Disorder Posted August 29, 2001 You're a good sport Lament. Loads of other people here would've flamed me. =) 0 Share this post Link to post
Liam Posted August 30, 2001 (Sigh) That really makes me feel old to hear you call Nirvana & Green Day old punk. I thought you were going to mention the likes of Black Flag, Plasmatics, Clash, Ramones. Yeah, I can get into them too, but I'm keeping it recent enough for some of the 13/14/15 year old dudes here who aren't sure what you're talking about. But now that I think about it, it prolly wouldn't be much of a problem. It's funny, because I tend to lump Offspring/Blink 182/Sum 41 together into the same basic youthful, happy-sounding punk. The Offspring is on the VERGE of selling their souls to MTV. The new Offspring singles are kinda crappy like blink/sum, but their older stuff is the SHIT. 0 Share this post Link to post
HateFactor Posted August 30, 2001 lament: No wait, I said that... as did he... lut: I really hope that wasn't directed at my post. it was What talent is there to appreciate? Sure they got an act together, OK, there's some talent there alright. But it's not outstanding. I can appreciate the effort, but with such better music around, I'll never find myself listening to that stuff. I am selective; if I were to listening to everything from somebody with just the slightest amount of talent, I'd never have to a single song over again in my entire lifetime. I guess some people would enjoy that, but I'm picky and I prefer only the best. I've never had a problem acquiring it either, so I don't know why you think I'd go for the less effective stuff when I have the more effective stuff right here. you know what, it's perfectly fine not to like something as long as you respect somebody else's choice, and recognize that (in this case) slipknot has talent...just listen carefully to their albums...saying they're talentless is pretty much the most ignorant thing i heard somebody say in the longest time...i'm not forcing you to like their music, just accept the FACT that even though you might not like their music, they're talented at what they do... fraggle: how about you come up with an intelligent comment, at least once in your lifetime? Liam the Bard : And BTW, I just noticed you talking about how they didn't get popular 'cause of image. I didn't used to want to admit it, but THEY DID. If they were a bunch of normal guys singing and playing like that everybody would hate him. i don't really care if a band gets popular, as long as the music stays good and the band remains true to itself...i know i like them (as well as slipknot) for the good reasons, so that's all that matters really... 0 Share this post Link to post
læmænt Posted August 30, 2001 lament: No wait, I said that... as did he... Yeah, but you called him an idiot, and not me. I want to be an idiot too. 0 Share this post Link to post
fraggle Posted August 30, 2001 fraggle: how about you come up with an intelligent comment, at least once in your lifetime? It was a joke reply to a comment that didnt really merit any serious consideration, as I'm sure everyone (except you, clearly), could see. Jokes on you. 0 Share this post Link to post
Liam Posted August 30, 2001 Hatefactor: How old are you buddy? I stopped listening to clown bands during a recently occuring week of emotional puberty (something I thought was over several months ago... damn my 13 year old self). I really had a few of the same reasons you did, just worded better. Anywho, I admire what Slipknot, Manson, and Mudvayne are trying to do and be through their music, but the bottom line is that they're failing at it. 0 Share this post Link to post
HateFactor Posted August 31, 2001 fraggle: sure it was friend...sure it was... liam: excuse me? you dare to question my personal OPPINIONS, and then proceed to insult me making assumptions about my age, and maturity level? how is age relevant? alas, i have met many 13 year olds who seemed more mature than you... clown bands? i'm sorry but i don't consider slipknot a "clown band" as you put it, and i do like them for their music...99% of the people i've ever met in person, or on the internet like them for the same reasons - if that's the case, then would the image be the cause of their success?... they're not an MTV band - their songs don't get any airplay - what most people only know about them is their image - usually at first they are turned off by it - i know i did for the first few months; i refused to listen to their music because of it...but many don't even bother to do that, so they ignore them... i'm sorry that i am not as wise and almighty as you are, and don't think most of slipknot's fame came from their image (not talking about mudvayne and manson - both of the bands admitted their image is one of the primary focuses...)...looking back at my post i don't see how i have done you wrong - have i ever questioned you? no...have i ever disagreed with you? maybe - to an extent...as i said before, what i posted were my own oppinions on the subject...if you don't like them fine, just respect them and me...i'm sorry but i don't like people that push their ideals onto me...and i'm sorry my statements aren't worded "better" as you put it - for only living in america for 3 years, i think i am doing pretty well... 0 Share this post Link to post
