UnknDoomer Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) After check this thread some other information here and there I've realized that there is no solid list exist in case Heretic / Hexen field. They are generally rarely mentioned and often poorly known, there is no specific placement or forum exist to track one. So. The idea is to create one based on similar conditions. Rules will be a bit different here in case, I suppose, less things will be to choose / pick - vote for 3-5 WADs with up to 10 points each, i.e. total maximum is 30. By other hand it's easier to create top 5 rather to 10 from my point of view. In addition I'll also mark here a number of available maps, specific features and overall capability with the mods. Also. One more thing. Some of the wads might a be series of few, which is not so often thing for Doom or it's quite different in his case. For example Hexen sometimes has a pack of 3 or ever 4 wads that are similar in overall taste. In this case, if you want, you can vote for the series as a one wad, I'll put a links to all of them, or specific one only. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Current Tally. Voters: 11. Wads: 32. Maps: 5. 1. Faithless Trilogy (2020) [27: Not Jabba: 9, ReaperAA: 10, LadyMistDragon: 8]. Currently in beta stage. 3 episodes x 9 levels = 27 in total {3x9}. Contain new weapons, textures, monsters. Poorly compatible in some parts with gameplay modifications in case also have own one included - wad has four keys used, instead of three, custom bosses and some other things. [Cacowards 2020] [Mods-] 2. The Wayfarer (2019) [17: ReaperAA: 7, Fryoko: 10]. {1x9}. Contain own gameplay modification, vanilla+ kind of type. [Cacowards 2019] [Mods-] 3. Sold Soul (2021) [17: Not Jabba: 9, LadyMistDragon: 8]. {1x9}. Few new enemies, 1 weapon, some textures. 4. Elf Get Pissed (2015) [16: ReaperAA: 8, Fryoko: 8]. {1x9}. Regular wad. As for mods. For example you can use Heretical Doom for Heretic and Walpurgis for Hexen, or, anyhow, for both. [Cacowards 2016] [Mods+] [Wiki] 5. Shadows Of Cronos (2014) [13: Not Jabba: 4, rzh: 9]. 1 hub with 5 maps {1Hx5}. [Hexen] [Mods+] 6. The Iron Forge (2018) [10: Egregor: 10]. {1X} [MAP] 7. Call of the Apostate (2011) [10: Fryoko: 4, LadyMistDragon: 1, NaliSeed: 6]. {E3, 1x9}. [Mods+] 8. Cyrgoth's Revenge (2019) [9: NaliSeed: 9]. {1HX8}. The second in a series of three, which also contain 8.1. Cyrgoth's Manor (2019), {1HX7}, and 8.2. Afterlands (2020) [9: NaliSeed: 9]. {1HX10} [Hexen] [Mods+] 9. Quest for the Crystal Skulls (2020) [8: Fryoko: 8]. {1Hx8}. [Mods+] 10. Dungeons and Monsters (2022) [8: rzh: 8]. {E1M9}. [Mods-] 11. 4 Weeks of Pain (2019) [8: eharper256: 8]. {1x28}. [Hexen] [Mods+] 12. Penumbra [8: eharper256: 8]. {1Hx8}. [Hexen] [Mods+] 13. Necroplasm (2020+) [7: rzh: 7]. {2x8}. Currently still in development, only 4 maps of 16 are available. 14. HYMN (2013) [6: LadyMistDragon: 6]. {1x9}. [Mods+] [Wiki] 15. The Mysteries of Underville (2018) [6: NailSeed: 6]. {1X} [Mods+] 16. Tower of Chaos (2013/2021) [6: UnknDoomer: 6]. {3Hx16; 3 hubs, 16 levels}. [Hexen] [Mods+] 16.1. Sitnalta (2013/2021] {E1, 1x9}. 16.2. A New World (2014/2021) {1Hx9}. [Hexen] 16.3. Descent Into the Abyss (2021) {1Hx4}. [Hexen] 17. Hub of Pain (1996) [6: rzh: 6]. {1Hx2}. Developer of this wad was part of the team that created "Death Kings of the Dark Citadel" add-on. [Hexen] 18. Realms of Dr. Chaos (2017) [6: UnknDoomer: 6]. {3Hx1; here each map represent one episode and, by other hand, each of it is a small hub}. 18.1. Dr. Chaos - Shadows of Mars (2019) {4Hx1}. 19. Icebound (2011) [5: Not Jabba: 4, LadyMistDragon: 1]. Just one regular map that replace E1M3 {1X}. [MAP] [Cacowards 2011] [Mods+] [Wiki] 20. Dark Deity's Bastion (2011) [5: Egregor]. E1M1 {1X}. [MAP] [Mods+] 21. Treasure Chest (2010) [5: Egregor]. {contain 25 levels splited by 3 episodes}. [Mods+] [Wiki] 22. Blasphemous Experiments (2021) [5: Egregor]. {3x9}. [Mods+] 23. The Realm of Parthoris (2015) [5: Egregor]. {1x9 + E2M1}. Has a lot of custom textures. You can beat with, for example, Heretical Doom, but a lot of random crashes might happen. [Wiki] 24. UNBELIEVER (2019) [5: ReaperAA: 5]. {3x9}. Do not recommend to use the mods here in case it can lead to troubles at some levels. [Mods-] 25. Masters of Chaos (2012) [4: