Classic Doom - New Update on Steam

[Faceman2000]

12 minutes ago, bobbie424242 said:

 

See my posts about it (1 and 2)  and Edward's responses after that. Yes there is a difference. There is more inertia to movement in Kex version compared to some other source ports.

That is not at all what he said. He said it’s different than GZDoom, because GZDoom is the one that screwed with player movement. The new port is true to the movement in the original game.

[Kroc]

10 hours ago, Edward850 said:

Can't browse idgames; it's entirely a 3rd party system, a lot of the content on it won't even work, and it's primary mirror is an unsecure FTP. It's 3/3 on being a no go for consoles.

 

This is such a disingenuous answer; iD has been very careful about not violating GPL but is happily violating the terms of WAD distribution with reckless abandon. iD has been protective about the copyright of the ID24 resources, but doesn't give a sh!t about the copyright of WAD authors.

 

idgames is the established preservation, curation and attribution repository of the community. Since Bethesda is already hosting all the uploaded WAD files, it is not beyond their resources to take a copy of idgames and provide, I don't know, a bit of bloody _curation_. (grep the txt files for boom-compatible WADs), so your 3/3 strikes are complete strawman arguments.

 

Serious question: What will it take for Bethesda to take down or fix the current WAD upload/browser? WAD authors are already telling you that you're violating their terms and "report it lol" isn't acceptable since attribution is not being provided for *any* WADs. Will this take a petition from WAD authors? A cease-and-desist?

[Gez]

1 hour ago, Erwin Lottermeyer said:

I don't want to upload stuff I'm not the author of to the community mod browser.

Is there a way to urge the following authors to upload "official" versions of their WADs?

 

Demonfear and Doom 404 by Adam "Capellan" Windsor

Zone 300 and Zone 400 by Paul "pcorf" Corfiatis

Lunar Catastrophe by Samantha "Miss Bubbles" McNallen and Derek "Count651" Pierson

Khorus' Speedy Shit by Adam "Khorus" Woodmansey

 

Those are my absolute all time favourites and having them in official the port would be hella cool.

As I type this:

 

@Capellan "last visited 2 hours ago"

@pcorf "last visited yesterday"

@Miss Bubbles "last visited 8 hours ago" and @Count651 "last visited March 8"

@Khorus "last visited April 10"

 

So I'd say you have good chances with the first three, and okay chances with the last one.

[Cantleylads]

I don't understand what the idea beind the deadzone slider's implementation is? When you lower it, you sacrifice precision aiming for a more immediate response, which kind of defeats the purpose of desiring a smaller deadzone. Most games in my experience that feature deadzone sliders don't affect the level of fine aiming accommodation, just simply when a game manifests thumbstick input.

 

The default deadzone is pretty chunky and IMO is a waste of thumbstick 'space' on a controller without major drifting. However, it's preferred over lowering the deadzone and having to contend with an instant ramp up. This is exactly how both Quake and Quake II Enhanced deadzone sliders behave. I would love to know what makes this necessary?

 

That aside, all of my issues with the previous ports have been addressed and then some:

 

- Customisable weapon binding (including BFG)

- Significantly reduced input latency, especially on Switch and Xbox One via backwards compatibility with XSX/S (in which the VSync toggle is unfortunately nullified)

- 120fps support on consoles, which of course reduces the input delay even further.

- Xbox version 'hitching' which may only be experienced/noticable by a few users, regardless of how many Xbox systems we try.

 

This is a port that goes above and beyond, just like the Quake ports, but the deadzone slider in each seems redundant in the exact same way: a pick your poison scenario. Something which doesn't affect other well made FPS when played through a controller.

 

[Kinsie]

32 minutes ago, Murdoch said:

Fonts not rendering correctly. Everything is in plain, basic fonts including the HUD messages like saving a game appearing in a basic red font with a black box around it. Verifying game cache didn't help.

You button-mashed through the initial startup and turned on all the accessibility features. Go to Options > Accessibility and turn them off.

[bobbie424242]

35 minutes ago, Trov said:

I don't think so. Otherwise demos would desync pretty much immediately and the demo player would fail to navigate around any corner or enemies.

 

Even in the desynced demo example I came up (which is probably due to monster behavior) with it takes at least 20 seconds to desync, if the movement was any different it wouldnt work at all.

