Capitol Hill has gone too far

[Laguna]

http://money.cnn.com/2003/04/18/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/index.htm

Read that bullshit.

I understand a topic was made before about ESRB, but this well surpasses it! Capitol Hill has gone WAY TOO FUCKING FAR this time! I urge everyone to promptly go and take a piss in Joe Lieberman's mailbox, along with all the other hippy faggots trying to destroy the beautiful gaming industry.

Oh, and if the fags from the government ever see this, I'm playing Grand Theft Auto: Vice City right now, this very moment, with a can of pop in my hand, and I'm beating the piss out of a cop in it, too, with a CHAINSAW! Oh, and I, through my magical voodoo skills, managed to get Tommy Vercetti to anal-rape a rollerskating bikini chick on Washington Beach!

In summary, I basically hope Joe Lieberman gets assraped by a big black man with a 24" dick while having his eyelids ripped off and being forced to watch a loop of the bathroom scene from Doom III... Which Capitol Hill is ALSO trying to restrict!

You guys have to send letters into your congressmen about this, telling them how you feel, WE can make a difference!

Laguna

[insertwackynamehere]

You know, they always neglect to mention the millions of kids who don't blow up thier schools after playing "violent" video games. Which is a better headline: "Boy, 16, Charged With Murder; Police Say Violent Video Games Triggered His Anger" or "Boy, 16, Played Infamous Action Game, 'Doom', And Led A Normal, Happy Life"? Obviously, the second one applies more, but does it sell papers? It's not fair, because just because Harris and Klebold had problems, it doesn't mean everyone does. Doom may have been a way for them to vent thier anger, yes, but the anger and hate itself was already there, and could have/would have been nurtured by something else, if there was no such thing as Doom.

Oh yeah, how about the government bans swastikas, flaming crosses, and all the other rascist shit lying around, before they start banning video-games. I'm not liberal, and I'm usually pro-government and pro-America, and for all of our wars, but things like this piss me off.

[Sephiroth]

it punishes sale of games to minors. it does not ban games.
while i see a point to this and would agree u should not sell certian games to kids. hey i dont sells kids porn. however i think the punishment should be similar to selling a kid a R rated movie or porn. no 500 fine, thats just lame.

yes alot of it is llama screwing hippy morons.

[Goat]

whatever does happen, im sincerely pissed about it. capitol hill? more like capital hill. im just fucking glad that i will be old enough to buy any game they chose to target in about 5 months when im 18.

[insertwackynamehere]

Goat said:

whatever does happen, im sincerely pissed about it. capitol hill? more like capital hill. im just fucking glad that i will be old enough to buy any game they chose to target in about 5 months when im 18.

Stop gloating ;-)

[Ichor]

Oh yes, sending letters like Laguna's post to the congressmen certinaly will make a difference...just not the way you intended.

[Tyockell]

Bah thats fucking stupid.

[DooMBoy]

Indeed, if anything the outcome will be more negative than your original post.

[Jonathan]

Edit: After reading the article, frankly I can't make sense of what the law will actually mean, so I'll reserve comment.

[EllipsusD]

And on the other end of the spectrum...

[deathbringer]

*Thinks about making detailed design documents for gay doom to offend people, like the fun obituraty messages that pop up when you murder different members of the royal family*

oh wait, in it you play as someone gay, so laguna would want them to be sent to the gas chambers, my mistake

[Laguna]

I have a few points I need to refine:

I am not a bigot of any kind. The words I used "faggot" were not meant to be taken literally as offensive with a homosexual connotation... If I have offended anyone, I am sorry. I, for the record, have had gay friends (though not gay myself) and I find them to be human beings.

However, I find the entire "notion" to ban video games across America as ludicrous as the illustrious and noble Right Wingers' attempt to impeach William Clinton for getting a blowjob in the oval office. You people need to understand that moral bigots like Lieberman will NOT do this country any good, because of the sheer diversity of culture in this country. And I think there are less moral bigots than there are morally liberal, insomuch as I do not know (nor have I known for the years I've been here) a single person who is so extremely uptight about morality that he would condemn one to hell for masturbating, etc...

Another thing I find laughable is Lieberprick's statement about how Vice City "celebrates violence against women." LOL! What a cheesy hook to grab the saints in with! So, what about it demonstrating violence against the homeless? We saw that just as much! Honestly I am GLAD Gore and Lieberman didn't win the election now that I have seen how much of a fucktard the would-be Vice President is (not that Cheney is much better, if he's even alive anymore where the fuck is that guy?).

