Are there any German mappers out here?

[SFFlowerBoy]

So I was born and grew up in Germany (not my parents are from the middle East If you curious) and I recently discovered the French doom community with works like 3 houre d'agonie. So I am curious if there are any German mappers out there you would be willing to a community project like that. I personally would love to learn mapping in an community setting. So let me know what you think.

[LadyMistDragon]

German mappers don't really seem inclined to make national community projects of any sort. There are three mappers of German origin still active that I know of: @tourniquet, @Yumheart, and @thiccyosh, and there are a few others whose names I've really seen only once or twice that have never really shown signs of wanting to be involved with something like that. I get the impression Germany isn't necessarily a nation with pride in itself when compared to something like France, but i'm not sure that's entirely relevant. Out of those, Yumheart is probably the most active in CPs, and I think they'd love to help you out!

[Yumheart]

I can only speak for myself, but I don't see "being German" as a relevant part of my identity, to the point where I'd probably feel weird making maps for a mapset that's Germany-themed to the extent that 3 houre d'agonie is France-themed.
It would make sense for people with the same native language to make something together though, I suppose? Though we might still have very different backgrounds (which doesn't have to be something negative of course), and I have to admit even my irl friends and I usually write English when talking to each other online.
Anyways, I probably wouldn't have time to join another project at the moment, but there's usually plenty of low-threshold community projects, which can be very helpful for learning and socialising as well.

[SFFlowerBoy]

13 minutes ago, Yumheart said:

I can only speak for myself, but I don't see "being German" as a relevant part of my identity, to the point where I'd probably feel weird making maps for a mapset that's Germany-themed to the extent that 3 houre d'agonie is France-themed.

I get that. Due to history it feels sometime really weird to feel pride in our country in the way of other countries. I mean I wouldn't say that being German is one major part of my identity. But I still think there is way to make a German themed mapset without the baggage that is associated with Germany. And this post was mainly a way for to test if there even people who are interested in such a concept. I would also have applied guidelines like no Nazi references whatsoever and such. But regardless I personally would love to creat a mapset that is German themed. I personally think that we have a great language and culture that could be shared with other, so it is something I will definitely make, be it in the way of a community project or solo.

[SFFlowerBoy]

Oh and good that you mentioned other community projects. I would be inclined to join them if there is a place for a beginner like me. I will definitely look into that.

[Lucius Wooding]

There's the fact that Doom was banned from being sold to minors in Germany until 2010 or 11 iirc. No doubt it was heavily pirated as much as any other country, but that kind of restriction would have greatly limited its exposure.

[SFFlowerBoy]

1 minute ago, Lucius Wooding said:

There's the fact that Doom was banned from being sold to minors in Germany until 2010 or 11 iirc. No doubt it was heavily pirated as much as any other country, but that kind of restriction would have greatly limited its exposure.

That's true but even I as a teenage was aware of a lot games that were banned in Germany for advertising, though I think for doom it was harder since internet access was pretty limited in the 90s and doom didn't get censored release for the German market as far as I know. Tbh it's pretty shitty that I can't buy certain games without going on a key reseller site, but it is what it is. The strict age restrictions got fairly loose in recent years.

[fai1025]

now I wonder is there any Asian mappers, I mean Doom it's a pretty obscure game in Asia, at least in my country

[SFFlowerBoy]

Just now, fai1025 said:

now I wonder is there any Asian mappers, I mean Doom it's a pretty obscure game in Asian, at least in my country

I mean there was the Japanese community project in 2015 but other than that I don't know honestly. 