 

But DSDA-Doom and Woof also feel more responsive with the keyboard too.

Maybe it is just a bit of input lag in the remaster after all or some post processing on input that does not alter demo playback in any way. That's comparing all games with capped framerate to 200 with V-sync off (Except gzdoom with v-sync on), on a 60Hz monitor. Amusingly, gzdoom feels the best in term of input responsiveness.

Also, nobody can explain me why altering cl_engineFPS requires changing mouse sensitivity in the remaster. This makes zero sense. May explain some hidden processing on mouse input (yes I have filetring disabled in settings) tied to framerate. Maybe that is related to mouse movement being perceptually slightly more sluggish in a way that is not easy to describe but that is not obvious mouse input lag.

Apparently I am the only one noticing this, so I'll stop there. Maybe I am hallucinating after all.

Edited August 11 by bobbie424242

[MundyC]

Hey! The two missing featured add-ons are back:

 

[DeDo]

I can't decide whether I really like or really hate The Coiled City (E1M6 in LoR). On one hand it's a pretty interesting deviation of standard play, on the other it can be pretty annoying with lots of trial and error. Atleast on UV. I noticed that the previous maps were trying different things, my best fit so far was E1M3.

And except for the plasma marine, I don't like the new enemies, they don't fit into Doom for me. I'd have no problem with them in Heretic/Hexen though.

[Kroc]

The plasma marine is pretty great. When we think about DOOM enemies and why they're so perfect, it's a balance of priority vs the right weapon to use. The Marine is fast and deadly when alone but mixed with other enemies is a little less so as they're more likely to infight, a nice bonus given their power output. The fire demons are kind of useless IMO? They're just another tedious hell noble that takes far too many shotgun shots, and they're not even immune to the fire weapons to give them some kind of unique weapon balance.

[x8c8r]

6 minutes ago, Kroc said:

The plasma marine is pretty great. When we think about DOOM enemies and why they're so perfect, it's a balance of priority vs the right weapon to use. The Marine is fast and deadly when alone but mixed with other enemies is a little less so as they're more likely to infight, a nice bonus given their power output. The fire demons are kind of useless IMO? They're just another tedious hell noble that takes far too many shotgun shots, and they're not even immune to the fire weapons to give them some kind of unique weapon balance.

The plasma marines just melted me on the first playthrough

[Murdoch]

17 minutes ago, Kinsie said:

You button-mashed through the initial startup and turned on all the accessibility features. Go to Options > Accessibility and turn them off.

 

Woops. Thanks. Now to try and sort the sound issue, it's making the game unplayable.

[TMMMS]

9 hours ago, Devalaous said:

COMM04: Doesn't seem to be any surviving map

the whole thing feels like an alternate take on e2m8

 

i mean the long stairway gives the impression of being inside a tower and you encounter a cyberdemon at the top

[Scuba Steve]

6 hours ago, Doomkid said:

 

I'm really confused too.

I just mean, "what the fuck, 34 pages?"

[boris]

2 hours ago, Pixel Fiend said:

Why does the movement feel so odd compared to playing on Woof? I can't get used to it for some reason.

 

1 hour ago, bobbie424242 said:

 

See my posts about it (1 and 2)  and Edward's responses after that. Yes there is a difference. There is more inertia to movement in Kex version compared to some other source ports.

 

If you're using Vulkan (that's the default) try to disable vertical sync. Or switch to D3D11.

[Trar]

That's the second crash I've experienced while playing now. I really do like this latest port but the memory leaks and crashes have got to be fixed.

 

Spoiler

IMPORTANT!: When submitting a crashlog, DO NOT modify or remove any part of this file.
DOOM caused an Access Violation Exception (0xc0000005)
in module DOOM.exe at 0033:00007ff79ce6ac2c .text:00000001402EAC2C (DOOM.exe)

Engine version: 4.3
Game version: 1.0.2265

Error occurred at 8/11/2024 10:15:30.
D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Ultimate Doom\rerelease\DOOM.exe, run by Trar.
Operating system: 10.0.19045
4 processors, type 8664.
41% memory in use.
16250 MB physical memory.
9537 MB physical memory free.
23930 MB page file.
15249 MB paging file free.
134217728 MB user address space.
134207731 MB user address space free.
Access violation at 00000000000088b8. The memory could not be read.

