Knee-Deep in KDiZD: Released! It's KDiZD for doom2.exe - 1.7.1 is now on /idgames

[Edward850]

22 minutes ago, esselfortium said:

Hey now, don't speak ill of the terminally banned!

[Trar]

He should have asked the real question: why anyone would want to remake KDIZD with less gigantic levels. ...which I guess has a fairly obvious answer.

[Shepardus]

2 hours ago, esselfortium said:

If you’re not familiar with the original KDiZD, that’s okay! (After all, it has been… wow, 15 years?)

KDiZD is older today than Knee-Deep in the Dead was on KDiZD's release!

[baja blast rd.]

These screenshots are quality

 

[esselfortium]

Just now, baja blast rd. said:

These screenshots are quality

 

They're just having some fun!

[esselfortium]

1 minute ago, Shepardus said:

KDiZD is older today than Knee-Deep in the Dead was on KDiZD's release!

[PsychEyeball]

I personally find funny that the remake of a WAD meant to showcase Zdoom does not work on Zdoom.

 

The original KDIZD was never a favorite of mine (maps were way too big and confusing for my tastes) so maybe this will be more up my speed. 

[SMG_Man]

I'm having trouble loading this with CrispyDoom (never really played a wad packaged in separate parts *or* one that had a dehacked file before).

 

for ease of typing it out I renamed the files to "ZD_A.wad", "ZD_B.wad", and "ZD_C.deh". This is how I'm trying to load them from CrispyDoom's setup exe:

 

 

when I choose to start the game though, I keep getting this error:

 

 

Is there something I'm overlooking that I should be doing?

[LexiMax]

4 minutes ago, SMG_Man said:

Is there something I'm overlooking that I should be doing?

 

Are you using Doom 2 as your IWAD?

[Obsidian]

And are the wads being merged? If my days of vanilla modding are serving me correctly I think it has to be formatted like this:

-merge ZD_A.wad

-merge ZD_B.wad

-deh ZD_C.deh

Correct me if I'm wrong though!

 

[esselfortium]

Just now, Obsidian said:

And are the wads being merged? If my days of vanilla modding are serving me correctly I think it has to be formatted like this:

-merge ZD_A.wad

-merge ZD_B.wad

-deh ZD_C.deh

Correct me if I'm wrong though!

 

Nope, don't use -merge for this. It'll break, I think.

[SMG_Man]

11 minutes ago, AlexMax said:

 

Are you using Doom 2 as your IWAD?

 

Yes, and in my CrispyDoom folder I've made sure to put a copy of my v1.9 wad there. The dreaded first few notes of "D_RUNNIN" play right before it crashes

 

edit: Tried loading it from my ChocolateDoom installation the same way and got a similar crash with a different error message (this one about an unrecognized flat name)

Edited November 12, 2022 by SMG_Man

[HavoX]

I thought this project would never see the day... guess I was wrong.

[Obsidian]

5 minutes ago, esselfortium said:

Nope, don't use -merge for this. It'll break, I think.

 

Oh, actually? Wild, guess my knowledge is a bit out of date. :P

[taufan99]

17 minutes ago, PsychEyeball said:

I personally find funny that the remake of a WAD meant to showcase Zdoom does not work on Zdoom.

On the other side, a lot of ZDoom-based conversions/mods don't work on non-ZDoom source ports. Win-win, I guess. :P

2 minutes ago, Obsidian said:

Oh, actually? Wild, guess my knowledge is a bit out of date. :P

I don't blame you either way. All the "-file" and "-merge" shenanigans still get me confused when running vanilla-oriented conversions/mods not covered on the Chocolate Doom Wiki.

[esselfortium]

10 minutes ago, SMG_Man said:

 

Yes, and in my CrispyDoom folder I've made sure to put a copy of my v1.9 wad there. The dreaded first few notes of "D_RUNNIN" play right before it crashes

 

edit: Tried loading it from my ChocolateDoom installation the same way and got a similar crash with a different error message (this one about an unrecognized flat name)

Sounds like the B wad isn’t loading correctly.

[SMG_Man]

Okay, so it looks like for whatever reason crispy and chocolate doom are not loading both WADs for me, even when specified. If I load the A wad first, I get the resources there like the new maps. If I load the B wad first, I get the stuff there like the new music. I'm not sure why it's refusing to load both together?