The uhhh, Insert name guy (lol) made a good point:

Why don't they talk about the NORMAL kids who don't blow up their schools? It's true, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris played violent video games. What's false? Doom didn't make them do it, they did it because they were stupid pathetic fuckers who hated being picked on. It can happen to ANYONE.

Do you think the crazy sandmonkeys that bombed the WTC ALL played Doom, and Grand Theft Auto, and games like that? Jesus Christ there were MORE of those turban-wearing walking carpets onboard those 3 planes than there were ALTOGETHER in school shootings incidents.

I wouldn't recommend sending a letter to a congressmen that follows the same suit as this one, though, because that could get you into trouble, but I want everyone to be informed about this.

Know that future games do not just shape the GAMING industry, they shape ALL scientific industries when new technologies are being introduced! This DOES affect us hardcore old-school Doomguys/gals who have played "violent and offensive" (as they call them) games since Wolf3D... I doubt Joe Lieberman has ever even bothered to take the little Nintendo controller paddle stuck up his anus out to play a violent computer game. If he did, he'd know that unless he's totally nuts, he'd probably be able to walk into a hotel or restaurant tomorrow without cannibalizing and sexually ravaging every person inhabiting the same general space as himself. Though I hope he doesn't think nobody plays these games and that they're a threat coming at us... If he does he needs to be in a straightjacket, not in a chair at the Capitol.

Why? Lieberman is concerned with his own public reputation. The sheer obviousness of the truth is the statement in the URL I included in my first post to this thread... "...Celebrates violence against women" was the main point of his stupid bitchfest, yet he made little or no emphasis about violence against police officers or the less-fortunates like the homeless. Obviously he is so narrow-minded that he is being far more sexist than he depicts Rockstar games to be, just because he neglected to mention anything else that would be meritorious to his pathetic campaign. Those who look at it in the true light will see that he doesn't care much for anyone but himself, because he is being condescending by trying to get the most support from the females in government affairs, by that statement, and most females that are woefully shallow and ignorant like him, which are as numbered as the male-counterpart populace at Capitol Hill, will agree with him.

This is why I miss Slick Willy. :(

You guys need to really think about this stuff, it may not seem like a big deal to you now, but remember the drastic events that things like the Brady Bill put into motion! Congress has plenty of fake, fabricated "sparks" to set this can of Kerosene ablaze, mostly the school shootings which are more associated with stupid careless kids and bad parenting.

But hey, don't take my word for it, I'm a total nutjob, I've played Doom and Wolfenstein for 10 years now and soon I'll become the next Ted Bundy because I play Vice City, and Doom3! Shit, maybe I'll be Charlie Manson! ...Oh wait, I need to snap out of the Joe Lieberman mentality now. That stuff doesn't really happen.

Spending precious tax dollars on banning video games = Bad Karma

Spending precious tax dollars on children's shelters, schooling, neighborhood watch funding, parental involvement program funds, etc = The right way to go if you're that FUCKING concerned about your kid bringing a shotgun to school and killing people... It doesn't really happen solely from someone playing a fucking video game, and if a video game, or Satan, or the underpants gnomes make you kill someone, well, sorry, you were FUCKED UP to begin with, the games had nothing to do with it at all.

[Tyockell]

All in all I think it just gives people something to blame when really these people are just fucking crazy or they just cracked all of a sudden.

[Goat]

that is one of the most heartfelt posts on this subject that ive ever read and i believe it deserves to be read by as many people who care about this shit as possible.

[Sephiroth]

honestly i didnt like GTA:3 or vice city. Postal 2 is a complete satire made just to ruffle feathers, and yes it is fun to play.

I find people here spend so much time trying to blame the easy rather than do anything worthwhile. The whole bill clinton thing made me lose all faith in the way our government is run. All it is anymore is 2 sides caught in a power struggle. Doing little to help society at all. one side passes a law to stab at the other, and the other side repeals and passes a new law. some laws make no sence. come on we spent time and resources on trying to kick a president who boned some chick. had we spent equal time on enron there would have be true justice.
The economy is being rigged by companies to make more profits. My mom's company layed off many workers and then has everyone on required overtime. However they are doing alot of work and getting far more income than in any of the past years. when i say required overtime i mean 60+ hour weeks and they DONT get paid! they have been doing this for over 2 months. personaly i would report.
Look at microsoft, RIAA, Compaq and such big name companies. they take away alot of consumer choices. Buy this and use only this, you have no say in the product. many laptops now will ONLY work with a certian version of windowsXP. not allowing choices for other software or operating systems. The make hardware firmware so it willnot function with another OS. ALso most of the time it is a 'rigged" verson of the OS. installing some spyware and many useless junk.

