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VinceDSS

NM history

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hello guys,

Maybe I'll create a thread about that, I am looking for doom2/doom1/tnt/plutonia nightmare demos recorded with vanilla EXEs.

My idea is to create a site about nm history, who did each maps for the 1st time and such.

So I'll collecting demos from very hard maps (map22, map29, e4m6, e4m1, e1m3, e1m9 and some others), movies and also Half-DS(S) demopacks (when someone does all maps from scratch).
I got demos and packs like this from the Compet-N, AdamH, Radek and myself. I can probably reconstitute Anthe's HD2S, Panter's and Henning's from the Compet-N archive.

Thanx for reading,

Vince

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I'm sure you know to look in http://www.gamers.org/pub/idgames/lmps/. The compet-n archive there contains some older stuff not available at ftp://competn.doom2.net:8002/pub/compet-n/.

You'll find a few early NM runs in The DOOM Hall of Fame. This was on the Doom Collector's Edition CD, and didn't appear to be available anywhere online any more, so I zipped and uploaded it to my own webspace. Includes cute things like a demo proving to the sceptics that E1M1 is possible on Nightmare. :)

I've made this a new thread, since it clearly doesn't have anything to do with Icarus.

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I did the NM 1st ever lists for doom1 and doom2 about 2 years ago.
And I used the lmp archive... including DHT and old Compet-N.

Now Ill try to collect the hard maps and try to know who did them :)

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Well, good luck with the site. It's a pity the idgames lmp folder has had so many lmps deleted from it - all the 1.2, 1.666 demos got erased at some point, and there was the period when no new lmps were being accepted - basically almost all of the 1994 stuff is gone. But at least things are clearer for Doom 2. And in any case, there's no answer to the question Who did e1m1 on nightmare first? Anyone could have.

(Incidentally, does anyone know of an early Doom CD that archives this stuff? Seems like all the collections focused on wads only.)

Grazza listed the main sources. There was Frank Siebers doom page which had some rare nm runs (not many first-ever runs, though, if I remember rightly). I sent a copy of the page to Kristian Ronge, don't know if he's done anything with it or not.

I've also got a v1.2 demo of Steffen Winterfeldt beating e1m3 on nightmare the DHT3 Grand Master way (eg, killing every monster). Think it was recorded in June 1994. And I'm almost certain it was slowmotion cheated, but it's still a bit of demo history.

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Ryback said:
There was Frank Siebers doom page which had some rare nm runs (not many first-ever runs, though, if I remember rightly). I sent a copy of the page to Kristian Ronge, don't know if he's done anything with it or not.


OUCH! An agressive spam-filter probably deleted your mail.. or moved it to a folder I don't usually check for non-spam. :-(

I'd be most grateful if you'd re-send that e-mail.. I missed it! Thanks.

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Adam Hegyi said:

I can contribute a NM First list myself, even if it's only for verification.


Adam > ny help would be greatly appreciated :-)

About Siebers Nightmare website, I have a copy of the whole site on my computer in France. Some cool demos there.

Ryback >
- you said several old demos got erased from the archive ?
- do you have any ideas on who could still have them on HD or CD ?
- I have your D2S and 13NS, could send me your doom eps NM and NM100S ? and also all your HDS/S demo packs ?

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Thx xit, I'll pick the demos I need.

Anybody who did any NM maps considered as hard are welcome to send them to me. Any movies are welcome too, even incomplete. As long as it is recorded with vanilla doom.

AdamH : do you have a proggie to detect if prboom has been used ? Especially Budko's prboom.. that uses GF50. I ask that mainly because prboom allows slow motion.

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VinceDSS said:

do you have a proggie to detect if prboom has been used ? Especially Budko's prboom.. that uses GF50.

LMPC will do the trick. In standard prboom there are GF49 tics in place of GF50, and with Budko's "strafe-50 always on", you get tics like GF50 SR50 TRx.

Still, do you really think there are people who try to cheat nowadays (i.e. use TAS methods and try to pretend they didn't)?

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- you said several old demos got erased from the archive ?
- do you have any ideas on who could still have them on HD or CD ?

Well, at some point the idgames archive had v1.2 demos, then v1.666, and these were eventually erased when the final version, 1.9, came out. (You can tell this from the naming hierarchy we're left with). So a number of demos got lost this way, such as an early recording of n1m5, and no doubt some other stuff (this is just me reconstructing things based on some browsing of 1994 Google Groups.)

I don't know if they still exist anywhere or not. Maybe the original site maintainer at ocf.unt.edu, or at infant2.sphs.indiana.edu. Doubt Ty would have anything. And don't know of any CDs preserving these files either.

- I have your D2S and 13NS, could send me your doom eps NM and NM100S ? and also all your HDS/S demo packs ?


I don't think I ever did a 13ns. Someone must have, but it wasn't me... Sent the other stuff though.

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Ryback said:

I don't think I ever did a 13ns. Someone must have, but it wasn't me... Sent the other stuff though.


Well I must have been dreaming then :)
I thought somebody got past Doom2 ep1 in nm100s, then I did ep2 and ep3 separately and finally Henning did the whole thing for the 1st time.
Ill check the archive tonight.

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No, I did the first episode (2332ns01), and that's the only D2 nm100s movie I've ever recorded.

