x0UAC0x Posted June 27, 2004 Does anyone think 'jumping' in Zdoom is cheating? I personally dont think so b/c then they wouldn't have game the feature anyway! Correct me if i am wrong! 0 Share this post Link to post
doomaddict Posted June 27, 2004 x0UAC0x said:Does anyone think 'jumping' in Zdoom is cheating? I personally dont think so b/c then they wouldn't have game the feature anyway! Correct me if i am wrong! Is Infinite Ammo cheating? It is in Zdoom. 0 Share this post Link to post
Naked Snake Posted June 27, 2004 Nah, why should it be considered cheating? It just helps add to the gameplay of modern wads. 0 Share this post Link to post
Grazza Posted June 27, 2004 In a map not designed with it in mind, it is cheating. 0 Share this post Link to post
Udderdude Posted June 27, 2004 I've always felt zDoom should disable jumping if it's playing a doom.exe only map. Unfortunately this never happened :/ There are tons of zDoom options like infinite ammo, MDK kill, etc. .. the only way to prove you did it without cheating is record a demo and upload it for other people to play. 0 Share this post Link to post
Grazza Posted June 27, 2004 udderdude said:I've always felt zDoom should disable jumping if it's playing a doom.exe only map. Unfortunately this never happened :/How's the program to know though? Sometimes people make a map that uses no port-specific features, but is designed for "any port with jumping". I think it would be good if a line were added to the standard wad text template about jumping; e.g.:Jumping: necessary/optional/please don't (delete one) 0 Share this post Link to post
Coopersville Posted June 27, 2004 If it's used to skin whole minutes off your finish time, it's cheating. 0 Share this post Link to post
doomaddict Posted June 27, 2004 this thread should be erased, closed, or sent to post hell. The author of this thread has been banned already. 0 Share this post Link to post
Ichor Posted June 27, 2004 Nah. Even though he's been banned, it's still a decent thread. 0 Share this post Link to post
Relica Religia Posted June 27, 2004 He was banned? What happened there? Yikes. /EDIT: Nevermind. 0 Share this post Link to post
Bloodshedder Posted June 27, 2004 Jumping is only a cheat if you use it, like any other cheats. If you're in a map that doesn't require it, just don't hit your jump key. 0 Share this post Link to post
SunlapseVertigo Posted June 28, 2004 x0UAC0x said:I personally dont think so b/c then they wouldn't have game the feature anyway! is it just me or does this sentence make no sense? 0 Share this post Link to post
doomaddict Posted June 28, 2004 Relica Religia said:He was banned? What happened there? Yikes. /EDIT: Nevermind. Take a look at this thread (turn down the volume cause its in post hell) http://www.doomworld.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24605 0 Share this post Link to post
/baronofhell\ Posted June 28, 2004 I think jumping is fair. I agreee with 'udderdude' 0 Share this post Link to post
doomaddict Posted June 28, 2004 /baronofhell\ said:I think jumping is fair. I agreee with 'udderdude' Not in a level where you can measly jump to the exit wheras without jumping, you would have to make a stairway. 0 Share this post Link to post
Ichor Posted June 28, 2004 You can exit Doom2's map 3 in a matter of seconds if you jump up to that high step with the two medikits. Is this fair? Not to mention that you'll miss out on the chaingun and a few other goodies. 0 Share this post Link to post
doomaddict Posted June 28, 2004 Map05:Jump through the walls Map07:Jump to the center Map11:With expertise, jump to the little "tunnel" That's all I think in DOOM2 in addition to what Ichor said 0 Share this post Link to post
killer9 Posted June 28, 2004 Anywhere you jump to that you couldn't get to otherwise is considered cheating. 0 Share this post Link to post
doomaddict Posted June 28, 2004 killer9 said:Anywhere you jump to that you couldn't get to otherwise is considered cheating. Some wads are impossible withoug jumping. 0 Share this post Link to post
Grazza Posted June 28, 2004 Well obviously if they are designed with jumping in mind, then it is OK to use jumping when playing them. 0 Share this post Link to post
JamesEightBitStar Posted June 28, 2004 Personally, when I play a WAD, I always play without using the Jump key and see how far I can get. If I come across a situation where it seems like the only way to complete the level IS by jumping, then I'll realize the WAD had it in mind and start using it. Otherwise though, Jumping when it's not taken into account can really mess things up (The first level of, I think, "The Chaos Project" can be shortcutted through if you use jumping). Usually, you can tell as soon as you complete the first level wether or not a WAD was made with jumping in mind. 0 Share this post Link to post
Melfice Posted June 28, 2004 In a way, jumping is cheating as it wasn't in the original game. The fact that they didn't have the technology at the time, etc., really makes no difference in the fact that it's basically a cheat though, because the point is that it wasn't in the original Doom. IMO anything that effects gameplay of the original game is cheating, outside of the structure of a map. It is true, however, that jumping can be considered not cheating if the map is designed around it. But again I must state what I say everytime a subject like this comes up: If I wanted to play Quake, I'd install it, but the fact is, I want Doom. 0 Share this post Link to post
doomaddict Posted June 28, 2004 The best tip is to never use the jump key unless the text file says it is ok. 0 Share this post Link to post
Epyo Posted June 28, 2004 If it's for zdoom, jump. If they don't want you to jump, oops. 0 Share this post Link to post
SulfurOccult Posted June 28, 2004 i jump if i happen to get caught in a corner by imps or something. 0 Share this post Link to post
BlueSonnet Posted June 28, 2004 Most of the time you don't need to use jump, for normal doom anyway. Nah, doesn't seem like cheating to me. 0 Share this post Link to post
cyber-menace Posted June 28, 2004 doomaddict said:(turn down the volume cause its in post hell) Off-Topic: I kinda like the new music in Post Hell... 0 Share this post Link to post