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Glaice

Spam legal in the States

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Get a spam filtering program. I haven't received a single spam this past month after installing one.

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welcome to capitalism fellows. i know spyware has been getting even worse. spyware is usally what gets u the spam.

sence i cut spyware out of my system spam is almost no exsistant

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If a couple thousand spams a day in my inbox is what it takes to keep a few companies alive, I'm all for it.

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I think this has to do with the particular type of spam you would get from a company you have had dealings with, (eg) that little radio button at the end of an online order that says "yes I would like to receive blah blah blah." At least that's what I interpret from "legit."

I'm positive Bush didn't sign off on porno advertisements being sent to AOL accounts, or those third party System Works or Viagra emails.

And the national "do not call" list is still in place, afaik there is no "do not spam" list available.

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AndrewB said:

Last month, the pressure group Spamhaus denounced the bill, saying it would have the effect of legalising spam throughout the US.

"Can-Spam says that 23 million US businesses can all begin spamming all US e-mail addresses as long as they give users a way to opt-out, which users can do by following the instructions of each spammer," said the group.

"Anyone with any sense would of course realise that if Can-Spam becomes law, opting out of spammers' lists will very likely become the main daytime activity for most US e-mail users in 2004."

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Well, I wouldn't be surprised if a "can-spam" or "anti-spam" bill had the purpose of making it easier to spam, most notibly with the Bush administration. After all, they've authored such best-sellers as the "clear-air initiative" (which involved eliminating most industry pollution restrictions).

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It'll be even worse in the future...when everyone is force-fed TCPA, every spam company in the country will have no difficulty getting a licence. (if it helps companies, it's legal after all so the TCPA won't turn them all down, especially when they'll turn a huge profit from the fees they'll get)

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Bloodshedder said:

This law doesn't keep you from complaining to the spammer's ISPs, which is what really needs to be done.

Hard when you get 300 spams a day though?

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Bloodshedder said:

This law doesn't keep you from complaining to the spammer's ISPs, which is what really needs to be done.


but if their spam is now legal it doesn't matter (and I have yet to see an opt out that works)

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I haven't decided whether I'm pro or con spam yet. It's a matter of privacy vs. free speech and I haven't thought about it enough to decide whether or not I'd want it banned.

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Cyb said:

but if their spam is now legal it doesn't matter (and I have yet to see an opt out that works)

There are plenty of things that are legal but can be disallowed by the ISP's terms of service. Sending unsolicited commercial e-mail is one of those things.

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Bloodshedder said:
This law doesn't keep you from complaining to the spammer's ISPs, which is what really needs to be done.

The ISPs of internet based spamming corporations? I'm sure they can have their own internet infrastructure/service to spam you with.

But anyway, poor Dubya, he signed with "skepticism."

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Deathman said:

He's too fucking dumb to know what he is doing. He doesn't even know what spam is...

Hahaha I would laugh if after he signed all this he got a big report of all computers in the White House over loaded with spam and viruses and him just sitting there wide-eyed thinking he just legalized rubber meat in a can. :P

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DOOM Anomaly said:

...sitting there wide-eyed thinking he just legalized rubber meat in a can. :P

Nice phrase. Is it an Aussie thing? ;) (heh, I forget if you live Down Under, so correct me if I'm wrong)

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Deathman said:

He's too fucking dumb to know what he is doing. He doesn't even know what spam is...

Ouch, hurtful, hurtful words!

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IMO, the issue with spam is not as much whether they send it to you or not, as which companies have the common courtesy to spam discriminately. I mean, I'd much rather have 10 spams per day from companies I may actually give a shit about, than 10,000 that I don't. The bastards send their spam indiscriminately, which may make 1% say "cool. *buys*," 9% say "thanks but no thanks," and the other 90% get pissed off because the spam's company has absolutely nothing to do with what the person needs.

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myk said:

The ISPs of internet based spamming corporations? I'm sure they can have their own internet infrastructure/service to spam you with.

Well, there are certain companies that advertise themselves as having "Bullet-proof" hosting. Usually these companies are based in countries like China and Korea, where many of the ISPs there don't really care about their users spamming. However, the majority of American and European ISPs, as well as backbone providers, take any violation of their terms of service, such as spamming, very seriously.

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