Dillar Posted November 18, 2021 Hey all, I fiend for the really hard stuff; late Scythe/Scythe 2, Sunlust, Okuplok... any suggestions or resources for great wads that strive for that level of difficulty without resorting to pure slaughter? 0 Share this post Link to post
JadingTsunami Posted November 18, 2021 That's what I was aiming for with this set, if you find it interesting. 2 Share this post Link to post
Jacek Bourne Posted November 18, 2021 Many maps in frog and toad do not use slaughter combat yet are very difficult. Especially map09 and 10. 2 Share this post Link to post
Lucky_Edie Posted November 18, 2021 To be clear frog, toad, frog_and_toad are all different wads. Click the name at the top to download https://dsdarchive.com/wads/frog https://dsdarchive.com/wads/toad https://dsdarchive.com/wads/frog_and_toad Good luck getting through all of them 2 Share this post Link to post
Meowgi Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) I'm not really sure what qualifies as "pure slaughter" for you if Okuplok doesn't, but check out some of Ribbiks' other work: Stardate 20x6, Stardate 20x7, Swim with the Whales, Magnolia Seconding Frog, Toad, and Frog & Toad nosp2, nosp3 also Sunder 1 Share this post Link to post
Plats Posted November 18, 2021 39 minutes ago, Meowgi said: I'm not really sure what qualifies as "pure slaughter" for you if Okuplok doesn't, but check out some of Ribbiks' other work: Stardate 20x6, Stardate 20x7, Swim with the Whales, Magnolia Seconding Frog, Toad, and Frog & Toad nosp2, nosp3 also Sunder Sunder is huge slaughter as well as nosp2 and 3 2 Share this post Link to post
Nirvana Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) Try Skepland, Nefertiti, eaxt, and some DD stuff like Grime or NoChance. There's also Swift Death if you want combat puzzle stuff. Your definition of slaughter seems odd though, since Oku is maybe the definition of 'pure slaughter.' 2 Share this post Link to post
Meowgi Posted November 18, 2021 21 minutes ago, Plats said: Sunder is huge slaughter as well as nosp2 and 3 Okuplok is "huge slaughter", and he wants stuff like it according to his post :) 0 Share this post Link to post
Nirvana Posted November 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, Meowgi said: Okuplok is "huge slaughter", and he wants stuff like it according to his post :) OP says "without resorting to pure slaughter" so it's assumed they want stuff that is smaller scale. It's a confusing post though, so who knows. 1 Share this post Link to post
Yumheart Posted November 18, 2021 Ya ever played Saturnine Chapel by dobugabumaru? Despite only having like 100 monsters on UV, it's pretty tough. 1 Share this post Link to post
Dillar Posted November 18, 2021 Yeah I guess what I like about Okuplok is the inventinve fight design and not the slaughter elements, sorry if that was unclear 1 Share this post Link to post
hakros Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, Dillar said: Hey all, I fiend for the really hard stuff; late Scythe/Scythe 2, Sunlust, Okuplok... any suggestions or resources for great wads that strive for that level of difficulty without resorting to pure slaughter? Hi My first map is like a slaughterwad, but only at last areas. It is not the typical small map with all the enemies together like NUTS2 or Okuplok, this is a very large map with progressive difficult. It is prepared to play in coop i've played it last week with 2 friends. If you want to give it a try, here it is. https://hakros.itch.io/hakros-complex 0 Share this post Link to post
galileo31dos01 Posted November 18, 2021 +1 Skepland, perfect example of what you're looking for Ave Exitium and Saturnine Chapel, two very punishing puzzle-combat single maps Ol' No Name, more about continuously putting you through mean-spirited small-scaled pincer traps than of "high-difficulty", though there are a handful setups that wouldn't feel out in the slaughter genre. My recent wad called GoopW maybe, again not hard by any stretch though it's intense while not slaughtery imo. By extent, Sticky Blood is a small bloody single map I was inspired by. 5 Share this post Link to post
Valboom Posted November 18, 2021 Try Urania! https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/megawads/urania 3 Share this post Link to post
bioshockfan90 Posted November 18, 2021 Resurgence and Speed of Doom. https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/resurge https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/sodfinal 3 Share this post Link to post
