MyHouse.wad

[Devalaous]

22 minutes ago, ShallowB said:

It's not specific to DW's "culture" to not dox people, or to understand that a fictional narrative exists within the story and not at the home address of the author.

 

Since its clear my words have been taken out of context enough that it will get me in long-lasting trouble, let me try to reword it better. I suspect I will fail and get hung or something, but at least accept I meant no malice or any kind of ill intentions. I'm not at all saying doxing is okay, just pointing out that these people don't know My House isn't an ARG, and theres an awful lot of malice being attributed to people who are just jumping on some popular trend and trying to solve mysteries, and yes, we can thank 'youtube celebrities' for it.

I don't really understand the ARG craze myself; I play only older games, and im regularly made fun of by younger folk by playing 'old outdated crap' like Borderlands 2, and god forbid im seen playing Doom. Ever feel really really old when something like Winter's Fury is made fun of? Like I said, half the references in that video were lost on me, like its some new culture im too old for (I mean hell, I didnt even know about 'Backrooms craze' till this wad, and I wish I didn't know now; its some of the most childish shit ive ever seen in the last few years), and I imagine his target audience wouldn't care in the slightest about things we care about, like wtf a wad is. I just know people go goddamn nuts over ARGs and can be weirdly voracious about finding clues. How many people here have popped in out of nowhere to examine metadata in images or other strange reachings? Me, I just played it to the good ending, thought long and hard about the meaning of this and that, wondered about the still-unsolved 'S+A' (Which is now solved, thanks to the Forbidden Site) and what the secret Hospital was really all about (this new video is the only one ive seen that tries to theorise about it, and there was no mention of the hospital bed your in being the House's upstairs bedroom, the one with the Navidson Hallway). I shared a few thoughts, ordered my own copy House of Leaves, and that was that. The only thing I'd want one day is for what happens with a lot of projects like these, for the creator to one day come forward and explain stuff to tie up anything left for people. Some people are just oddly thirsty for secrets I guess that they unknowingly invade peoples privacy.

[ShallowB]

Nah that wasn’t really to you personally, just generally speaking about the continued insistence by people to keep digging where there’s nothing left to uncover.

 

The “S+A” heart is solvable in the wad itself without any outside knowledge!  The name “Anna” appears in the airport along with the message “Help me.”  Granted, that mystery was solved in this thread just after the first wave of YouTubers covered the wad, so Pyro probably didn’t know about it.

 

As for people not knowing it isn’t an ARG… yeah, I agree, and that’s kind of where a lot of the frustration comes from.  I don’t understand why people would think it is one.  “Creepy Story YouTube” is no stranger to media that breaks the fourth wall, references real events, and has unreliable narrators, but they aren’t all ARGs.  Doki Doki Literature Club has secrets hidden in auxiliary text files and images outside the game that are required to fully experience its story, and that game got popular as hell without people following the developers home and prying into their private lives.  Marble Hornets got so famous it made Slenderman a household name and it’s just a bunch of real indie filmmakers acting as fictional indie film makers in an indie film about themselves in their own homes and backyards. Thousands of YouTube theory videos have been made on that series without tracking down the actors to solve the puzzles involved.

 

But for some reason people just started insisting MyHouse was an ARG and wouldn’t stop after being told it isn’t.

 

[Gregor]

14 hours ago, TheMagicMushroomMan said:

I was gone when this wad got popular. What's going on here? Are people doxing the author or playing detectives in some quest to "dig deep into the lore" or some shit? If so, that's pretty pathetic.

 

11 hours ago, ShallowB said:

As for people not knowing it isn’t an ARG… yeah, I agree, and that’s kind of where a lot of the frustration comes from.  I don’t understand why people would think it is one.

 

But for some reason people just started insisting MyHouse was an ARG and wouldn’t stop after being told it isn’t.