The columbine thing, I mean they blammed doom, manson and a crap load of shit. the only things they did not blam was, ignoring mental breakdown signs, parents, school peer presure, school social grouipings and other such important things. I mean if u have a rigid social order and high stress levels you are gonna have many more shootings and violent incidents.

[Lizardcommando]

Sephiroth said:

the only things they did not blam was, ignoring mental breakdown signs, parents, school peer presure, school social grouipings and other such important things. I mean if u have a rigid social order and high stress levels you are gonna have many more shootings and violent incidents.

Don't forget bullying! Oh wait, you kinda mentioned that... Anyways, bullying is what I think is the main reason why Columbine happened. I mean, come on! They provoked the two kids to do it!

[Scuba Steve]

deathbringer said:

gay doom

yes

[Amaster]

Who said anything about banning video games? Can the dramatics. All they're doing is imposing penalties for selling "adult" games to kids. Just like movies. Guess what, I'm all for it. 500 dollars is a little steep though.

[Ultraviolet]

Lizardcommando said:

Don't forget bullying! Oh wait, you kinda mentioned that... Anyways, bullying is what I think is the main reason why Columbine happened. I mean, come on! They provoked the two kids to do it!

Ah yes, the cycle by which we all allow ourselves to be victims. STFU and let the blame fall on the perpetrator, right where it belongs. If people choose to be responsible for their own actions then they are choosing not to be victims unless in circumstances where it actually is out of their control.

And I second that "yes" to gay doom.

[Laguna]

Thank you Goat, if that was meant toward me.

Yes it is no laughing matter, these things are serious issues and they not only interrupt our Doom-goody gaming fun, but it is also UNCONSTITUTIONAL! Check out the Bill of Rights, which states:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

But then again, like everything else it will be horrendously translated to a "crime against society" instead of "freedom of speech/expression."

We have a convicted child molestor living down the road from me, here in rural Brainerd. Of the WORST places to fucking put him, they put him on a PUBLICLY LICENSED HORSEMANSHIP TRAINING RANCH! MANY people of all ages, from 9 - 90 go to that ranch as part of a therapy pets program. My girlfriend is a volunteer there, she works with the mentally handicapped and elderly to teach them how to ride horses.

Answer me this, for all you moral fundamentalists, or ask a moral fundamentalist:

Who's the bigger threat and concern to your neighborhood?

A). A kid playing a violent VIDEO GAME and listening to NIN

or

B). A convicted serial child rapist who is living near a public access area in a FOREST?

You know what's even better? The LOCAL GOVERNMENT PUT THIS GUY NEAR THIS PLACE ON PURPOSE!

If Lieberman were to attack things like that more than video games, maybe, just MAYBE I'd hate him a little less.

You tell me where the moral fundamentalists are when my girlfriend is around a creep like that, and all thanks to the local police dropping him there, when there are more children around him than anywhere... Fuck, that's like giving Fat Bastard a key to Wendy's and letting him lay a cot down in the kitchen to stay overnight!

There's government, law enforcement, and politics for you.

[Amaster]

Laguna said:

...but it is also UNCONSTITUTIONAL! Check out the Bill of Rights, which states...

Doesnt apply to minors.

[Goat]

Laguna said:

Thank you Goat, if that was meant toward me.

it was

[Laguna]

Assmaster said:

Doesnt apply to minors.

The bill of rights applies to EVERYONE. Minors can legally own guns, even, but they can do so only at their legal guardian's discretion.

There are obviously some exceptions like infants and mentally ill, but anyone who can wipe their own ass pretty much is what it applies to.

I'm still technically a minor, but I can do what I want, provided I face the consequences. If I want to go take a flag and set it on fire and throw it up on the steps to the State Capitol building, I can do it and nobody can stop me... That's an example, though, I'd never do that, because, as much as I think politicians are crooked motherfuckers I do still like my country.

Don't know where it says in the constitution that minors are not legal citizens... The only thing I know of in the amendments is the voting rights which says that no limit shall be imposed that is higher than 18 years of age, yet is fully constitutional at 18 years of age for a requisite.

