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Cirque0011

Later comer, I know. Difficulty question

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I'm 43 years old and was a gamer in the initial Wolfenstein and Doom I days.  

I purchased Doom Eternal recently.  It was my first return to gaming consoles since SNES (PS4).  Offline gamer.

I finished Eternal without too much difficulty - what was expected. I've finished Doom 1,2 and 3 as well as Eternal.

 

Recebtly I found a copy of Doom 2016 and was so excited.  But for one reason, I find this game HARD.  Did most of you or any of you find 2016 harder than Eternal?  I'm determined to complete it as I am a slave to the Doom franchise.

 

Just curious 

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I might lean more towards Eternal being more difficult overall but 2016 isn't a slouch when it comes to playing rough, far from it. I can see someone getting really comfortable with Eternal's dash and having a hard time to adjusting without it. They can both be a tricky and fun time.

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Welcome Welcome,

I kind of agree with you but only when I play it on harder difficulties like the Ultra-Nightmare, even though I never had the mood to try Eternal.

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I'd say 2016 is a bit harder at the start since you start out pretty weak without any movement skills or upgrades, but once you get near the middle of the game and start to get some extremely overpowered perks and weapons you can pretty much steamroll everything, especially since (I think) the baron in the first hell level is the last time that a new enemy type gets introduced, so the fights don't really get much harder after that point. So I'd say that if you can get past the first few missions then you already did the hardest stuff in the game and the rest should be okay.

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On 11/20/2021 at 7:44 AM, Cirque0011 said:

Recebtly I found a copy of Doom 2016 and was so excited.  But for one reason, I find this game HARD.  Did most of you or any of you find 2016 harder than Eternal?  I'm determined to complete it as I am a slave to the Doom franchise.

 

I did not but the gameplay changes in alot ways, if you know what quick switching is in doom eternal, that's not in 2016 (I'm pretty sure it isn't)

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Doom Eternal is more difficult all the way through.

 

Doom 2016 becomes a breeze and never gets hard again once you get the upgraded SSG and gauss cannon about halfway through.

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Doom Eternal is a difficult game in the way it forces you to play in a very specific way. 2016 allows you way more freedom which makes it easier in that respect.  

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I find early 2016 harder because of the predictive aim. Once you get more weapons and the enemies become more varied the difficulty drops off. Eternal is more consistent in it's difficulty and draws more from mechanical skill, requiring less positioning due to it being easier to recover damage. Since I mainly practice combos and movement over strategy, I tend to find the first two maps in 2016 to be hardest, but after that I don't have much of an issue.

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i actually have Doom 1+2 (GZdoom), Doom 3 (+ROE), Doom (2016), Doom Eternal

 

all modded, HD Textures (at least HD) and reshaded (Carmaks reshade is for free and does wonders)

and i can honestly say Doom 2016 is definately something that you can play, its arcade style but not over the top like eternal is

 

 

- so while Doom1+2 have a creative fanbase many many levels wont age that well and cannot be upgraded beyond a certain point.

 

- doom 3 is the most classic approach, comparatively slower paced survival shooter which is a ton of fun (and thats my version with boosted weapons and twice as many enemies), a bit run and gun, but also retreat and taking cover while shooting

 

- doom 2016 is still fun but the combat goes into the direction that movement is more and more important so you run around firing your stuff, and it didnt help either that the grunts a now firing "plasma bolts" just for the reason that you can dodge them while running around i the open.

there is some platforming but it doesnt break immersion too much (even if there are a lot of "jump pads"). so its not like the devil build a ninja-warrior parcour for you in hell.

snap map is forgetable and will only bring up low quality, non immersive maps but that may also be just because the arcade style of 2016 is already quite forgetable.

 

- Doom Eternal is all the way over the top, starting flat out with double jump and give you double dash (+pill boosted) right i the first levels, jump pads all over the place ...

which resulty in some groteske parcour-like nonsense (swing over bars, while dashishng buttons to open gates while shoot stuff to open someting more), which definately kills every immersion (as if the devil or cultist build a parcour for you -- lols) and makes the game a platformer with some combat that is only "interesting" due to artitficial shortage of ammo.

 

which is a shame since doom eternal offers really great landscapes and visuals, and could have been so much more, so much better, so much more immersive

 

EDIT: Forgot to mention that "doom slayer" in doom eternal orbits earth in his "doom fortress" which looks like a transsylvanian castle but should be a satelite or whatever. this also flesh out again how goofy doom eternal is. in 2016 in contrary ID renounced on these things which make it the better game. eternal is goofy.

 

i use mods on all games, and also extended the mods.

so vanilla doom3 with it "spread 22" shotgun was also "strange" in that regard.

so as if they didnt find a better way to balance the shotgun (which obviously is possible)

 

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EDIT II:

 

Maybe i was a bit harsh though.

 

I have to admit that DOOM ETERNAL does many many things right above its predessor Doom 2016, the wepapons sound incredibly impactful. Actually i seriously dont care about Balance just about having Fun, so i stocked up the max ammo capacities a lot as well using CARMACKS reshade (2016 mod) also for ETERNAL and also MOD that adds CLASSIC Doom Loot drop, and i have serious FUN on ULtra Violence. The enemies gib apart, cool landscapes and so on. Really Fun, impressive Grafics

 

So Combat feels nice, its really great Shooting Action.

 

the only thing where it really loses me, are the exagarated parcours - not that ui mind that gameplay at all: i see where they come from, softening up the gameplay by offering diversity between the blasting action, but sometimes it just feels a bit goofy.

 

however, its serious shooting action on Doom Eternal, gibbing enemies, impactful sounds, unmatched grafics, many enemies, diverse levels. so you might not wanna miss that one out. With CLASSIC Gameplay Mode and some editied max ammo stocks the game is surely nothing you regret to play.

 

i also play 2016 only in classic mode. glory kills off.

Edited by Mabuse

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