 

 

I think the reason people are still interested in Veddge's identity and keep digging is because Veddge's disappearance after releasing MyHouse made it seem like his vanishing was part of an ARG experience, like the story hadn't ended yet and there was more to uncover. The reason why this didn't happen with House of Leaves was probably because Mark Z. Danielewski didn't just disappear from the face of the earth after publishing the book. He gave interviews, continued to write - it made it pretty clear to everybody where the story ended and reality began. Veddge on the other hand just vanished like a ghost - which is of course very much in line with the story of Steve Nelson, who the creator of the mod went to great lengths to identify as to the outside world. It makes sense then that people feel like there's more to uncover and that Veddge is still in character by going off the grit ever since the release of MyHouse.

 

I also like to remind everybody here that this very DW thread was leading the investigation into the identity of Veddge back in April, going through all the usual suspects on the forum, checking people off the list one by one and without anybody having a problem with it UNTIL Veddge sent a DM to NotJabba asking him to back off. That's when the search was called off and only then. And again, even there the author made sure not to reach out through the Veddge account, so as not to spoil the illusion that Steve Nelson had stopped existing the same day MyHouse was released on March 3rd.

 

What I'm trying to say is that whoever created this mod put a lot of effort into constructing and supporting the meta story line between the account name Veddge and the protagonist of the journal, Steve Nelson. They are meant to appear as one and the same person - very much like in an Alternate Reality Game. So I can completely understand why so many people would think MyHouse is an ARG and, consequently, are trying to solve all it's mysteries, including the identity of its mysterious, ghost-like author.

Edited September 24, 2023 by Gregor

[Ferriit]

How did you add two levels on top of each other. That shouldn't be possible

[Gregor]

16 minutes ago, Ferriit said:

How did you add two levels on top of each other. That shouldn't be possible

Well, the mod doesn't run in vanilla Doom but GZDoom instead (an advanced sourceport), which can make use of actual 3D floors for simple layouts (both floors still have to share the same 2D map area) and line portals for more complex scenarios like seen in myhouse - basically you're teleporting between two separate areas of the map, but unlike normal teleporter lines (as seen in vanilla Doom), the game engine treats them like one continuous space, so you can see and shoot across the lines, making the illusion almost indistinguishable from real 3D. Almost.

[ShallowB]

31 minutes ago, Ferriit said:

How did you add two levels on top of each other. That shouldn't be possible

 

Silent teleports and polyobjects have been possible since Hexen in 1996.

 

3D floors were first added in the DOSDoom sourceport in 1997.

 

Line portals were originally meant to be in Doom 1993 but John Carmack didn't have time to finish implementing them. The EDGE sourceport implemented them in 1999.

 

All of these features are used in MyHouse to create the "room over room" effect.

 

 

[WubNub]

off topic but....

 

I was told that at the mirror campsite, I need to step into the bonfire smoke to spawn the mirror-vile. When I try to do this nothing happens. Help?

[Gregor]

3 minutes ago, WubNub said:

off topic but....

 

I was told that at the mirror campsite, I need to step into the bonfire smoke to spawn the mirror-vile. When I try to do this nothing happens. Help?

Spoiler

You need to press on the big trunk with the heart sign next to the campfire first. It opens a passage. Don't go through it if you want the good ending. The mirror vile spawns when you try to leave the same way you came, irrespective of whether you walk through the campfire or not.

Check out the Doomwiki article for the full walkthrough.

[Mr Masker]

19 hours ago, Devalaous said:

So much of that above video was alien as hell to me, so many bizarre references to modern childish nonsense and popular things, its like it really was from people from a different cultural world.

Quotes like this help me to remind myself how broken and stupid modern internet humour is compared to anyone outside that kind of  sphere.

[Gregor]

On 9/24/2023 at 11:01 AM, ShallowB said:

Silent teleports and polyobjects have been possible since Hexen in 1996.

3D floors were first added in the DOSDoom sourceport in 1997.

Line portals were originally meant to be in Doom 1993 but John Carmack didn't have time to finish implementing them. The EDGE sourceport implemented them in 1999.

You make it sound like these aren't advanced features but simple stuff that every sourceport can easily implement, but most modern sourceport aren't capable of any of these effects. DOSDoom was THE most advanced sourceport in the late 90s even though it started out as vanilla. I also doubt that 3D floors were added in '97 since the first version of the port was only created on December 23, which was of course a straight vanilla port of the source code that had been released that same day. Also, EDGE wasn't released until June 2000. And just because Johnny Carmack had an idea for a feature doesn't mean he would have been able to pull it off. He also had plenty of planned features for the Quake 1 engine but had to scratch a lot of them because he underestimated the challenge of actually implementing them.