Lost Soul Posted August 31, 2001 When you all get older, you will realise it's not the music, it's what is happening in your life at that moment that creats a link to "wow this is good" in your brain. As you listen to what you consider is "great" you will realise you stopped listening, and started thinking about something in your life at that moment, forming a link that even 20 years later, upon hearing it, will bring back those memories, so creating a "classic" Quite true on every count. But, going back to the taste of music pretaining to what is going on in your life ATM, what if you are into a band for many years on end? the same thing shoudln't constanly be happening.. how is that kind of link generated? 0 Share this post Link to post
pilottobombadier Posted August 31, 2001 My music collection is ZZ Top, Aerosmith, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, White/Rob Zombie, David Wilcox, Jeff Beck, Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Halford(and if he releases one more cd that's half-filled with fag-anthems, I'm boycotting him), Frank Zappa, Monster Magnet, Motorhead, Rammstein, Primal Fear, Van Halen, and a handful of soundtracks, as well as a few comedy cd's (Robin Williams, Cheech and Chong, etc.) and Judas Priest Tribute CD, which I must say isn't all that bad. And that's just my stuff. Of my dad's stuff, I like the Beatles, Dire Straits, the Eagles, Bruce Springsteen, older Elton John (as in older than the 80's), and Tears for Fears. And that's about it. 0 Share this post Link to post
Lüt Posted August 31, 2001 you know what, it's perfectly fine not to like something as long as you respect somebody else's choice, and recognize that (in this case) slipknot has talent...just listen carefully to their albums...saying they're talentless is pretty much the most ignorant thing i heard somebody say in the longest time...i'm not forcing you to like their music, just accept the FACT that even though you might not like their music, they're talented at what they do...No, they're not talentless, I didn't mean to imply that - they could probably kick my ass playing that kinda music anyday. BUT, I'm looking at them in the professional world - you may be the best level designer in your town, who everybody praises and worships and blah blah blah, but step into the professional world of game developers, and you could be a joke. I'm comparing them to other people who have more talent and saying they don't come close - NOT saying they don't have talent at all. It's just that with their level of success, you'd expect a little more originality and skill. Not that they don't have any at all. And yes, I am quick to rip on things for the sake of arguing, but songwriting skill and complexity isn't something that can be based on opinion - what it does for the listener is. Right now, I appreciate good and complex songwriting skill over moody music because as an aspiring songwriter, it's extremely entertaining to see and hear how these people can manipulate the same old 88 notes into such different soundscapes - I do like simple-but-effective stuff, but it's just not my thing right now. Even though I like some of the simpler stuff a lot more than some of the complex stuff, I still can't argue who has the most talent based on what my personal favorite songs and albums are. 0 Share this post Link to post
captmellow Posted August 31, 2001 Lüt, you sound mellower this morning. Are your seritonin levels higher? 0 Share this post Link to post
HateFactor Posted August 31, 2001 point well taken...then again you have to consider the fact that some band members may not be showing their full potential on most of the songs...the lead guitarist (mick) for instance has been playing guitar for 17 years now, and suposedly is one of the best technical players out there, but the music his band plays doesn't allow him to express himself fully...well the good news is he's releasing a solo album next year - who knows, maybe the band is more talented than people suspect? well see... *flies off* 0 Share this post Link to post
captmellow Posted August 31, 2001 On Mudvayne... Heh, just a coupla weeks ago I was into them, then I dumped them. I don't know what people see in that gravely voice the singer has, and all their potential good songs are ruined by the HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE guitar riffs. You are the capricious one, eh? When you mercurial allegiance shifts again, can I have your Cake cd? 0 Share this post Link to post
captmellow Posted August 31, 2001 point well taken...then again you have to consider the fact that some band members may not be showing their full potential on most of the songs...the lead guitarist (mick) for instance has been playing guitar for 17 years now, and suposedly is one of the best technical players out there, but the music his band plays doesn't allow him to express himself fully... Interesting. I could tell there was some kind of progressive, math-rock type of influence in there. What style did he play? 0 Share this post Link to post
