YouTube is removing dislikes.

[magicsofa]

7 hours ago, NoXion said:

I think for a lot of people, the issue is not so much the removal of the dislike counter in and of itself, but rather that such a move is as much a statement from YouTube as it is a minor UI change.

 

There is a widespread perception, one that cuts across political lines, that the corporate and political elites of our society view the common person with a kind of contempt. Moves like this from YouTube feed this perception, and personally I don't think it's entirely incorrect. It also reinforces the notion that YouTube is more interested in getting into bed with Old Media, rather than supporting the creators and their audiences which brought YouTube to the position it is today.

The fact that YouTube is doing this rather than trying to deal with the porn, misinformation, abuse and spammers speaks a lot about where their true priorities lie. I don't think it's unreasonable for ordinary people to get pissed off when big corporations start jerking each other off at the expense of everyone else.

I don't think "contempt" is exactly the right word. It's not that they want to punish their customers - they just want to control them. So yes, in a way it's like "looking down upon" the masses, but the key point is that they depend on the masses for their business to make money. I think the underlying statement, if any, is just "we think this is more profitable." Remember, corporations don't have feelings. They are machines that maximize profit and nothing else. They will get in bed with any organization that seems like it will bring in more cash, and cut ties with any that are costing. Moral decisions come from human beings, and (hopefully) government regulation based on the will of the people and the Right Thing to Do. Companies have morals imposed upon them, and that will never change. You wouldn't expect a chainsaw to stop cutting because it didn't want to hurt you, right?

[DarkIceCyclone]

15 hours ago, Biodegradable said:

 

They all mean "Like", mate. You're overthinking it, you Stupid Bunny! ;^) :^P

 

15 hours ago, Stupid Bunny said:

 

Doomworld debatably doesn't have any likes either.  I guess a soulsphere is a like, a megasphere is a super like or maybe a wow, an invulnerability sphere is...an invincible like?  Is it laughing?  I'm not even sure what the hell a "partial invisibility" reac is supposed to convey.  Ooooh maybe that's the tack YouTube should take: instead of removing the dislike button, replace both buttons with cryptic symbols that are highly open to interpretation

 

I'm not too beat up about this, at least in the specific sense that the like/dislike ratio never meant that much to me anyway.  Granted it's a thoroughly pointless decision and I don't doubt that YouTube is making it entirely for the most cynical and ignoble of reasons, but it's also nothing we're not already used to.

Actually I thought similarly.

 

Soulsphere is like

Megasphere is like but disagree

Invulnerbility is superlike

Invisibility is "this post should be deleted"

 

Soooo yhea, he isn't the only one.

[Biodegradable]

Found an edit of that "was I a good boy" dog comic related to the subject at hand over on Twitter.

 

[Azuris]

In the Future there will be a: "Like this Post to Dislike!"

 

They should have made it just as a Choice for the Content Uploader, the same es disabling Comments.
Its clear that they have removed it for bigger Companies, so they can hide a big Backlash.

 

[omx32x]

On 11/12/2021 at 12:03 AM, AtticTelephone said:

At this point, somebody should just make a YouTube alternative. This is an insanely stupid move that they made just so that they could stop people from disrespecting them and the brands they work with, somewhat similar to demonetization. How sensitive do you have to be to remove censorship from your entire platform just because people disagree with how you and the people you work with manage the site?

oh there are alternatives lots of them but... you are going after youtube...

 

not only is it expensive as fuck to make but also brands dont put ads on the alternatives making the switch from youtube be financial suicide to any independent creator

[Beginner]

Considering video uploaders already could just nuke rating and comments from their videos on a per-video basis the global removal of dislikes seemed completely unnecessary and provided reasoning for the feature removal is completely retarded. What is also weird is that their "hide +\- ratio from the public" option replaces the "disable rating from the video" option. I mean, they aren't going to remove the stigma that whoever enabled this for their videos is a massive bitch who can't handle getting disliked a lot.

[scalliano]

Score another victory for the political and corporate establishment.

 

Comments will be next. Accept your fate, plebians.

[DarkIceCyclone]

53 minutes ago, scalliano said:

Score another victory for the political and corporate establishment.

 

Comments will be next. Accept your fate, plebians.