Edited September 25, 2023 by Gregor

[ShallowB]

40 minutes ago, Gregor said:

You make it sound like these aren't advanced features

 

No I'm just saying they are features.

[RataUnderground]

It's really cringe to see mainstream youtubers talking about Doom and making a thousand mistakes and inaccuracies because they don't belong to the culture, they don't know the context or the technical concepts and neither does their audience.

[Gez]

6 minutes ago, RataUnderground said:

It's really cringe to see mainstream youtubers talking about Doom and making a thousand mistakes and inaccuracies because they don't belong to the culture, they don't know the context or the technical concepts and neither does their audience.

Now think about that when they're talking about stuff that you don't know much about, so you can't spot their mistakes and inaccuracies.

[roadworx]

Boy Oh Boy I Can't Wait For People To Shit Up The Thread With Nonsense Again

 

1 hour ago, RataUnderground said:

It's really cringe to see mainstream youtubers talking about Doom and making a thousand mistakes and inaccuracies because they don't belong to the culture, they don't know the context or the technical concepts and neither does their audience.

i do agree with you, but i mean...yeah, that'll happen with this sorta thing. you can say that about any topic that an outsider looking in is talking about. i do wanna know tho, what'd he get wrong? i admittedly haven't actually watched it xd

[Gregor]

1 hour ago, roadworx said:

i do agree with you, but i mean...yeah, that'll happen with this sorta thing. you can say that about any topic that an outsider looking in is talking about. i do wanna know tho, what'd he get wrong? i admittedly haven't actually watched it xd

I remember him saying the BFG is the most unreliable weapon in Doom because it does 100-800 damage - obviously he doesn't play Doom very much. There was some more stuff like that but nothing too egregious afair.

Edited September 25, 2023 by Gregor

[mrthejoshmon]

Always wild to see someone dox someone over what is perceived to be an ARG, reminds me of the classic event of the "meatsleep" ARG getting reported to the FBI (and.. Anonymous, apparently?) great work ya fucking idiots.

 

I've been lingering around ARGs and the culture for a long time now and multiple times the line gets crossed, I think it was "seventy broad" that got an actual police investigation (then they just rolled with it, fuck it) then there was recently an event where one of the fellas doing an ARG even got reported for terrorism because of it, if I can bloody remember the name I will post it (think it was "Junku Jensui"? Think it was that one).

 

The problem with ARGs is that they blur the line as an actual addition to the narrative, MyHouse isn't as much an ARG as it is more of a one and done actual story just told in the same medium, there is no investigation outside of what is presented to you and no further narrative rewards for finding out where the fucking house is but due to the way it is presented it has unintentionally dragged people into a frenzy trying to figure out more than they need to/should.

 

Not the makers fault, some folks are just a wee bit terminally online and don't know what is good/should be done anymore.

[ENEMY!!!]

I don't believe that all of the problems that we've been seeing are people blatantly engaging in doxxing.  Such people certainly exist, but I reckon that there are much greater numbers who are very curious, who get deeply interested in the true origins of something like Myhouse, and who are naïve about how digging too deeply could undermine the author's privacy, potentially with ugly consequences, or who just don't think enough about the implications while they're digging.

 

I reckon that the videos presenting it as some sort of ARG and (especially) the relevant TikTok content have allowed this to get far worse than it would otherwise have done.  If the latter had been released with Veddge's express consent, I would feel okay with it being circulated, but I see no compelling evidence of this being the case, unfortunately, and until/unless this changes, I won't feel comfortable with it being circulated. 

 

Generally I'm one of those who tends to be very curious and to want to discover all there is to discover, and to know the truth, but as so often in life, this is only healthy in moderation, up to a certain point.  Short of that point, there's been a lot of very interesting and rewarding discussion and detective work, but it is clear to me that Myhouse works much better in immersing the player and creating the right emotions if some details remain speculative and are left to the imagination.  It's not just an author privacy issue, it's also a matter of ensuring that people who play Myhouse get the best experience.  For these reasons, with each day, it's becoming more obvious to me why Veddge has gone to lengths to remain anonymous and very secretive.

