Sephiroth Posted January 27, 2003 well after playing the 10sectors wad i came up with this question. What level(s) in doom/doom2 have the least sectors, what has the most and are there any with 10 or less? Also what about the alpha's does anyone know the specs of those levels? 0 Share this post Link to post
Ichor Posted January 27, 2003 Least sectors in Doom: E3M8 - 17 sectors E2M9 - 19 sectors E2M8 - 27 sectors Most sectors in Doom: E2M7 - 323 sectors E4M7 - 288 sectors E3M5 - 268 sectors Least sectors in Doom 2: MAP32 - 20 sectors MAP30 - 22 sectors MAP07 - 29 sectors Most sectors in Doom 2: MAP14 - 348 sectors MAP15 - 301 sectors MAP17 - 274 sectors 0 Share this post Link to post
Nanami Posted January 27, 2003 Wow, that's weird. Even though Doom2 was made in a rush and the levels seem to be smaller and have less to do, those statistics say that Doom2 is actually bigger anyway. Say, what about TNT and Plutonia? I'm sure those have lots of sectors. 0 Share this post Link to post
Amaster Posted January 27, 2003 Bigger doesnt mean better. Many of the 10sector maps beat the Doom2 maps IMO. All those sectors in Doom 2 were probably just waste and inneficiency. Same for Final Doom, not that I dont still like these games. 0 Share this post Link to post
Ichor Posted January 27, 2003 Least sectors in Plutonia MAP07 - 47 sectors MAP21 - 58 sectors MAP16 - 105 sectors Most sectors in Plutonia MAP28 - 297 sectors MAP29 - 287 sectors (you'd think there would be a lot more here) MAP23 - 245 sectors Least sectors in Evilution MAP28 - 102 sectors MAP01 - 134 sectors MAP24 - 151 sectors Most sectors in Evilution MAP19 - 489 sectors MAP29 - 477 sectors MAP09 - 439 sectors 0 Share this post Link to post
Bloodshedder Posted January 27, 2003 Well, as far as the alphas go, the 0.2 alpha only has 1 small level, which is presumably only one sector. For the rest of the alphas...I can't figure out a way to get sector information from them. Yadex supports editing them, but I'm not running Linux. 0 Share this post Link to post
Nanami Posted January 27, 2003 Where'd you get that information, Ichor? I was thinking of opening DeePsea and looking, but that would have taken me a while. Thanks though. Okay, what about Alien Vendetta?? =P 0 Share this post Link to post
myk Posted January 27, 2003 Nanami said:Wow, that's weird. Even though Doom2 was made in a rush and the levels seem to be smaller and have less to do, those statistics say that Doom2 is actually bigger anyway. Say, what about TNT and Plutonia? I'm sure those have lots of sectors. More than anything, this has to do with system specs; a 486 vs. a 386. 0 Share this post Link to post
Szymanski Posted January 27, 2003 Alien Vendetta Least Sectors MAP32 - 107 MAP07 - 110 MAP02 - 160 Most Sectors MAP25 - 901 MAP11 - 955 MAP20 - 1842 0 Share this post Link to post
Ichor Posted January 27, 2003 I got mine from WadAuthor. It didn't take long at all. 0 Share this post Link to post
myk Posted January 27, 2003 Ichor said:E2M7 - 323 sectors Before looking at the list I could sense this was the biggest DOOM map... it's an early map, they probably got more conservative after making it as they became more aware of the limitations they'd have to deal with when releasing the game. But it may also have to do with the fact that as the design moved on they started to hurry more through the mapping. 0 Share this post Link to post
deathz0r Posted January 28, 2003 Alpha 0.4 sector amounts: E1M1 - 236 E1M2 - 61 E1M3 - 72 E1M4 - 124 E1M5 - 223 E1M6 - 5 E1M7 - 69 E1M8 - 131 E1M9 - 226 E1M10 - 36 E1M11 - 109 Alpha 0.5 sector amounts: E1M1 - 48 E1M2 - 208 E1M3 - 134 E1M4 - 123 E1M5 - 194 E1M6 - 155 E1M7 - 128 E1M8 - 131 E1M9 - 222 E1M10 - 113 E1M11 - 324 E1M12 - 34 E1M13 - 194 E2M1 - 9 0 Share this post Link to post
