Pain elemental question?

[Igor9]

In the original Doom2, was there a limit to the number of lost souls spawned by the pain elementals?

[Fredrik]

Yes, 20.

[Grazza]

Well, 21. If the current number of lost souls is greater than 20, PEs cannot spawn lost souls.

[Sporku]

That doesn't include most source ports, in which case Pain Elementals can spawn an unlimited (?) amount of lost souls.

[Grazza]

Only if you define "Legacy" as "most source ports". AFAIK that's the only one that doesn't even allow the limit (one of the reasons I stopped using it, BTW). In Zdoom it is a compatibility option, for instance.

[Graf Zahl]

Grazza said:

Only if you define "Legacy" as "most source ports". AFAIK that's the only one that doesn't even allow the limit (one of the reasons I stopped using it, BTW). In Zdoom it is a compatibility option, for instance.

You're right. Legacy is the only source port that has the LS-limit completely commented out in the source. Totally pathetic, if you ask me. Like the voodoo-doll thing this again is a serious compatibility issue. Although I like most enhancements of the source ports this is the only compatiblity option I have permanently turned on. Map09 of Doom2 just doesn't have nearly enough ammo if the PE's aren't prevented from endlessly spawning Lost Souls.

[Grimm]

You could always chainsaw them, unless you're being silly and doing pistol-starts.

[Graf Zahl]

Grimm said:

You could always chainsaw them, unless you're being silly and doing pistol-starts.

I'd rather use a source port that can play Doom correctly. There are enough of them out there.