feel reappraised these days. Even poor POD, who were shat on even at the time, have been getting decent radio play recently.

 

On the other hand you have bands like Limp Bizkit who epitomize the "thank god we left that behind" end of the scale.

I mean, this will be the decade for 90s nostalgia, so besides all of the grunge replays I'd expect some nu-metal mixed in there too. Even seeing a bit of that early-90s/late-80s holdover "geometry" stuff coming back.

[ChopBlock223]

When's the nostalgia gonna be for Alice In Chains and Body Count? Their music is far more memorable.

[TJG1289]

A lot of people have pretty much explained why they're hated, but I'll say I have seen a lot more praise for them online over the last few years. Their appearance at this year's Lollapalooza was actually one of the more well-received sets of the weekend from what I saw. A lot of it is the nostalgia for their 2-decade old tracks people grew up with, and being able to still hear those tracks live. 

 

Another thing I've always seen, even back when they were more hated, is that the actual musicians in the band are quite talented. Wes Borland has always been praised for his guitar playing, and I think he's the #1 person people think of when it comes to talented musicians in bad bands. Sam Rivers and John Otto are solid on bass and drums as well. But there's no denying that they're held back by their frontman.

[Woolie Wool]

On 9/28/2021 at 1:41 PM, AlexMax said:

I don't think I was ever a fan of nu-metal, but even at the time, Limp Bizkit came off as trying way too hard to be cool and edgy and more often than not came off as juvenile and vapid.

 

That being said, I don't really see much hatred for the band anymore because to hate them, you have to remember them.  The internet has completely decimated radio, and we are quickly losing a shared music culture.  People in their 30's are the generation of Napster and Shoutcast streams and now we have Apple Music, Spotify, and Bandcamp.  In short, nobody has to listen to music that doesn't cater to their tastes anymore.  People can like Limp Bizkit if they want and it's no skin off my back.

But at the same time we're losing a shared music culture, we're still bombarded in public spaces with top 40 pop music that almost nobody aside from social media influencers and Republican governors seems to actually like. Does anyone actually enjoy Imagine Dragons, or is the ability of modern people to listen to music together so stunted that nothing more demanding than Imagine Dragons is even possible to play in commercial spaces? And if that's the case, why not just get rid of music in stores and businesses altogether? However bad Limp Bizkit may have been, they at least had a distinctive sound that reflected the musicians' interests, tastes, and personalities and a keen sense of what sort of people they wanted to make music for.

[Nine Inch Heels]

2 hours ago, Woolie Wool said:

Does anyone actually enjoy Imagine Dragons, or is the ability of modern people to listen to music together so stunted that nothing more demanding than Imagine Dragons is even possible to play in commercial spaces? And if that's the case, why not just get rid of music in stores and businesses altogether?

The reason you get the commercial pop type of music in most places is because it's actually good for business to have something "non-offensive" (to most people) playing in the background that's not only relatively easy to ignore if it's not your cup of tea, but helps to overshadow the ambient noise that's characteristic for supermarkets somewhat... For example the large scale appliances they're running to prevent dairy products from getting "sour" or exploding... There's quite a bit of psychology involved with how some of the most successful franchises out there choose what kind of music they play when over the course of a given day of the week...

 

It should probably also go without saying that "celebrating your shared music culture" is not a place supermarkets and grocery stores are there for in the first place... If you feel the need to do that, then I'd suggest you put your money where your mouth is, and create an opportunity to do that, rather than waiting for the convenience store next door to do the job for you...

 

2 hours ago, Woolie Wool said:

However bad Limp Bizkit may have been, they at least had a distinctive sound that reflected the musicians' interests, tastes, and personalities and a keen sense of what sort of people they wanted to make music for.

With somebody like Durst at the helm you'll be hard pressed to defend that hill, because chances are (and I'm confident there should be videos available) that Durst has been commandeering how LB was supposed to sound, leaving little in the way of legroom for other band members... Which, again, reminds me of the conflicts Durst had with Borland which culminated in a period of time when communication between the two would happen exclusively via their respective lawyers... The rule of thumb is that a large ego does not mingle well with "collaborative efforts" in an environment that is all about creativity, which music just so happens to be...

 

As for the "keen sense" of what sort of people they wanted to make music for, that really wasn't difficult to nail down, because teens of any given generation are easily impressed and swayed by something that appears to cater to whatever the fuck was cool at the time and LB just so happened to connect a couple dots... Bands and artists that can pull this off can be created in a petri dish, and unless the resulting band is capable of changing and adapting over the course of time they have a built-in shelf life, and the shelf life of Limp Bizkit ended somewhere around 2,000 AD, from which point onward they were coasting on momentum before slipping ever deeper into the bottomless pit of irrelevance... Play "take a look around" from Limp Bizkit in a club nowadays, if you want to find out what it looks like when a drunk somebody around the age 40 feels young again, while the rest of the audience just doesn't get it, because the "zeitgeist" Limp Bizkit was depending on is dead...