Context:
SegCs:        0x00000033 SegSs: 0x0000002b
ContextFlags: 0x0010005f MxCsr: 0x00001fa0 EFlags: 0x00010287
Rax: 0x00007ff79d38fb50 Rcx: 0x0000000000000000 Rdx: 0x0000000005a00000
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R9:  0x0000000000230000 R10: 0x00007ff79cb80000 R11: 0x00007ff79d29c3b1
R12: 0x8000000000000000 R13: 0x00000178665ea430 R14: 0x0000017853746180
R15: 0x00000178665ea430 Rip: 0x00007ff79ce6ac2c
Dr0: 0x0000000000000000 Dr1: 0x0000000000000000 Dr2: 0x0000000000000000
Dr3: 0x0000000000000000 Dr6: 0x0000000000000000 Dr7: 0x0000000000000000
DebugControl:         0x00007ff79ce8258f LastBranchToRip:    0x0000000000000000
LastBranchFromRip:    0x0000000000000000 LastExceptionToRip: 0x0000000000000000
LastExceptionFromRip: 0x0000000000000000

Bytes at CS:IP:
8b 81 b8 88 00 00 44 8b fe 44 2b f8 45 2b f9 41 

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Backtrace:
00007ff79ce6ac2c .text:00000001402EAC2C (DOOM.exe)
00007ff79ce805f4 .text:00000001403005F4 (DOOM.exe)
00007ff79ccd9ea5 .text:0000000140159EA5 (DOOM.exe)
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00007ff79ccd0e3f .text:0000000140150E3F (DOOM.exe)
00007ff79d2766da .text:00000001406F66DA (DOOM.exe)
00007ff8efe57374 .text:0000000180017374 (KERNEL32.DLL)
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[Edward850]

3 minutes ago, Trar said:

That's the second crash I've experienced while playing now. I really do like this latest port but the memory leaks and crashes have got to be fixed.

 

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DOOM caused an Access Violation Exception (0xc0000005)
in module DOOM.exe at 0033:00007ff79ce6ac2c .text:00000001402EAC2C (DOOM.exe)

Engine version: 4.3
Game version: 1.0.2265

Error occurred at 8/11/2024 10:15:30.
D:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Ultimate Doom\rerelease\DOOM.exe, run by Trar.
Operating system: 10.0.19045
4 processors, type 8664.
41% memory in use.
16250 MB physical memory.
9537 MB physical memory free.
23930 MB page file.
15249 MB paging file free.
134217728 MB user address space.
134207731 MB user address space free.
Access violation at 00000000000088b8. The memory could not be read.

Context:
SegCs:        0x00000033 SegSs: 0x0000002b
ContextFlags: 0x0010005f MxCsr: 0x00001fa0 EFlags: 0x00010287
Rax: 0x00007ff79d38fb50 Rcx: 0x0000000000000000 Rdx: 0x0000000005a00000
Rbx: 0x00007ff79d5834f0 Rsp: 0x00000077992ff690 Rbp: 0x0000000000000000
Rsi: 0x00000000ff200000 Rdi: 0x0000000000000000 R8:  0x00000077992ff6d0
R9:  0x0000000000230000 R10: 0x00007ff79cb80000 R11: 0x00007ff79d29c3b1
R12: 0x8000000000000000 R13: 0x00000178665ea430 R14: 0x0000017853746180
R15: 0x00000178665ea430 Rip: 0x00007ff79ce6ac2c
Dr0: 0x0000000000000000 Dr1: 0x0000000000000000 Dr2: 0x0000000000000000
Dr3: 0x0000000000000000 Dr6: 0x0000000000000000 Dr7: 0x0000000000000000
DebugControl:         0x00007ff79ce8258f LastBranchToRip:    0x0000000000000000
LastBranchFromRip:    0x0000000000000000 LastExceptionToRip: 0x0000000000000000
LastExceptionFromRip: 0x0000000000000000