[LexiMax]

2 minutes ago, SMG_Man said:

Okay, so it looks like for whatever reason crispy and chocolate doom are not loading both WADs for me, even when specified. If I load the A wad first, I get the resources there like the new maps. If I load the B wad first, I get the stuff there like the new music. I'm not sure why it's refusing to load both together?

 

Might be a launcher problem.  When I launch Chocolate Doom 3.0.1 with lcferrum's qZDL using the two WAD files + DEH it works flawlessly.

[dew]

Definitely use -file and not -merge, no matter what port you're using. Command line params should look something akin to:

 

choco/crispy:

chocolate-doom.exe -iwad doom2 -file KDiKDi_A.wad KDiKDi_B.wad -deh kdikdizd.deh -warp 13 -skill 4

 

eternity:

eternity.exe -vanilla -iwad doom2 -file KDiKDi_A.wad KDiKDi_B.wad -warp 13 -skill 4

 

dsda-doom:

dsda-doom.exe -complevel 2 -iwad doom2 -file KDiKDi_A.wad KDiKDi_B.wad -warp 13 -skill 4

 

I tried the crispy setup loader and couldn't get it to work properly either, heh. Maybe something crispy-related that should be brought up with fabian.

[SMG_Man]

Just now, AlexMax said:

 

Might be a launcher problem.  When I launch Chocolate Doom 3.0.1 with ZDL using the two WAD files + DEH it works flawlessly.

 

okay yeah, using just the extra parameters fields seems to make it work perfectly
 

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Thanks for the help with troubleshooting this; it's reminded me of my woes getting ZDoom coop for the original KDiZD set up back in the day

[United VirusX]

This is pretty damn awesome! played through the first two maps and I love the changes definitely gonna enjoy playing through this 

[Obsidian]

Small bug on Z1M3:

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This Stone Demon can endlessly teleport in this area. Amusing, but I assume unintentional.

 

 

[GooberMan]

6 minutes ago, dew said:

Definitely use -file and not -merge, no matter what port you're using.

Just a note that Chocolate (and thus Rum and Raisin) isn't happy with you not using merge but that it runs fine anyway. So ignore a message like this if you see it:

 

[Lila Feuer]

TFW I'll be playing this vanilla version of KDiZD through before I actually play the original mod it's based on. I glimpsed bits and pieces of it mostly out of mockery due to all the controversy but never gave it a fair shake. I know it's extremely divisive however. This on the other hand just looks right up my alley when it comes to vanilla weirdness.

[Vile]

I wasn't aware this was even a real project, but I just finished it and found it very impressive.  It looked amazing and played great, certainly one of the best surprises of the year.  Congratulations on the release!  There were a few things found during the playthrough:

 

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VOD link: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1650315142

 

MAP15: this slime looked like sky to me running dsda-doom with opengl, although software appears to be fine.

 

 

MAP31: also in dsda-doom, finishing the level played the story text about entering the military base again before going to MAP16.

 

[JXC]

I just played the first 2 maps so far, and it is the most impressive Vanilla-based map since SID. When I first saw the trailer, I thought it was one of those Arbitrary Code Execution or exe hacks.

[Edward850]

9 minutes ago, Vile said:

MAP15: this slime looked like sky to me running dsda-doom with opengl, although software appears to be fine.

Don't use OpenGL or any other polygonal renderer. They won't run this properly at all due to them all lacking software-based sprite/texture sorting and overdraw. The main page wasn't clear as to why, but that's what it means (well part of what it means) by this not working in GZDoom.

[jazzmaster9]

WOAH! congrats on the release.
I get relive one of my first custom wads that i've played in a new lens. Can't wait to play this (i.e be added to my already long backlog T_T )

 

the Original is one of my ^notGuilty pleasures (I never been guilty for liking anything) so I'm excited to see how this shakes up what Im already familiar with.

[ReaperAA]

This looks cool as heck. Even just speaking technically, this is cacoward worthy.

 

I still haven't played the original KDiZD so I think I will play that before playing this and then compare the two.

[Rudolph]

Interesting remix of the Kneep-Deep In The Dead soundtrack! It makes me want to see Knee-Deep In The Dead remade in Back to Saturn X style! :P