Otherwise it is all just state and federal bills which are subject to change at any time.

[Amaster]

Laguna said:

The bill of rights applies to EVERYONE.

There are obviously some exceptions like infants and mentally ill, but anyone who can wipe their own ass pretty much is what it applies to.

Well, that was pointless.

Otherwise it is all just state and federal bills which are subject to change at any time.

Bingo.

[Linguica]

Whine whine whine. Where's your moral outrage against theaters not letting those under 17 in to see R-rated movies? Why can't minors buy nudie magazines? ISN'T THAT FREEDOM OF SPEECH?!?!?!?

You typed so fucking much that I just stopped when I saw you say "ban video games" the first time because you obviously don't get it. This bill is not to ban video games, that's impossible and illegal. It's to restrict the sale of violent video games to impressionable kiddies just like you, and there's nothing wrong with that. If you don't like it, then vote in new politicians. Wait, you can't vote. Never mind.

[Lizardcommando]

Ultraviolet said:

Ah yes, the cycle by which we all allow ourselves to be victims. STFU and let the blame fall on the perpetrator, right where it belongs. If people choose to be responsible for their own actions then they are choosing not to be victims unless in circumstances where it actually is out of their control.

Woah! Alright already! You make a good point there. No matter how much they were bullied, it still doesn't give them the right to take some people's lives away. That's what you mean right?

[Laguna]

Linguica said:

Whine whine whine. Where's your moral outrage against theaters not letting those under 17 in to see R-rated movies? Why can't minors buy nudie magazines? ISN'T THAT FREEDOM OF SPEECH?!?!?!?

You typed so fucking much that I just stopped when I saw you say "ban video games" the first time because you obviously don't get it. This bill is not to ban video games, that's impossible and illegal. It's to restrict the sale of violent video games to impressionable kiddies just like you, and there's nothing wrong with that. If you don't like it, then vote in new politicians. Wait, you can't vote. Never mind.

lol Linguica you're still the same stupid asshole you've always been!

For one, I never said they were BANNING video games, but you can bet your sweet ban-happy forum asshole little buttcheeks that it will pop up some day.

I'll be registered voter in less than a half-year, Ling, sorry to disappoint you.

You're obviously the only impressionable one here... Why don't you type up "ACLU tries to ban video games" on a Google or something else and you'll see how it all fits in.

Damn, Ling... I guess my encounters with other crappy admins have numbed my sense of pity for you... lol

Your demeanor is so ripe for a deserving comment that I am not going to make since I don't want to stoop to your level, though I somehow sense you'll go on one of your kiddie fits-of-rage and ban another person from the forums because they "fucked with you" as you put it, again.

Have fun, Sausage boy!
Laguna

[Lizardcommando]

Laguna said:

lol Linguica you're still the same stupid asshole you've always been!

For one, I never said they were BANNING video games, but you can bet your sweet ban-happy forum asshole little buttcheeks that it will pop up some day.

I'll be registered voter in less than a half-year, Ling, sorry to disappoint you.

You're obviously the only impressionable one here... Why don't you type up "ACLU tries to ban video games" on a Google or something else and you'll see how it all fits in.

Damn, Ling... I guess my encounters with other crappy admins have numbed my sense of pity for you... lol

Your demeanor is so ripe for a deserving comment that I am not going to make since I don't want to stoop to your level, though I somehow sense you'll go on one of your kiddie fits-of-rage and ban another person from the forums because they "fucked with you" as you put it, again.

Have fun, Sausage boy!
Laguna

Ling still has admin powers?

[Goat]

aww man we've gone so long without anyone getting mad at an (maybe) admin. lets not start it now!!! ling, dont say anything back plz lets have some order. laguna plz apologize. i dont want this board turning into some other boards im a member of where theres constant bickering

[Laguna]

The ADULT entertainment industry is an ADULT industry. Obviously there are many moral statutes that I believe are fair and justly put because exposure of minors to sexual experiences, whether real or fantasized, is always risky. Granted, I think people my age are able to deal with all things sexual, the line is drawn at what is okay for minors to get into like video games (fantasy) or potentially corrosive material (pornography).

Pornography is not going to necessarily make someone kill or rape either, but pornography, like video games, can be addictive and porn is one thing you don't want to get addicted to... When you're addicted to porn, THEN you start to change for the worst...

So Ling, you must be the one that wants to expose children to sexual perversion and exploration, when they're pre-pubescent... Is that what you're trying to say?