Metal_Sonic Posted July 24, 2004 I'm Wondering is zdoom realy the most popular port? according to sourceforge its not. a search for doom (at the time of this post)on sourceforge comes up with 1st Doomsday 2nd the edge project 3rd Doom legacy 6th zdoomgl 8th prboom 9th vavoom 12th zdoom on 22nd july doomsday had 1,007 downloads Legacy had 598 downloads the edge had 52 downloads vavoom had 49 downloads prboom had 78 downloads zdoomgl had 98 downloads zdoom had 4 downloads or am i missing something? 0 Share this post Link to post
boris Posted July 24, 2004 You're probably missing that everybody is downloading ZDoom from /lars. 0 Share this post Link to post
NiGHTMARE Posted July 24, 2004 Some ports have pages on sourceforge, other ports don't. ZDoom is one of the latter, so obviously a search for it is going to come up with less results than a search for a port which does have a sourceforge page. Plus those download stats quite obviously only reflect the number of downloads from sourceforge itself. There are many other places to download from - 3darchives, the ports' websites, 3D Downloads, File Planet, etc. 0 Share this post Link to post
Graf Zahl Posted July 24, 2004 Although ZDoom has a Sourceforge site most of its business is done at zdoom.org so the numbers are not representative. The Sourceforge site is linked from nowhere and most people downloading from there do that merely by either accident or random chance. 0 Share this post Link to post
boris Posted July 24, 2004 NiGHTMARE said:Some ports have pages on sourceforge, other ports don't. ZDoom is one of the latter http://zdoom.sf.net 0 Share this post Link to post
NiGHTMARE Posted July 24, 2004 News to me. Anyway, ZDoom is pretty much the most popular port for level and mod designers, but Skulltag and ZDaemon are more commonly used for on-line play, and JDoom are popular amongst the casual players (i.e. people who only play Doom once a month or whatever) for the OMG priti grafixx!!!!111 Of course there are far more casual players than there are hardcore Doomers... EDIT: Legacy is quite popular amongst casual players too, particularly for it's splitscreen mode. 0 Share this post Link to post
Metal_Sonic Posted July 24, 2004 http://zdoom.sourceforge.net/download.html so where ae these /lars links? people probably download the other ports from those other places too. and JDoom is popular amongst the casual players (i.e. people who only play Doom once a month or whatever) for the OMG priti grafixx!!!!111 Of course there are far more casual players than there are hardcore Doomers. have you checked out here occasionaly? (not allways has servers running but has alot at the peak times) with the new netcode alot more people have bee playing it online (but not through doom connector) http://www.doomsdayhq.com/master.php 0 Share this post Link to post
NiGHTMARE Posted July 24, 2004 On Zdoom's homepage. http://zdoom.org/download.html BTW you speak as if sourceforge is the primary download site for all Doom ports. This might be the case for some ports, but it's far from true for all of them. Heh, I never said Skulltag and ZDaemon are the only ports people play on-line, just the most popular for this purpose. 0 Share this post Link to post
Graf Zahl Posted July 24, 2004 And don't forget that those download stats include all the non-engine related stuff on the site - like the model pack on the Doomsday site. My guess would be that 80-90% of all people who want to check out Doomsday also load the resource pack as well. What I find much more interesting is the low amount of downloads for EDGE and Vavoom which use Sourceforge as their primary means of distribution. EDIT: Isn't the most recent version of Doomsday rather new? That would also increase the download numbers because everybody has to upgrade. 0 Share this post Link to post
Metal_Sonic Posted July 24, 2004 the good non engine related stuff arnt found on sourceforge either. find the links to them here jdql.tk 0 Share this post Link to post
Graf Zahl Posted July 24, 2004 Metal_Sonic said:the good non engine related stuff arnt found on sourceforge either. find the links to them here jdql.tk The casual user won't know about that and try what's obvious first! 0 Share this post Link to post
Metal_Sonic Posted July 24, 2004 EDIT: Isn't the most recent version of Doomsday rather new? That would also increase the download numbers because everybody has to upgrade. dosn't zdoom upgrade alot too? 0 Share this post Link to post
NiGHTMARE Posted July 24, 2004 Graf Zahl's post made me realize an interesting (and obvious) point: the more often a port is upgraded, the higher the download count will be. Doomsday is upgraded relatively often, but in the case of ZDoom, there hasn't been an 'official' release for several years, rather countless 'unofficial' versions. Many people hear the words 'unofficial release' and instantly associate them with 'unstable', and even though in the case of ZDoom this is far from true, most casual players won't know this and hence stick with v1.22. 0 Share this post Link to post
Metal_Sonic Posted July 24, 2004 well im off to bed i look forward to the interesting conversation in here. 0 Share this post Link to post