Bytes at CS:IP:
8b 81 b8 88 00 00 44 8b fe 44 2b f8 45 2b f9 41 

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Backtrace:
00007ff79ce6ac2c .text:00000001402EAC2C (DOOM.exe)
00007ff79ce805f4 .text:00000001403005F4 (DOOM.exe)
00007ff79ccd9ea5 .text:0000000140159EA5 (DOOM.exe)
00007ff79cceb0cc .text:000000014016B0CC (DOOM.exe)
00007ff79ccd0e3f .text:0000000140150E3F (DOOM.exe)
00007ff79d2766da .text:00000001406F66DA (DOOM.exe)
00007ff8efe57374 .text:0000000180017374 (KERNEL32.DLL)
00007ff8f133cc91 .text:000000018004CC91 (ntdll.dll)


Stack:
0x00000077992ff690: 0000000000000006 
0x00000077992ff698: 00007ff79d5834f0 .data:0000000140A034F0 (DOOM.exe)
0x00000077992ff6a0: 6ddff15bd4754c22 
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Post the dmp file instead.

[HarperMeows]

Someone in the Nightdive Studios Discord server figured out that aiming is affected by the frame rate. Higher frame rates cause slower aiming. Lowering video settings to 60fps made it feel a lot better in my experience. Turning around was significantly faster. If anyone else was having issues with input lag like I was, limit the frame rate to 60 via console or video settings under resolution. Console command is "cl_engineFPS 60". FPS settings in-game can be found under Options > Display > Open Video Settings > Resolution. Make sure V-Sync is disabled as well.
Edit: I forgot to mention that switching the graphics API from Vulkan to D3D11 will reduce general input delay.

[Edward850]

@Kroc I program multiplayer. I cannot help you with user mod related matters outside of just telling you what is.

[bobbie424242]

31 minutes ago, HarperMeows said:

Someone in the Nightdive Studios Discord server figured out that aiming is affected by the frame rate. Higher frame rates cause slower aiming. Lowering video settings to 60fps made it feel a lot better in my experience. Turning around was significantly faster. If anyone else was having issues with input lag like I was, limit the frame rate to 60 via console or video settings under resolution. Console command is "cl_engineFPS 60". FPS settings in-game can be found under Options > Display > Open Video Settings > Resolution. Make sure V-Sync is disabled as well.
Edit: I forgot to mention that switching the graphics API from Vulkan to D3D11 will reduce general input delay.

 

After more testing (vsync off, Vulkan) I think that increasing cl_engineHZ alongside cl_engineFPS reduces sluggish input both for mouse and keyboard. cl_engineHZ 240 (this is the maximum) combined with cl_engineFPS 240 (or cl_engineFPS 0 to uncap it although it seems to be hard capped at 300) seems to give good results.

Amusingly, cl_engineHZ affects the console cursor blinking speed so if you set it to 240 it will blink super fast and if you set it to 10 (the minimum value) it will be very slow. Weird beast this Kex engine.

Edited August 11 by bobbie424242

[bobbie424242]

1 hour ago, boris said:

 

 

If you're using Vulkan (that's the default) try to disable vertical sync. Or switch to D3D11.

 

Unlike Vulkan, D3D11 seems to result in no input lag (the subtle one I am reffering to in my previous posts, not very obvious lag caused by vsync on) with cl_engineHZ 60 and cl_engineFPS 60 (which is the default). But vsync has to be off (I could never have the Kex engine not have massive input lag with vsync on anyway, no matter what). Interestingly, D3D11 is less performant and less consistent than Vulkan for high framerates: for example on Doom2 E1M1 with framerate uncapped, Vulkan reaches constant 300 fps while D3D11 is 150-230.

Edited August 11 by bobbie424242

[hobomaster22]

1 minute ago, bobbie424242 said:

 

Unlike Vulkan, D3D11 seems to result in no input lag (the subtle one I am reffering to in my previous posts, not very obvious lag caused by vsync on) with cl_engineHZ 60 and cl_engineFPS 60 (which is the default). But vsync has to be off. I could never have the Kex engine not have massive input lag with vsync on anyway, no matter what.

I can confirm on my Windows 11 machine that the graphics API being set to Vulkan prevents it from detecting it as a game and doesn't set to exclusive fullscreen. Changing it D3D11 and restarting the app correctly detects on my Windows 11 laptop. Windows not detecting and setting it as exclusive would introduce lag because of the window buffering that occurs. The easiest way I have found to confirm if an app is running exclusive fullscreen is by using the volume up/down shortcuts that trigger the volume tray. If the app is in exclusive fullscreen it won't render.