Bridgeburner56 Posted November 18, 2021 Dimensions, Criticality, Entropy, Magnolia 2 Share this post Link to post
Dillar Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) Magnolia is definitely a good example, I loved the fights but I kind of hate 'confusing' maps and I found myself getting lost and stuck really often. Legit couldn't figure out map 01 even with watching youtube walkthroughs Similarly I thought maskim Xul was super cool but I didn't like having to watch walkthroughs just to make progress Thanks for the suggests everyone! Edited November 18, 2021 by Dillar 0 Share this post Link to post
leodoom85 Posted November 18, 2021 Base Ganymede and Concerned, for Doom, came to my mind right now for some hard and non-slaughter-themed wads. 0 Share this post Link to post
Nine Inch Heels Posted November 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Captain POLAND said: rjsloth A man of culture right there, ladies and gentlemen... 4 Share this post Link to post
Andromeda Posted November 19, 2021 Some classic suggestions: Hell Revealed Hell Revealed II Alien Vendetta Plutonia 2 Kama Sutra 2 Share this post Link to post
Captain POLAND Posted November 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Nine Inch Heels said: A man of culture right there, ladies and gentlemen... I never played it, just heard it's hard and not slaughter. 0 Share this post Link to post
ducon Posted November 19, 2021 4 hours ago, Andromeda said: Some classic suggestions: Hell Revealed Hell Revealed II Alien Vendetta Plutonia 2 Kama Sutra :D Non-slaughter, he asked. :p Thus, Cyber dreams. I remember such questions a long time ago and if you dig this forum, you might find the thread where I found bbb and ccc. bbbccc.zip 0 Share this post Link to post
pcorf Posted November 19, 2021 5 hours ago, Andromeda said: Some classic suggestions:Hell Revealed Yeah, way too easy! :D 1 Share this post Link to post
Grain of Salt Posted November 19, 2021 Arch-Vile Jump. The whole wad, but particularly map32, which combines the av jump challenge aspect with puzzles, platforming and confusing non-linear progression, and takes like an hour even in a speedrun. There are harder platforming levels out there, and harder puzzles, etc, but surely there are no other maps that combine all of these skills at such a punishing level. 6 Share this post Link to post
Lingyan203 Posted November 20, 2021 On 11/18/2021 at 1:52 PM, bioshockfan90 said: Resurgence and Speed of Doom. https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/resurge https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/sodfinal Resurgence and Speed of Doom have some slaughter maps. 1 Share this post Link to post
Dillar Posted November 20, 2021 Went ahead and categorized what I could on here for my own purposes, but hopefully someone else will find this useful as well... CLASSIC MEGAWADS: Plutonia/Plutonia 2 Alien Vendetta Hell Revealed/Hell Revealed II Kama Sutra RIBBIKS: Sunlust (megawad) Frog/Toad/Frog And Toad (puzzle/platforming) Stardate 20x6/20x7 Swim with the Whales Magnolia Nefertiti SLAUGHTER: Nosp2/Nosp3 Sunder Okuplok SINGLE MAPS: Skepland X-treme (erik alm) No-chance/Grime Criticality Saturnine chapel Ave Exitium MEGAWADS: Urania Speed of Doom Base Ganymede ULTIMATE DOOM: Concerned (E1-E3) Crusades (E4) THE INFAMOUS 3 (at least to me): Dimensions Entropy Flotsam JUMP/PLATFORMING: Rjsloth Masterjumps Arch-vile jump VARIOUS: Cyber dreams (combat puzzle megawad) Nostaglia Ain't What It Used to Be Ol' No Name Left a few off as I couldn't find information about them. Thanks for the suggestions everyone; happy hunting! 2 Share this post Link to post
bioshockfan90 Posted November 20, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Lingyan203 said: Resurgence and Speed of Doom have some slaughter maps. I'll admit, you got me there. I never beat either of them, but from what I recall the first half of SoD falls within OP's range, whereas Resurgence I can see being a lot harder (I was WAY worse at doom when I played the wad), and I'm sure the later maps get a lot harder. But generally, I'd consider SoD and Resurgence to be on the more accessible end of the slaughter spectrum, especially when you take into account some of the other recommendations here. EDIT: 2 hours ago, Dillar said: Went ahead and categorized what I could on here for my own purposes, but hopefully someone else will find this useful as well... Fantastic list, will definitely be putting this to use. Thanks for bringing this conversation onto this forum! :) 0 Share this post Link to post