Graf Zahl Posted July 24, 2004 NiGHTMARE said:Graf Zahl's post made me realize an interesting (and obvious) point: the more often a port is upgraded, the higher the download count will be. Doomsday is upgraded relatively often, but in the case of ZDoom, there hasn't been an 'official' release for several years, rather countless 'unofficial' versions. Many people hear the words 'unofficial release' and instantly associate them with 'unstable', and even though in the case of ZDoom this is far from true, most casual players won't know this and hence stick with v1.22. The download statistics Randy once posted on his forum seem to confirm this. The download numbers for 1.22 are twice as high as for the most recent version. It was suggested too many times that he take 1.22 off line but he doesn't - and if there is one thing this version is not it's being particularly stable! I can't run it on my new computer anymore due to the shitty libraries it uses. Anyway, the link on Sourceforge's download site doesn't classify 2.0.63a as 'unofficial'. 0 Share this post Link to post
Epyo Posted July 24, 2004 I didn't know there was that sourceforge site either. Everybody downloads zdoom from /lars! 0 Share this post Link to post
DarkknightXC Posted July 24, 2004 Graf Zahl said:What I find much more interesting is the low amount of downloads for EDGE and Vavoom which use Sourceforge as their primary means of distribution. I'm not surprised at all with the EDGE stats. Given that that our web presence is still under new development (so nothing for new people to get their teeth into) and the project was in statis for the best part of two years (people's interest is not be maintained in a presumed-dead project). In contrast you have: ZDoom which has been in constant development since '99 and has a thriving website and associated community. Legacy historically has been very popular through its multiplayer capability and that remains strong. You'll find legacy quicker on Google then the others. (Enter "Doom" and it'll be the 5th entry) Doomsday is a popular alternate with new textures and graphical effects. 0 Share this post Link to post
deathbringer Posted July 24, 2004 Yes, Zdoom is the most popular port, thats the end of it! 0 Share this post Link to post
The Ultimate DooMer Posted July 24, 2004 Round here it seems like that, yes. Over at Newdoom it's a different story. 0 Share this post Link to post
Linguica Posted July 24, 2004 Doomworld: ZDoom Newdoom: Legacy Casual non-"community" players: Doomsday the end 0 Share this post Link to post
Metal_Sonic Posted July 24, 2004 are you sure over at newdoom legacy is more popular than doomsday? legacy may have more post but that is because the incident over at newdoom, legacy had backups of its threads, doomsday didnt. And do you see how many people are in the doomsday forum compared to the legacy forum. right now 11 people viewing dday forum and 8 viewing legacy. but most of the dday forum visitors dont join newdoom the edge project is a very good port pitty ot to may people have it 0 Share this post Link to post
Graf Zahl Posted July 24, 2004 But let's not forget that there isn't much going on in the Newdoom forums. Even the ZDoom forums have more traffic than all of Newdoom combined it seems at times. 0 Share this post Link to post
deathz0r Posted July 25, 2004 Linguica said:Doomworld: ZDoom Newdoom: Legacy Casual non-"community" players: Doomsday the end Couldn't have said it better myself, except to add "compet-n: doom2.exe (or PRBoom for viewing demos in non-Win32 systems)". 0 Share this post Link to post
chilvence Posted July 25, 2004 Cant we stop trying to funnel people towards our own favourite things? People have brains and can take things on their own merits if they have a chance. 0 Share this post Link to post
Kaiser Posted July 25, 2004 For those who hates all the extra and pointless stuff, they choose Prboom, or PureDoom.....or maybe Eternity.. 0 Share this post Link to post
Mogul Posted July 25, 2004 Metal_Sonic said:http://zdoom.sourceforge.net/download.html so where ae these /lars links? people probably download the other ports from those other places too. have you checked out here occasionaly? (not allways has servers running but has alot at the peak times) with the new netcode alot more people have bee playing it online (but not through doom connector) http://www.doomsdayhq.com/master.php I know this has been answered, but not in the fullness that maybe it should be. The lars files are here -- http://www.zdoom.org/files/lars/ Download the highest numbered cab, for instance 63a. 0 Share this post Link to post
Quasar Posted July 25, 2004 Deathman said:For those who hates all the extra and pointless stuff, they choose Prboom, or PureDoom.....or maybe Eternity.. YAY! We're about to start beta testing on v3.31 final, which will be the second non-beta release ever, so keep an eye out ^_^ 0 Share this post Link to post
Ultraviolet Posted July 25, 2004 chilvence said:Cant we stop trying to funnel people towards our own favourite things? People have brains and can take things on their own merits if they have a chance. Pff. Doomsday and Legacy suck, by the way. 0 Share this post Link to post
Metal_Sonic Posted July 25, 2004 Pff. Doomsday and Legacy suck, by the way. dont get of topic smack face. this is about if zdoom is the most popula not what ports suck. 0 Share this post Link to post
chilvence Posted July 25, 2004 Ultraviolet said:Pff. Doomsday and Legacy suck, by the way. YUOR MOM 0 Share this post Link to post