[fai1025]

2 minutes ago, SFFlowerBoy said:

I mean there was the Japanese community project in 2015 but other than that I don't know honestly. 

yeah, beside that, and beside me, I don't know any, at least well known Asian mapper here

 

I mean the only reason i know Doom it's because I understand English in a decent level

[SFFlowerBoy]

2 minutes ago, fai1025 said:

yeah, beside that, and beside me, I don't know any, at least well known Asian mapper here

 

I mean the only reason i know Doom it's because I understand English in a decent level

Yeah language barrier can make all the difference. I mean I hadn't heard of till 2016 when cod speak English fairly well other then that it was obscure to me till that point

[Shepardus]

24 minutes ago, fai1025 said:

now I wonder is there any Asian mappers, I mean Doom it's a pretty obscure game in Asia, at least in my country

There's JPCP as already mentioned, and antares031 is Korean.

 

There are some other WADs and mappers from around the world listed here:

 

[Sectorslayer]

There certainly are Germans on DW (yours truly). So many people here are actually from timezones that keep them from participating in popular streams. Yet an important point of such internet community is that it explicitly doesn’t matter.

 

I actually love the concept of the “In Spain Only” projects. But I fail to see how this could translate into German without heavily resorting on obvious stereotypes. The funny side in me sees beer pickups for health potions, crazy long composite noun map names, an Oktoberfest map and misspelled  intermission texts, yes? 😅

However, I think it would be interesting to see city maps that actually resemble old town European structures. Winding roads,  small houses instead of city blocks and skyscrapers, farms. Hard on the Doom engine. But that’s part of the art, right?

[Gez]

Dirndl imps or we riot

[boris]

7 hours ago, Lucius Wooding said:

There's the fact that Doom was banned from being sold to minors in Germany until 2010 or 11 iirc. No doubt it was heavily pirated as much as any other country, but that kind of restriction would have greatly limited its exposure.

 

I can assure you it didn't. Everyone knew it, everyone played it. Also the ban didn't take effect until nearly 6 months after the game's release.

[thiccyosh]

7 hours ago, SFFlowerBoy said:

And this post was mainly a way for to test if there even people who are interested in such a concept.

 

I'd be up for a "Doom 2 In Germany Only" mapset. Germany has a lot of interesting places that could be turned into a whole map without relying on WWII stuff. Castles, industrial facilities, mountains etc. are always nice to see in Doom if pulled off correctly.

 

 

35 minutes ago, sectrslayr said:

But I fail to see how this could translate into German without heavily resorting on obvious stereotypes.

 

That is the fun part, you probably need to watch out that you're making it not to cheesy. "Doom 2 In Spain Only" was more or less designed to be a bootleg shovelware-ish wad. So why wouldn't be this possible? What else would you suggest? That idea to me is better than your regular boring 20 minute techbase. (Though I like the idea that Doomguy needs to obtain a Baugenehmigung for his house in Germany lol.)

 

[Sectorslayer]

4 minutes ago, thiccyosh said:

Though I like the idea that Doomguy needs to obtain a Baugenehmigung for his house in Germany lol.

This and Dirndl imps. 

[SFFlowerBoy]

4 hours ago, thiccyosh said:

 

I'd be up for a "Doom 2 In Germany Only" mapset. Germany has a lot of interesting places that could be turned into a whole map without relying on WWII stuff. Castles, industrial facilities, mountains etc. are always nice to see in Doom if pulled off correctly.

 

 

 

That is the fun part, you probably need to watch out that you're making it not to cheesy. "Doom 2 In Spain Only" was more or less designed to be a bootleg shovelware-ish wad. So why wouldn't be this possible? What else would you suggest? That idea to me is better than your regular boring 20 minute techbase. (Though I like the idea that Doomguy needs to obtain a Baugenehmigung for his house in Germany lol.)

 

These are some funny ideas. I had also in mind to bring in some things in that are regional German stereotypes. Like food as powerups that are exclusive to certain region like spund'käs in Mainz for example. Maybe I will toy around in doom builder and post the results here though I can't guarantee that I will look due me having little to no mapping experience but I am down to change that right now. 

 

P.S.: Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz should be an maptitle for that potential set :D

[Sectorslayer]

5 minutes ago, SFFlowerBoy said:

P.S.: Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz should be an maptitle for that potential set :D

This will probably hit vanilla limits. 