Sephiroth Posted January 28, 2003 well seeing that my other post got closed early i had to make a new post. Anyway, as u guessed, its about sectors. I want to know if there is a current sectors record holder? Also what tends to be the average amount of sectors in modern wads apposed to older wads? Also i would like to know how many sectors are in the maps Sincity and sincity 2(look in newstuff) as well as other zdoom maps? 0 Share this post Link to post
Fredrik Posted January 28, 2003 Record in sectors? Must be something by Erik or Lutz ;) 0 Share this post Link to post
The Ultimate DooMer Posted January 28, 2003 Highest I've found so far is TnT2.wad at 5604. Modern vs. older wads - it depends on the author, and whether or not they like putting tons of architecture in wads, and whether they build for doom2.exe or a source port. I tend to find there's more sectors in ZDoom wads than normal wads. Take my last two wads for example (both have 9 maps) - the Heretic wad had sector counts ranging from 400-800, whereas with the ZDoom wad it ranged from 600-1500. And I consider the architecture more fancy in the Heretic wad (in the ZDoom wad it's realistic rather than fancy). 0 Share this post Link to post
Szymanski Posted January 28, 2003 The most in PAR is 1157 for E1M6, quite a lot of the sectors are merged which brings the count down. Theres a hell of a lot of sidedefs in there (certainly slows Deepsea down). 0 Share this post Link to post
Ichor Posted January 29, 2003 ...checks his Hexen maps just for laughs... Egad, I didn't realize I used so many sectors in all of my maps. The Haunted Castle has 1220 sectors, but the map I'm working on now has nearly 950 sectors already. 0 Share this post Link to post
Epyo Posted January 29, 2003 Highest in my dir is tnt2, with 5604 sectors! EDIT: aw, UD beat me to it by one minute! 0 Share this post Link to post
Fletcher` Posted January 29, 2003 I think the biggest map I made had 530 sectors, and that was the ITSC beta recently. It probably jumped up 40 sectors when I edited it yesterday tho. 0 Share this post Link to post
Ichor Posted January 29, 2003 Strange... I just checked tnt2.wad using WadAuthor, but it tells me that there's only 1724 sectors in it. It's still quite a lot though. 0 Share this post Link to post
Job Posted January 29, 2003 For the whole wad? I thought there'd be a bit more than that. 0 Share this post Link to post
Erik Posted January 29, 2003 most sectors in a map I released is 2884 (Europa 3) 0 Share this post Link to post
The Ultimate DooMer Posted January 29, 2003 Ichor said:Strange... I just checked tnt2.wad using WadAuthor, but it tells me that there's only 1724 sectors in it. It's still quite a lot though. I used Jim Flynn's stat program. 0 Share this post Link to post
Nanami Posted January 29, 2003 TNT2 does not have 5000 sectors, I'm fairly sure. The level, although pretty darned good, has a lot of editing flaws. Lots of unclosed sectors and flipped linedefs and lines on top of one another. The sector counter goes up because he didn't delete any unused sectors (DeePsea does this in the error checker). So while he may have had sectors 1-50 at one time, he may have deleted 10-35, but it still counts them. I had a level I made once that it claimed to have a few thousand sectors, but when I learned how to use DeePsea's error check, it went down to about 500. If I was at home, I could check the wad myself. Somebody do this for me. =P 0 Share this post Link to post
Deadsmple Posted February 1, 2003 Nanami said:Where'd you get that information, Ichor? I was thinking of opening DeePsea and looking, but that would have taken me a while. Thanks though. Okay, what about Alien Vendetta?? =P if you have access to a Mac, Hellmaker automatically displays the number of sectors whenever you open a map. 0 Share this post Link to post