Liam Posted August 31, 2001 On Mudvayne... Heh, just a coupla weeks ago I was into them, then I dumped them. I don't know what people see in that gravely voice the singer has, and all their potential good songs are ruined by the HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE guitar riffs. You are the capricious one, eh? When you mercurial allegiance shifts again, can I have your Cake cd? Hah. Funny, I s'pose. But still, how dare you suggest that I will give away Cake CDs? I've been listening to cake since I was 8 or something (although I didn't love them as much as I do now) and I'm not about to stop. So THERE! /me sticks out toungue 0 Share this post Link to post
fraggle Posted August 31, 2001 fraggle: sure it was friend...sure it was... It's a JeffK quote. I was calling you a moron. Jesus christ, get a fucking clue. 0 Share this post Link to post
fraggle Posted August 31, 2001 clown bands? i'm sorry but i don't consider slipknot a "clown band" as you put it, "Clown band" is a very appropriate phrase if you ask me. People listen to it because its entertaining, not because its good music. "They wear masks! cool!!". Teenagers listen to it because its "cool" and they feel rebellious listening to loud "heavy" music. I know this is true because I've been there. I dont have a problem with heavy music as long as its played well, but SlipKnot show no talent musically (critical word: SHOW, its entirely possible they are quite good at playing their instruments but it sure as hell doesnt come through in their music). Ask yourself: How many fans would they have if they didnt wear masks? How many fans would they have if they didnt "play" their instruments so loud? If the "singer" actually sang more and didnt shout? 0 Share this post Link to post
deadnail Posted August 31, 2001 Lüt, you sound mellower this morning. Are your seritonin levels higher?HAHA! All I know is this is a three day weekend and I am definitely headed for a Suicide Tuesday!!!!! =))))) 0 Share this post Link to post
skadoomer Posted August 31, 2001 slipknot is alright to listen to, yeah they sound "different" but hell i have no problem with them musically, but i do have a problem when there are 8 or 9 guys in a band creating a sound that can easily be acomplished in about 4 or 5. The weird part i if there so hardcore, why do they have a dj? (no complaints, its a weird mixup, but still there sopposed to be a hard rock band) Mudvayne (i love the name) on the other hand is very inspiring to listen to. I'm a fine art major and i get inspired while listing to there music. While they express loud banging tunes, i can express my anger and emotion in my artwork. Slipknot have a few decent songs, but the whole point of there music is to display a feeling. I get an adriniline rush when i listen to wait and bleed and i can better portray the feeling in my own artwork through the power of there music. So stop racking on mudvayne damnit. 0 Share this post Link to post
Liam Posted August 31, 2001 clown bands? i'm sorry but i don't consider slipknot a "clown band" as you put it, "Clown band" is a very appropriate phrase if you ask me. People listen to it because its entertaining, not because its good music. "They wear masks! cool!!". Teenagers listen to it because its "cool" and they feel rebellious listening to loud "heavy" music. I know this is true because I've been there. Heh. I didn't listen to 'em 'cause I thought they were "cool" or "rebellious". I just had an "insecure" phase from about 10 to late 13 during which I listened to clown bands. I'm normal now though :D 0 Share this post Link to post
Disorder Posted August 31, 2001 I just listened to some songs of the IOWA-album by SlipKnot. They're ok. I don't mind listening to it at all. The only thing that bothers me, is the way that Corey sometimes has a depressing voice when he sings/screams. I'd rather have him singing like a fucking animal than a 9 year old child. Apart from that, the songs are good... Really. 0 Share this post Link to post
HateFactor Posted September 1, 2001 fraggle: "Clown band" is a very appropriate phrase if you ask me. People listen to it because its entertaining, not because its good music. "They wear masks! cool!!". Teenagers listen to it because its "cool" and they feel rebellious listening to loud "heavy" music. I know this is true because I've been there. I dont have a problem with heavy music as long as its played well, but SlipKnot show no talent musically (critical word: SHOW, its entirely possible they are quite good at playing their instruments but it sure as hell doesnt come through in their music). Ask yourself: How many fans would they have if they didnt wear masks? How many fans would they have if they didnt "play" their instruments so loud? If the "singer" actually sang more and didnt shout? it seems you have missed the point i kept on repeating over and over again, in my earlier posts...like i stated before most people (about 98-99%) out there listen to slipknot because of their music, not because of the image...well not the posers at least...if you think otherwise you are well misinformed buddy - you sholudn't make assumptions about things you have no knowledge of (like captmellow and me said