Wrong attitude. Plebians have a crapton of power over the elite. The elites job is to make sure the the group who have insane power, don't realize how much real power they have. Once the group or worse, masses, realize that...well...history is full of examples of that in form of revolutions, independence movements, partisan movements and all the other movements that have caused literal downfalls of governments, or even more, whole countries

[AtticTelephone]

3 minutes ago, DarkIceCyclone said:

Wrong attitude. Plebians have a crapton of power over the elite.

Yeah, you're right, but the elites have heavily reduced the will for people to actually fix problems and motivate them to fight amongst themselves over trivial issues.

Plus Scal was probably joking.

[Biodegradable]

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the comments section was removed for the exact same bullshit reasoning in a couple years time. Would've seemed infathomable a decade ago, but now it's only a matter of time for the right people to complain.

[act]

You know what? I would say to everyone "Oh boy this is terrible!" but I'm willing to bet more than half of you went with the logic, beliefs, ideologies, and thought processes that lead to YouTube taking away dislikes. You let this happen. You allowed this to occur. You went with it. Not me; you. You chose this. And you'll keep going with it, you'll keep accepting it with a smile on your damn face. Hell, you'll still be okay with it when a squad of guys wearing body armour and blue helmets come to your doorstep and seize everything you own under "eminent domain during a national emergency" or whateverthehell, and shove you in an "emergency housing unit", where you'll be worked to death until they get fed up with feeding you corn syrup and whatever garbage they don't feed to the crickets, where then they'll put a bullet through your head, and your body - with a wide, grinning smile on it - will be chucked in an unmarked mass grave. You chose that. You're choosing it right now. As you're reading these words, and you start to feel like I'm some vague negative figure you were told to hate, you're choosing that fate.

 

Or something, I don't know. I'm just writing this as some edgy joke. This no dislike thing is garbage.

[Captain red pants]

2 hours ago, act said:

Not me; you. You chose this.

Boy you know what grinds my gears? That dang cancel culture! If only there was something these tech companies could do about these masses of people expressing there dislike of something.

[Major Arlene]

2 hours ago, act said:

You know what? I would say to everyone "Oh boy this is terrible!" but I'm willing to bet more than half of you went with the logic, beliefs, ideologies, and thought processes that lead to YouTube taking away dislikes. You let this happen. You allowed this to occur. You went with it. Not me; you. You chose this. And you'll keep going with it, you'll keep accepting it with a smile on your damn face. Hell, you'll still be okay with it when a squad of guys wearing body armour and blue helmets come to your doorstep and seize everything you own under "eminent domain during a national emergency" or whateverthehell, and shove you in an "emergency housing unit", where you'll be worked to death until they get fed up with feeding you corn syrup and whatever garbage they don't feed to the crickets, where then they'll put a bullet through your head, and your body - with a wide, grinning smile on it - will be chucked in an unmarked mass grave. You chose that. You're choosing it right now. As you're reading these words, and you start to feel like I'm some vague negative figure you were told to hate, you're choosing that fate.

 

Or something, I don't know. I'm just writing this as some edgy joke. This no dislike thing is garbage.

literally shut up

[Dubbag]

2 hours ago, act said:

You know what? I would say to everyone "Oh boy this is terrible!" but I'm willing to bet more than half of you went with the logic, beliefs, ideologies, and thought processes that lead to YouTube taking away dislikes. You let this happen. You allowed this to occur. You went with it. Not me; you. You chose this. And you'll keep going with it, you'll keep accepting it with a smile on your damn face. Hell, you'll still be okay with it when a squad of guys wearing body armour and blue helmets come to your doorstep and seize everything you own under "eminent domain during a national emergency" or whateverthehell, and shove you in an "emergency housing unit", where you'll be worked to death until they get fed up with feeding you corn syrup and whatever garbage they don't feed to the crickets, where then they'll put a bullet through your head, and your body - with a wide, grinning smile on it - will be chucked in an unmarked mass grave. You chose that. You're choosing it right now. As you're reading these words, and you start to feel like I'm some vague negative figure you were told to hate, you're choosing that fate.

 

Or something, I don't know. I'm just writing this as some edgy joke. This no dislike thing is garbage.

Yeah, I remember when the end of the world began. It all started in 2021 when Youtube disabled dislikes. ask me how ive survived this long...that I can't tell you because even I don't know.

[CompleteAbsoluteAnarchy]

It's a bad move sure but god damnnnn do I wish some viable alternative could be made.