[hexagonopus]

Before I say the rest: I want to be clear that I'm genuinely asking these questions, and explaining the rationale behind the questions, not trying to make a Point or push back on some of the statements said before.

 

I'm not clear on the doxxing notion. From what I understand, the source of this information is that someone close to the creator has publicly talked about and shown off that they live in the House (im being deliberately vague, please don't correct me to be more "Specific" lol)

 

Is that doxxing ?? Arguably, I guess its possible to consider revealing details about yourself online to be "doxxing yourself" and therefore if other people reproduce that info it's also possible to call that "doxxing that person" but it seems somewhat like a different order of magnitude from like, releasing a dossier of otherwise private information about somebody.

 

Are there people who used that content to like, geolocate the exact address and are sharing that information around? Because that would without a doubt be doxxing.

 

What are we specifically referring to when we say people are "doxxing" the creator?

[Horus]

35 minutes ago, OliveTree said:

What are we specifically referring to when we say people are "doxxing" the creator?

Revealing personal details concerning the creator without their consent/intent. Which this qualifies as.

[hexagonopus]

2 minutes ago, Horus said:

Which this qualifies as. 

right. just so we're on the same page, which what qualifies as?

[Olopo]

Hi everyone, I recently watched part 4 of Davidnewton’s how it works series, in which he mentions that there are multiple versions of the map. I’m curious to see the first 2 versions of the map (I started playing late so I only have the 3rd), so if anyone has them please let me know.

[Mr Masker]

1 hour ago, OliveTree said:

I'm not clear on the doxxing notion. From what I understand, the source of this information is that someone close to the creator has publicly talked about and shown off that they live in the House (I'm being deliberately vague, please don't correct me to be more "Specific" lol)

Honestly I've been a bit confused on this too. This at the very least was the only info that Pyrocynical gave, and then he stopped after that point. This is publicly available stuff from someone who knows the creator personally and presumably asked Vedge beforehand.

 

Of course, I could be completely wrong on all of this, but that's the impression I got from what I've seen. I'd really appreciate getting the correct info if I'm wrong.

[Gregor]

1 hour ago, Mr Masker said:

Honestly I've been a bit confused on this too. This is publicly available stuff from someone who knows the creator personally and presumably asked Vedge beforehand.

The person in question has stated that they have permission from Veddge to share these information.

 

Having said that, it was also made clear by that person that Veddge wishes to remain anonymous and does not have any interest in answering questions himself.

Edited September 25, 2023 by Gregor

[Horus]

1 hour ago, Mr Masker said:

Honestly I've been a bit confused on this too. This at the very least was the only info that Pyrocynical gave, and then he stopped after that point. This is publicly available stuff from someone who knows the creator personally and presumably asked Vedge beforehand.

 

Of course, I could be completely wrong on all of this, but that's the impression I got from what I've seen. I'd really appreciate getting the correct info if I'm wrong.

This is the latest position afaik:

 

[Liberation]

3 hours ago, Mr Masker said:

This is publicly available stuff from someone who knows the creator personally and presumably asked Vedge beforehand.

 

Then you presumed incorrectly mate.

 

Hence why we have to keep an eye on what's being posted in this thread.

[ENEMY!!!]

As Gregor said, there is indeed a comment to one of the videos where the person claims they have permission from Veddge to share the information, but I have my doubts.

Edited September 25, 2023 by ENEMY!!!

[Mr Masker]

1 hour ago, Liberation said:

 

Then you presumed incorrectly mate.

Ah right, I've heard conflicted stuff on that so I wasn't too sure. In that case it's pretty unfortunate for Vedge and Myhouse itself really. I do appreciate everyone helping to clarify things.

[Seevy]

After experiencing it a few times, I found MyHouse reminded me a lot of Alan Resnick's works, mainly 'This House Has People In It' and 'Unedited Footage of a Bear'. They kinda share a theme of a regular, suburban environment slowly degrades into chaos due to the supernatural force that is the human condition.

[Skemech]

[WubNub]

True

I agree