LadyMistDragon: 4] {3x10 + E3M11}. New weapons, monsters, graphics. Jumping allowed. [Cacowards 2012] [Wiki] 26. Curse of D'Sparil (2010) [4: Not Jabba: 4]. {E3 (replace for third episode), 1x9}. [Cacowards 2010] [Mods+] [Wiki] 27. Talparun (2011/2021) [4: eharper256: 4] {3X} [Hexen] [Mods+] 28. Scourge of Viscerus (2010). [4: eharper256: 4] {1Hx7} [Hexen] [Wiki] 29. Riverwood Village (2004) [3: eharper256: 3] {1X} [Hexen] [MAP] 30. Shades of Darkness (2018) [3: eharper256: 3] {1Hx5} [Hexen] [Mods-] 31. Realms of Cronos (2019/2021) [3: UnknDoomer: 3] {1Hx9} [Hexen] [Mods+] 32. Shadowcaster (2002) [2: LadyMistDragon: 2] {E5, 1x9}. [Mods+] Edited November 13, 2022 by UnknDoomer 15 Share this post Link to post
Not Jabba Posted November 3, 2021 So max of 30 points total for 3-5 wads? Faithless Trilogy: 9 Sold Soul: 9 Curse of D'Sparil: 4 Icebound: 4 Shadows of Cronos: 4 0 Share this post Link to post
ReaperAA Posted November 3, 2021 10: Faithless Trilogy 8: Elf Gets Pissed 7: The Wayfarer 5: Unbeliever Honestly, these are all the Heretic wads that I have played :p 0 Share this post Link to post
UnknDoomer Posted November 3, 2021 (edited) Quote So max of 30 points total for 3-5 wads? Yes. Quote Honestly, these are all the Heretic wads that I have played :p Well. Another reason to fill the list. Perhaps you will find something new after. Edited November 3, 2021 by UnknDoomer 1 Share this post Link to post
Fryuko Posted November 3, 2021 10: The Wayfarer 8: Quest for the Crystal skulls 8: Elf Gets Pissed 4: Call of the Apostate Unfortunately I haven't played Many other than the well known releases 0 Share this post Link to post
leodoom85 Posted November 3, 2021 Might I say that Heretic Treasure Chest and 20 Heretics Challenge are another 2 Heretic wads that I've played (HTC is well known but kinda forgotten lately and 20HC is much less known). There aren't much Heretic content, sadly... Ah yeah...there's HUMP too. 0 Share this post Link to post
UnknDoomer Posted November 3, 2021 @leodoom85, I can add them too, if you will put some grades. 1 Share this post Link to post
LadyMistDragon Posted November 4, 2021 Faithless: 8 SoldSoul: 8 HYMN A Heretic Community Project:6 Masters of Chaos: 4 Icebound:3 Call of the Apostate: 1 0 Share this post Link to post
UnknDoomer Posted November 4, 2021 (edited) Well. First major goal achieved - now we have top 10+. I've also added Cacowards tags today. I guess "end point" of the regular renewable list of 50+ wads with around ~ 80-100+ voters can be count as fine for "final stage" in case of Heretic/Hexen field. Which will be about ~ 1/5 of Doom results of creations and ~ 1/2 of voters after about two years+ of last topic exist for that purpose. 1 Share this post Link to post
Egregor Posted November 5, 2021 This is a pretty good idea! Here's a few significant efforts that haven't yet shown up on this list. I'm not really sure how to rate them, I just want to get them on the list so ill give them all 5s: (5) Dark Deity's Bastion (2011) https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/heretic/Ports/bastion (5) Heretic Treasure Chest (2010) http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/index.php?file=levels/heretic/Ports/htchest.zip (5) Blasphemous Experiments (2021) (5) Realm of Parthoris (2015) 0 Share this post Link to post
Egregor Posted November 5, 2021 UnknDoomer; it would be helpful if in the OP you made a distinction between Heretic and Hexen for each entry. This should help with making the list more user friendly. 1 Share this post Link to post
UnknDoomer Posted November 5, 2021 (edited) Egregor, Hexen has a tag [Hexen]. 1 Share this post Link to post
Egregor Posted November 5, 2021 1 minute ago, UnknDoomer said: Egregor, Hexen has a tag [Hexen]. My mistake! 0 Share this post Link to post
baja blast rd. Posted November 5, 2021 Neat idea. A couple suggestions: tags would be cleaner exclusively on the right side of an entry, so that wads could be in a neat aligned row, like: 5. Quest for the Crystal Skulls (2020) [8: Fryoko: 8]. {1Hx8}. [Mods+] 6. UNBELIEVER (2019) [5: ReaperAA: 5]. {3x9}. Do not recommend to use the mods here in case it can lead to troubles at some levels. 7. Curse of D'sparil (2010) [4: Not Jabba: 4]. {E3 (replace for third episode), 1x9}. [Cacowards 2010] [Mods+] 8. Icebound (2011) [7: Not Jabba: 4, LadyMistDragon: 3]. Just one regular map that replace E1M3 {1X}. [Cacowards 2011] [Mods+] [MAP] That is a lot easier to read. Also since you're using the Cacoward tags, I'm glad you're giving awards and runners-up no differentiation, because they are definitionally near-identical anyway. 1 Share this post Link to post