 

Most promising ones have crashed and burned due to lack of finances or other reasons, and the only ones still up are filled with white supremacist garbage (i.e. BitChute).

[DSC]

I'm incredibly surprised this measure is being so negatively received... Wasn't dislikes the same exact reason people hated Reddit?

[Biodegradable]

38 minutes ago, DSC said:

I'm incredibly surprised this measure is being so negatively received... Wasn't dislikes the same exact reason people hated Reddit?

 

No, that's a false equivalence, DSC. YouTube's dislike button doesn't function the same way as Reddit's downvote button does at all. YouTube's ecosystem is entirely interaction based, which means a video only needs attention to do well be it negative or positive, it doesn't matter. While a highly downvoted Reddit post pushes it further and further down the page and gets buried to the point virtually nobody will see it anymore, a highly disliked YouTube video will still perform very well.

Edited November 14, 2021 by Biodegradable

[Gothic]

1 hour ago, DSC said:

I'm incredibly surprised this measure is being so negatively received... Wasn't dislikes the same exact reason people hated Reddit?

I though people hated Reddit because the Reddit userbase was shit, not because of the downvotes.

[CrocMagnum]

46 minutes ago, Gothic said:

I though people hated Reddit because the Reddit userbase was shit, not because of the downvotes.

 

Quite frankly it depends on the subreddit you're on. The "Deus Ex" and "patientgamers" subreddits are quite friendly for instance. 

 

Concerning the downvotes in Reddit I agree with @Biodegradable. Youtube dislikes and Reddit downvotes don't work the same. 

 

My beef with reddit is that a worthy post can often be sent down the pits of hell. It is especially noticeable is subreddits where there's a lot of "meme posts" (to say it politely^^), these can gather a few thousand upvotes in a few hours. Now take it with a grain of salt, but in my view the downvotes in reddit -as they work now- can allow manipulation.  

 

Now concerning Youtube, when I notice a vid having 5K dislikes or more I know there's probably something controversial going on (like a huge rant against a game developer's game for instance). 

[hybridial]

5 minutes ago, CrocMagnum said:

Now concerning Youtube, when I notice a vid having 5K dislikes or more I know there's probably something controversial going on (like a huge rant against a game developer's game for instance). 

 

 

Skip to the end to see just why this video has its ratio :P

[DJVCardMaster]

Meme SJW company. Sadly, no good alternatives.

[AnotherGrunt]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-disliked_YouTube_videos

 

Hmm, I smell Justin Bieber involved ;-)

[HavoX]

There's also the YouTube video with the Happy Tree Friends characters YouTube did in collaboration with Mondo. It was about Russell and tells us about how Youtube's copyright system works.

 

 

Obviously, it got a BOATLOAD of dislikes.

Edited November 14, 2021 by HavoX

[Nine Inch Heels]

16 hours ago, scalliano said:

Score another victory for the political and corporate establishment. 

 

Comments will be next. Accept your fate, plebians.

Yes, they're 100% going to remove one of the main incentives for "engagement" because nobody likes to earn any money anyway, especially not YouTube... /S

[Katamori]

1 hour ago, Nine Inch Heels said:

Yes, they're 100% going to remove one of the main incentives for "engagement" because nobody likes to earn any money anyway, especially not YouTube... /S

 

I'm also not fan of this constant inciting of fear about how oUr fReEdOmS aNd cOnTrOl is taken away from us, feels demagogue most of the time.

 

A lot of people here were also talking about Youtube alternative, but can we acknowledge for a moment, how a specific subset of alternatives (censorship-"resistant" platforms) have become cesspools of garbage? Have any of you ever seen the frontpages of Odysee or Bitchute?! Is this really what you want instead of Youtube?

 

If nothing else, the last 6 years (about the beginning of the European migrant crisis and the start of the Trump campaign) showed how much we need content control and moderation. And it stays true even if some people call is cEnSoRsHiP: sometimes corporate interest and the interest of us, "regular people" can overlap. You should appreciate it more.

 

That said, Youtube is also garbage indeed, for a whole variety of issues, and I also admit that dislikes can be a form of content control. Sadly though, Reddit shows how it can be exploited too, and on Youtube it also had a lot of misguided use of that feature. Hell, even I was brigaded by dislikes a handful of times - I'm not missing those days. So I don't give two damns about them not being displayed anymore.