[thiccyosh]

16 minutes ago, SFFlowerBoy said:

Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz should be an maptitle for that potential set :D

 

So should be Donaudampfschifffahrtselektrizitätenhauptbetriebswerkbauunterbeamtengesellschaft.

[LadyMistDragon]

Someone should make a map with that nickname for Ted Cruz :D)

[SFFlowerBoy]

I have a definitive idea for a first map. I will call it "Ruhestörung"  Doomguy is trying to sleep but the Cyberdemon next door throws a huge Party and it is up to you to file a complain to your landlord. If he didn't turn into a Demon himself that is :D. I will post screenshots as the level comes along.

[SilverMiner]

MayhemicDestructor from doomer boards may be German, he was last online iirc in 20s of July, I hope he's ok

 

[Thelokk]

On 10/2/2022 at 1:59 PM, SFFlowerBoy said:

I recently discovered the French doom community with works like 3 houre d'agonie

 

Franky, imo a huge part of why French community-specific projects happened or are happening, is because they sort of have their own board. Most other nationalities (Japan and somewhat Russia a notable exception) just kinda fall into the catch-all bag of DW's general community projects, which really helps with visibility too.

Point in case: the last Italian community project was ages ago, when we had our own board that is now a one-post-a-month memory hole.

[DrRock]

Aside from current german mappers there also have been quite a few more or less historic mapping figures that hail from our country. Early on there were The Innocent Crew, who were amongst the most competent of the earliest batch of doom mappers. Michael Krause's ridiculously proportioned maps have their fans as well. I too find them rather fun and like the unique visual style he has brought to the table. Make sure to check those out if you haven't yet, they're a treat.

 

I'm a little too young to have the most clear insight on this, but Doom being relegated to being a 'sold under the counter' kind of deal until somewhat recently probably did a lot to keep the game from being as popular as it could be over here. At least in the pre-internet days. The again, Germany is also one of the absolute biggest video game markets, to the point that there have been consumer bases for just about any niche video gaming category or system. So even people who may have never seen or played the game surely have at least must heard about it from word of mouth way back when. It's not like the game was outright banned or impossible to get a hold of either.

[Marvv7]

I'd love to see any project where german doom content creators come together honestly!

[talond66]

Psst,

 

I would just like to mention a few historical milestones by @Tormentor667 , of which I am still impressed today: 

• 2016-2021: WolfenDoom: Blade of Agony
• 2014-2021: Realm 667 - Doom community website, including the famous repository of modding guides and resources
• 2015-2017: Skulldash
• 2014: ZDoom Community Map Project: Take II
• 2007-2008: Knee-Deep in ZDoom

Maybe he might know of other German members and their projects.

 

What I could definitely imagine: German Community Project (GMCP), a equivalent to the already mentioned Japanese Community Project (JPCP).
 

I myself am still at the beginning with my mapping experiences but I always try to be as vanilla as possible. I am more a designer, graphic artist, analyst, organizer, data and documentation specialist, statistician, programmer and problem solver of many fields and dimensions.

 

best regards

[boris]

37 minutes ago, talond66 said:

2015-2017: Skulldash

 

That was mostly made by Dragonfly, of the 50 or so maps roughly 20 were contributed by other community members, one by T667.

[DSC]

On 10/16/2022 at 11:51 PM, DrRock said:

Early on there were The Innocent Crew, who were amongst the most competent of the earliest batch of doom mappers.

Spot on. Right when I read the thread title I was going to mention them too. Out of all german Doom mappers, that duo of brothers (Thomas and Dennis Moller) are definitely the most noteworthy. If you want to see the most solid efforts of early Doom mapping, they are some of the best. A long time ago, I personally even put them as inaugural members of an hypothetical Doom Hall Of Fame. I highly recommend checking out their 17 map megawad, Obituary, along with their Memento Mori I and II and Requiem levels.

[Gez]

There's also @Vader, @ptoing, @elend...