before)...well i'm sure that when you were a teenager you listened to music you liked, because you thought it was "cool" - it was a trend for you...fuck trends - apparently you liked music for all the wrong reasons - i like certain music because i can relate to it, or that's it's deep...or that it sounds good...once again, the majority of people like them for things other than image...i'm sorry you can't notice that... ...also yes slipknot does show talent in their music - i don't feel that all members show ther full potential but some do...jsut listen to the drums on your headphones...or corey's vocals...then again you probably can't appreciate it since it appears you have no knowledge of heavy metal, and such...well maybe you'd be more aware of their talent, if you were a musician yourself - then you'd begin to realize how complex and deep some of their material is...and the lead singer doesn't only shout - listen to songs like purity, me inside, wait and bleed, no life, my plague, everything ends...then again screaming, and deep vocals are an intergral part of heavy metal, so i don't know why you are complaining...if you don't like the genre and don't know what makes it be, don't comment on it.. captmellow: i know he has a lot of musical influences (ranging from blues, classic rock, and progressive to straight up death metal) so it might be any of these styles, or a combination of all of them...but my guess his record might have a progressive death-metal sound to it (kind of like 'opeth')... skadoomer: i think the reason for having a DJ, is that the band wants to be different (or 'original')...i think it works quite well - the good thing is they don't clutter songs... liam: you're much more ignorant, immature, self-centered, and obnoxious rather than "normal"... 0 Share this post Link to post
Liam Posted September 1, 2001 liam: excuse me? you dare to question my personal OPPINIONS, and then proceed to insult me making assumptions about my age, and maturity level? how is age relevant? alas, i have met many 13 year olds who seemed more mature than you. liam: you're much more ignorant, immature, self-centered, and obnoxious rather than "normal"... Opinions aren't something you can question. I fully support your right to an opinion. Hell, I support anybody's right to an opinion, as many people here who know me much better then you do already know. I meant nothing by my question of age, I was simply curious. There is nothing wrong or immature about people of any age listening to slipknot, and I don't think I'm any more mature than you because I dont' listen to slipknot. I'm sorry if my question offended you. And as for the second quote, just ask yourself who exactly is making the assumptions? You know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about me outside of what I say in this forum, so who in the hell are you to suggest such things about me? I'm ignorant, immature, and obnoxious because I see differently than you? Because I dare ask your age? And just where does self-centered come into play? I suggest you learn a little more about a person than their music taste and you take a little more evidence than a simple damned question before you toss insults. 0 Share this post Link to post
læmænt Posted September 1, 2001 To be considered "real", a group, a composer, a musician or whatever should at least TRY to create something completely new and original. BEING ORIGINAL IS THE NATURE OF ART, dammit. If you're just like anyone else - you're dead. And Slipknot doesn't show any originality. I don't care about the talent of the musicians as long as they use it to play the same old shit. There's nothing in their music that would make me say "Wow, I never heard that before!" Don't bother replying with "it doesn't matter if they're original as long as their music is good". IT DOES MATTER. P.S. I AM a musician. I know and understand music quite better than average people (I'm not implying that you or someone else is average, of course). Music is my fucken life. Don't you dare questioning my authority :P 0 Share this post Link to post
fodders Posted September 1, 2001 You have not earned any authority yet pal 0 Share this post Link to post
deadnail Posted September 1, 2001 Fuck authority, have you even heard the new Slipknot? I will slit your throat and fuck the wound? Human equal shit? Absolutely horrible guitars and someone needs to learn how to mix those fucking drums. It sounds like a garage band. 0 Share this post Link to post
captmellow Posted September 1, 2001 You know, my question re: originality has yet gone unanswered. If Slipknot & Mudvayne are said to be unoriginal, then who has done their sound before? I can tell there's some Korn, but that's it. But I haven't heard much , so I am asking. Please. Answer. 0 Share this post Link to post
deadnail Posted September 1, 2001 Just a little perspective... someone making a painting of the Virgin Mary out of elephant shit and porn vagina shot cut outs is certainly original... that doesn't make it art. 0 Share this post Link to post
captmellow Posted September 1, 2001 BTW, would you consider Insane Clown Posse to be, um, a "clown band"? Woohoo! ROFL 0 Share this post Link to post