 

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One final note: someone earlier mentioned how he uses invidio.us instances for the better UI. It's important to see that if you really want an alternative, having a spectacular UI and UX can be a very, very good start. Just see how Revolut became a "unicorn" startup, a literal giant, reaching billions of dollars in value, by simply offering a better UI/UX for things regular banks did not care about for decades.

[Nine Inch Heels]

19 minutes ago, Katamori said:

I'm also not fan of this constant inciting of fear about how oUr fReEdOmS aNd cOnTrOl is taken away from us, feels demagogue most of the time.

I mean.... If you are able to think just a little bit past the obvious it should be more than self-evident that they'll never undermine the value of their comment section after implementing a change that is literally meant to make the comment section that much more important for anybody who wants to see how well or poorly-received any given video is...

 

Yeah, they're talking about being inclusive and whatever the fuck else they pulled out of the buzzwords-cabinet, but obviously they want to make sure people watch videos in their entirety, rather than seeing them click the next best thing because the dislikes are overwhelming... Likewise, they want to make sure people spend more time with the comments, and I wouldn't be surprised if the comment section itself would be used for additional "ad-space" in the near future... another thing I am half-expecting is that they'll somehow mess around with what the platform does if the video you watched has been watched to the end... If they notice that people spend more time reading, then they might consider having ads on a timer that plays them back automatically...

 

But anyway, no sane person would ever expect them to remove the comment section, they've always left that up to the content creators, and even those who disable comments don't particularly like doing so...

[LadyMistDragon]

22 hours ago, act said:

You know what? I would say to everyone "Oh boy this is terrible!" but I'm willing to bet more than half of you went with the logic, beliefs, ideologies, and thought processes that lead to YouTube taking away dislikes. You let this happen. You allowed this to occur. You went with it. Not me; you. You chose this. And you'll keep going with it, you'll keep accepting it with a smile on your damn face. Hell, you'll still be okay with it when a squad of guys wearing body armour and blue helmets come to your doorstep and seize everything you own under "eminent domain during a national emergency" or whateverthehell, and shove you in an "emergency housing unit", where you'll be worked to death until they get fed up with feeding you corn syrup and whatever garbage they don't feed to the crickets, where then they'll put a bullet through your head, and your body - with a wide, grinning smile on it - will be chucked in an unmarked mass grave. You chose that. You're choosing it right now. As you're reading these words, and you start to feel like I'm some vague negative figure you were told to hate, you're choosing that fate.

 

Or something, I don't know. I'm just writing this as some edgy joke. This no dislike thing is garbage.

I'll admit some parts of this made me chuckle at first, until I started thinking about the lowtax thread and realizing how shit like this starting out as jokes end up becoming reality when the people who made the jokes see the effect they're having and start buying into their own bullshit. Please avoid this sort of talk in the future, it's just asking for someone to throw up a 'gamers rise up' meme.

[Azuris]

On 11/14/2021 at 3:20 AM, Biodegradable said:

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the comments section was removed for the exact same bullshit reasoning in a couple years time. Would've seemed infathomable a decade ago, but now it's only a matter of time for the right people to complain.

 

I think not, the Problem is, the Comment Section causes Attention by having controversial Beings fighing each other.

 

Thats why i believe it has nothing to do to save People from a toxic Enviroment, more to save Companies from having a Video with bad Reputation.

 

The last Video that made News was Nintendo with its Expansion Pack, People downvoted it because of the Price.

Having such a Indicator for a Company Desicion that comes in the News can bring Investors to overthink their Invest ;)

 

On the other Hand, i've seen scientific and documentational Channels deactivate the Comments on Topics that can cause controversial Exchanges of "Opinions".

 

So the Tool to kill such toxic Behaviour from the Beginning is there.

[Ralphis]

As someone with a relatively large channel, I don't see this as a big deal. Very few social platforms have a dislike button. When I go to a restaurant and don't care for it, I just decide not to go there anymore. Seems like the same principle applies here. If you don't like a video just move on from it and patronize the creators that you do like. Spending any significant time thinking about how much you hate certain media is not a healthy way to live.

[MLGari]

Good news everyone 
https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/youtube-appears-to-backflip-on-controversial-dislike-removal-announcement/news-story/86181d62171e6d58023bf076bf059881

Youtube has reversed the change quietly due to backlash