[cybdmn]

2 hours ago, DeDo said:

And except for the plasma marine, I don't like the new enemies, they don't fit into Doom for me.

 

Even back in Scythe 2, the plasma marine was kind of annoying.

[Doomkid]

5 hours ago, Xaser said:

This is akin to extracting every sprite from doom2.wad and posting 'em up in a thread titled something like "Doom2.wad resources for Ultimate Doom users!" or somesuch.

As far as copyright is concerned, of course - but this is also kind of revisionist.. You know as well as I do that it's been common community practice to compile all the unused Doom assets into big packs and share them around freely on the forums for modders to use for all of Doom history until now.

 

You're one of the very people who has done this in the past, lol - alongside Romero, fraggle, etc.. If that is no longer cool, despite having always been cool in the past, that's fine.. It's just kind of weird (as in, hypocritical) to have a history of doing literally exactly what I did in that thread - compiling and sharing the unused assets for convenience - then compare it to sharing iwad assets when I do it.. Also there's also a pretty clear moral distinction between sharing used sprites (from doom2.wad) and unused assets, in my opinion.

 

However if the vault has everything the old unused resource packs like 1993res and such had (sans the unused MIDIs, for very obvious copyright related reasons) then that's my main concern addressed - I was for some reason under the impression it lacked stuff that was, prior to now, readily available.

[bobbie424242]

31 minutes ago, hobomaster22 said:

I can confirm on my Windows 11 machine that the graphics API being set to Vulkan prevents it from detecting it as a game and doesn't set to exclusive fullscreen. Changing it D3D11 and restarting the app correctly detects on my Windows 11 laptop. Windows not detecting and setting it as exclusive would introduce lag because of the window buffering that occurs. The easiest way I have found to confirm if an app is running exclusive fullscreen is by using the volume up/down shortcuts that trigger the volume tray. If the app is in exclusive fullscreen it won't render.

 

You might be onto something here with Vulkan not being fullscreen exclusive introducing input lag. Although it seems to not affect D3D11 which also does not operate in exclusive mode either when in "Fullscreen" mode in settings (unless the "Disable full screen optimization" checkbox is enabled for doom.exe in its properties panel - this allows fullscreen exclusive but only for D3D11, does not work for Vulkan). From what I can tell there is no way to force a Vulkan program to operate in fullscreen exclusive mode. There is a Vulkan extension for that though, but it's up to the developer to use it.

[phoo]

I'm kinda late to this thread, so maybe somebody already mentioned this. But I found something a little buggy. There's the bug in doom that allows you to instantly raise/lower floors and ceilings (ex: make a floor go in the down direction, but tell it to go the highest adjacent floor that is higher than it, so that it immediately jumps up.). This does not seem to work, it seems like it was patched, so maps that intentionally exploit this bug may not function correctly.

[kevansevans]

I’ve reached out to my Bethesda contact to let them know the modding community here is looking for a formal legality statement on the new content. This is not a promise that we’ll get a response, nor is it confirmation/denial of if we can use the assets and we just have to wait for the statement.

 

But if I do get one, and if I’m allowed to share, I’ll share it here as soon as I can.

[Rampy470]

So if the entire game is really quiet for anyone else, for some reason the master volume setting is set to 0.5 by default and the only way to fix it is with console commands or config editing. In C:\Users\<username>\Saved Games\Nightdive Studios\DOOM, open kexengine.cfg and where it says seta snd_mastervolume "0.5" change it to 1. This does not fix the original soundtrack being way too quiet but it's something.

 

Weirdly enough this isn't the first time something akin this has happened with a Nightdive id game; when their otherwise excellent Quake remaster shipped that backwards movespeed was inexplicably halved and you had to use a console command to fix that too.

[Wadmodder Shalton]

Does this port support Doom 1.2 and 1.666 demo recordings or not?

[Edward850]

5 minutes ago, Wadmodder Shalton said:

Does this port support Doom 1.2 and 1.666 demo recordings or not?

Why would it?

[Wadmodder Shalton]

Just now, Edward850 said:

Why would it?

Since early 1994 wads like NJDoom were recorded on versions before 1.9