UnknDoomer Posted November 5, 2021 tags would be cleaner exclusively on the right side of an entry Done. 2 Share this post Link to post
LadyMistDragon Posted December 8, 2021 Updated list Faithless: 8 SoldSoul: 8 HYMN A Heretic Community Project:6 Masters of Chaos: 4 Shadowcaster:2 Icebound: 1 Call of the Apostate: 1 1 Share this post Link to post
UnknDoomer Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) Quote Shadowcaster:2 Icebound: 1 Basically change of one estimate and one new wad. Updated. 0 Share this post Link to post
UnknDoomer Posted April 27, 2022 (edited) 6 points for quadrology from ArgonianLord, which contain: Tower of Chaos: Special Edition, Heretic: Sitnalta, HeXen: A New World (ANW), Descent Into the Abyss. Joint they represent interesting story with nicely customized levels, especially the last wad, which also contain new mage classes. Edited May 10, 2022 by UnknDoomer 0 Share this post Link to post
Egregor Posted May 12, 2022 I'm not sure how to score this but it definitely belongs on this list, if not at the top of it. Great work Xaser and Not Jabba! 0 Share this post Link to post
UnknDoomer Posted May 12, 2022 (edited) Will count as 10 points, based on usual statistics we have here. 0 Share this post Link to post
rzh Posted May 12, 2022 I chose Necroplasm (7) and Dungeons and Monsters (8) for Heretic, followed by Hub of Pain (6) and Shadows of Cronos (9) for Hexen. 0 Share this post Link to post
eharper256 Posted May 13, 2022 I would honestly split up Heretic and Hexen wads. But since we have so few Hexen wads on the list here, I'll purely add some of those: 4 Weeks of Pain [8] Penumbra [8] Talparun [4] Scourge of Viscerus [4] Village of Riverwood [3] Shades [3] 1 Share this post Link to post
UnknDoomer Posted May 13, 2022 (edited) Quote Shades [3] You mean this one https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?style=12&f=42&t=60075, I suppose? There is a wad with the name "Shades", but for Doom, one map only. Update. Confirmed that it is Shades of Darkness. Edited May 15, 2022 by UnknDoomer 0 Share this post Link to post
UnknDoomer Posted May 25, 2022 (edited) Currently playing, but was impressed by the local horror kind atmosphere and music, so in advance 6 points to the dilogy "Realms of Dr. Chaos" & "Dr. Chaos - Shadows of Mars". Edited May 25, 2022 by UnknDoomer 0 Share this post Link to post
UnknDoomer Posted May 28, 2022 (edited) Quote I would honestly split up Heretic and Hexen wads. BTW, in addition to what I've told before. Few wads, especially nowadays, might be hard mixed in case what Hexen originally represent in compare to original Heretic - hub/portals system, new enemies and so on. Faithless: Trilogy is just one of a basic examples of such good combination. It's still Heretic, but many things that was usual for Hexen, took a place there. Edited November 19, 2022 by UnknDoomer 0 Share this post Link to post
UnknDoomer Posted June 1, 2022 (edited) 3 points for Realms of Cronos (2019/2021), https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=66255 for Hexen. It's pretty solid wad with a polished textures, interesting puzzles and new enemies types and I might rate it as 6, but it suffer from a lot of random crashes and lags, especially in huge castle location, while also one level seems to be unplayable near the end, which leads to fact you need to use noclip to skip one and finish the wad. It might be a matter of latest GzDoom (4.7.1) thing still, but few folks confirm MAP06 troubles, as well as lags. 0 Share this post Link to post
NaliSeed Posted October 30, 2022 Cyrgoth's Revenge (9) and Afterlands (9), both for Hexen; I honestly can't decide which one's better. For Heretic I'd say: Call of the Apostate (6) The Mysteries of Underville (6) 0 Share this post Link to post
UnknDoomer Posted October 31, 2022 (edited) @NaliSeed, added. Meanwhile a road to top 100 wads partly passed at the milestone of ~ 1/3 - list contain 32 wads and 5 maps now. 0 Share this post Link to post