[Uncle 80]

If you read some recent interviews with Borland (who by the way re-joined the band multiple times since his original 2001 exit and has been a member again since 2009) he says aging and maturing on both his and Dursts side allowed them to overcome their "tumultous relationship". He also offered an insightful commentary as to how Limp Bizkit kind of stagnated making their new album, due to Durst being kind of a perfectionist when it comes to realizing his own performance on top of music which has been finished for ages, which kind of puts a dent in the notion that Durst is the dictator of the band. Borland also partly blamed Dursts problems on the media, who has blown his "asshole persona" way out of proportions.

[vanilla_d00m]

Any song (unless its about something nasty) that makes me feel hype I have no problem with.  I first heard the song nookie from LIMP BIZKIT and I was hooked... I was trying to record it on my radio on the cassette every time It wen't on.  I had no idea what the song ment but it was really good.  Thought he talked about how much he liked cookies.

 

I think just about everyone has been a douche/a-hole/jerk/whatever at sometime.  People change later on for the better.  I believe..

Edited October 1, 2021 by vanilla_d00m

[Nine Inch Heels]

14 hours ago, Uncle 80 said:

He also offered an insightful commentary as to how Limp Bizkit kind of stagnated making their new album, due to Durst being kind of a perfectionist when it comes to realizing his own performance on top of music which has been finished for ages, which kind of puts a dent in the notion that Durst is the dictator of the band.

No, it doesn't... How Durst handles himself with regards to his own performance in the studio or on stage has no bearing on how Durst handles himself in the face of band members that he may disagree with... Sounds like conflation to me, if I'm being perfectly honest...

 

And while we're talking about perfectionism, have a look at this gem:

Durst may be lots of things.... but a perfectionist he is not... And no, this is not some equipment failure either, it's "supposed perfectionist not being any good at what he does"...

 

As for Borland re-joining the band, I suppose that's somewhat open to interpretation, but as far as I'm concerned, we can safely assume that he didn't re-join out of sheer love and respect for Fred Durst in particular... At least I'd be very surprised if that, of all things, was the reason he came back several times over...

[Uncle 80]

What does a video of Durst having a laugh with a guitar (which is not his instrument neither live or in the studio) prove against him being a supposed perfectionist regarding his studio work ethic?

[lazygecko]

How topical:

 

 

(I can't find any confirmation that this actually is a known Limp Bizkit song)

[Nine Inch Heels]

37 minutes ago, Uncle 80 said:

What does a video of Durst having a laugh with a guitar (which is not his instrument neither live or in the studio) prove against him being a supposed perfectionist regarding his studio work ethic?

It's "Fred Durst having a laugh with a guitar on stage during a concert with a live audience and failing horribly at any note he attempts to play" which is the exact opposite of something that would happen if a perfectionist, who records the same lines and notes over and over and over and over in the studio (that being repetition aka practice), would accomplish... And it is both frustrating and hilarious in equal measure that you somehow manage to refuse to make that very simple connection...

 

And while I'm on the subject of missing important links within a chain of events, I'd like to get back to this one more time:
 

On 10/1/2021 at 6:10 AM, Uncle 80 said:

He also offered an insightful commentary as to how Limp Bizkit kind of stagnated making their new album, due to Durst being kind of a perfectionist when it comes to realizing his own performance on top of music which has been finished for ages, which kind of puts a dent in the notion that Durst is the dictator of the band.

What you've been saying there amounts to the following:

 

Band needs to wait "for ages" until Durst, who is supposedly not primarily concerned with his own vision if you were to be believed, is finally done with his studio wankery... So, you got guitar, bass, drums, and the DJ waiting on one particular person, and one person only, none other than Durst, who happens to have created the outwardly image of a diva during the time the band was at its peak... And what you pointed out right there was supposed to put a dent in anything..? Not even the claim that Borland and Durst are able to sit at the same table without throwing verbal punches at each other all the time changes anything here, and that one I'm unironically willing to believe to an extent, because ageing does things to people...

[Uncle 80]

Yeah, keep taking things out of context to strengthen your "argument". I'm done here.

[Scrabbs]

Because they lived in a time before Ray William Johnson and once the public was enlightened by Ray Fred Durst feel into obscurity.

 

[Mortrixs19]

13 hours ago, lazygecko said:

How topical:

 

 

(I can't find any confirmation that this actually is a known Limp Bizkit song)

 

This is the funniest shit I've seen today