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Compiled this three years ago. Feel free to use it.

E1M1 dme1m1nm 04/12/1995 Davorin Mestric
E1M2 free     13/09/1995 Sam John Stevens
E1M3 e1m3-nm1 07/11/1995 Andreas "Anthe" Kren
E1M4 dme1m4nm 04/12/1995 Davorin Mestric
E1M5 e1m5-nm  12/07/1995 Ted Chauviere
E1M6 dme1m6nm 04/12/1995 Davorin Mestric
E1M7 dme1m7nm 04/12/1995 Davorin Mestric
E1M8 e1m8-nm1 21/10/1995 Simon Widlake
E1M9 e1m9-nm2 10/04/1996 Anton V. Magleli
E2M1 n2m1-225 30/07/1996 Branimir Beric
E2M2 e2m2-nm  12/03/1995 Phidias N. Bourlas
E2M3 e2m3-nm  24/05/1995 Josh Horwich
E2M4 e2m4-nm  24/05/1995 Josh Horwich
E2M5 e2m5-nm  01/12/1995 Simon Widlake
E2M6 e2m6-nm  05/05/1996 George I. Bell
E2M7 e2m7-nm  02/01/1996 Andreas "Anthe" Kren
E2M8 e2m8-nm  25/08/1994 Kari Viljaranta
E2M9 e2m9-nm  26/03/1995 Jonas Andersson
E3M1 e3m1-nm  25/03/1995 Jonas Andersson
E3M2 e3m2-nm  30/04/1995 Jonathan "Hunter" Hoof
E3M3 e3m3-nm  28/10/1995 Nicholas R. Spampata
E3M4 e3m4-nm  07/02/1996 Terry "T-man" Dunphy
E3M5 e3m5-nm  30/04/1995 Jonathan "Hunter" Hoof
E3M6 e3m6-nm  10/03/1995 Phidias N. Bourlas
E3M7 e3m7-nm  24/04/1996 Anton V. Magleli
E3M8 e3m8-nm  10/06/1994 Michael L. Murphy
E3M9 e3m9-nm  11/03/1995 Phidias N. Bourlas
E4M1 u4m1-nm1 04/10/1996 Andreas "Anthe" Kren
E4M2 u4m2-nm1 17/08/1996 Andreas "Anthe" Kren
E4M3 e4m3-nm  22/05/1996 Mike Pratt
E4M4 n4m4-146 03/06/1996 George I. Bell
E4M5 u4m5-nm1 07/10/1996 Yonatan Donner
E4M6 n4m6-438 27/07/1998 Steffen "Rini" Udluft
E4M7 n4m7-222 15/05/1996 Branimir Beric
E4M8 n4m8-339 04/08/1996 Branimir Beric
E4M9 e4m9-nm  24/05/1996 Mike Pratt

MAP01 03nm0447 24/09/1995 Andreas "Anthe" Kren
MAP02 map02-nm 16/05/1995 Jonathan "Hunter" Hoof
MAP03 free     16/08/1995 Andreas "Anthe" Kren
MAP04 nm04-258 29/04/1996 Kai-Uwe Humpert
MAP05 free     02/10/1995 Andreas "Anthe" Kren
MAP06 map06-nm 13/09/1995 Andreas "Anthe" Kren
MAP07 map07-nm 26/05/1995 Tom Mustaine
MAP08 map08-nm 30/04/1995 Phidias N. Bourlas
MAP09 nm09-451 16/06/1996 Andreas "Anthe" Kren
MAP10 map10-nm 28/09/1995 Andreas "Anthe" Kren
MAP11 nm11-158 07/05/1996 Andreas "Anthe" Kren
MAP12 map12-nm 13/12/1995 Jesper Hansson
MAP13 nm13-1st 13/02/1996 Simon Widlake
MAP14 nm14-550 16/04/1996 Istvan Pataki
MAP15 map15-nm 22/04/1996 George I. Bell
MAP16 map16-nm 28/09/1995 Andreas "Anthe" Kren
MAP17 nm17-628 20/05/1996 Andreas "Anthe" Kren
MAP18 map18-nm 16/05/1995 Jonathan "Hunter" Hoof
MAP19 nm19-342 29/03/1996 Istvan Pataki
MAP20 nm20-206 05/02/1996 Sven Huth
MAP21 nm21-309 09/03/1996 Istvan Pataki
MAP22 free     12/06/1996 Andreas "Anthe" Kren
MAP23 nm23-330 23/05/1996 Andreas "Anthe" Kren
MAP24 map24-nm 08/12/1995 Jesper Hansson
MAP25 map25-nm 20/01/1996 Josh Horwich
MAP26 nm26-235 29/05/1996 Andreas "Anthe" Kren
MAP27 free     08/02/1996 Ashley Smith
MAP28 map28-nm 30/04/1995 Phidias N. Bourlas
MAP29 nm29-554 13/04/1997 Andreas "Anthe" Kren
MAP30 map30-nm 16/05/1995 Jonathan "Hunter" Hoof
MAP31 map31-nm 27/04/1995 Phidias N. Bourlas
MAP32 map32-nm 28/04/1995 Phidias N. Bourlas
Obviously the easy/popular maps are hard to verify, but they are of little importance anyway.

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