Parental Evilness...The REAL enemy of Dewm 3

[drjeffrock]

My girl (who I live with) was raised Protestant. Her parents are a couple of bible-pounders. She saw the pentagram on the desktop and screamed "Get that farking pentagram off the computer NOW!!!!"

[etimmerAZ]

drjeffrock said:

My girl (who I live with) was raised Protestant. Her parents are a couple of bible-pounders. She saw the pentagram on the desktop and screamed "Get that farking pentagram off the computer NOW!!!!"

Take your mouse or pointing device appart, draw a pentagram on the inside and don't ever tell her. Just smile to yourself when she is using the computer knowing that she is in contact with it. Or don't it's up to you. :D

Muuuwaa ha ha ha ha ha ha!

[NightmareZer0]

DD_133 said:

Well, as it turns out, my parents didn't mind actually, and i showed them alot of goriness and stuff shown in a manual i got with the game, and they only said "Just as long as you don't play those parts too much"

Whee! Got it installed and all i gotta do is double-click the shortcut.

Kinda shows i'm a paranoid freak at times. Heh

God I would hate to have parents like that. Big deal its JUST a game.

[Raptor]

17 here, I meet the mature age requirement, So im not worried about any laws now lol.

[COBALT]

As the oldest person here (31), and probably the most veteran gamer (cut my teeth on one of the first pong machines, so eat THAT!) I can tell you anyone who says "I'm real mature for my age" is full of BS. You may think you are, but in the years to follow you'll be amazed at what you learn and don't know...being mature means learning through experience and wisdom. You only get that through failure. Give it a few years.

Second, parents who actually DO care what their kids watch, read, play, or hang out with (and YES you are still a kid whether you like it or not until you're 18) are an absolute blessing to have. Consider yourselves lucky you "gee it sucks because my parents are Christians" teen-agers who think you're underprivileged. Try not having money for clothes or food. That's underpriviledged, and yes there are families out there with kids your age that do NOT have adequate food or clothing.

Anyone who has parents who take the time to actually sit down and look at what their kids are interested in are worthy of respect in my book. Just the opposite to parents who "couldn't care less". They ought to have their buts kicked for being so self-centered. Both the parents and the kids will regret it later.

I had parents who cared (lucky for me). Wanna hear something that sounds totally off the hook? They wouldn't let me have starwars figures. That's because back in the '70s when the starwars phenomenon was going on a lot of older parents didn't know what to think. Movies just didn't attract that kind of crowd - especially a crowd that was so into it they wore funky costumes, and camped out on a public sidewalk. The adult rumors started, and lots of parents had problems with their kids being into D&D, and other addicting role playing games they started equating it to satan worship. Seriously, parents got really worked up over it, and since I grew up in a Christian household the paranoia was pretty thick. It was a pretty wierd time with all of the slasher movies out, D&D being a craze, etc.

My parents finally let me save up my own money and go see Return of the Jedi by myself after I spent the summer mowing lawns all over the neighborhood as a "reward". Whooptie-do.

...now that I'm out of those teen-age weeds, married, and am about to have my first child my bitching and carrying on about how "evil" my parents were when I was young now sounds totally stupid and ignorant. They loved me, and just were trying to do what was best at the time. They didn't know all the answers, but they were worried that if they didn't question things, or try to be analytical about it I would end up with problems, which would pretty much break their hearts. Now I can't get them to admit they wouldn't let me have starwars figures, and we laugh about all of the rules they had.

It's life. Just try to follow their rules. THAT is a sign of maturity: accepting discipline, rules and restrictions within your life and adapting to them. To flat-out reject them means you don't respect them, and THEY helped make you what you are. They gave you the opportunity to even have the MEANS to play a game like that on a computer that a lot of people can't afford.

I bet the more trust they have in you knowing you are capable of making the right choices the more slack they'll give you BECAUSE you can be trusted. It doesn't work the other way, unless they just don't care.

[tkmaster]

Bloodskull said:

Or else what, cops gonna show up at the door and arrest him? First they said no kids in R rated movies. Wow that really worked didn't it, now you see kids going from the movie they were into a r rated movie because the duschbags that are supposed to watch whose going in don't give a shit. Now you can see R rated movies with your parents, as long as you have "permission by your parents or guardians following they were with you at the time buying the ticket for you". Next it was Parental Advisory cd's, they don't even ask me for a parent. Every store I've been to sell's Mature games to anybody! I saw a fucking 8 year old in target the other day asking the guy to grab Vice city for him. Kid's walking home with a game that his parents don't even care about how bad it is and that a 8 year old shouldn't even be playing it. Now try to tell someone they have to be 18 to buy it or at least play it!

P.S. I'm 14 and my dad and I are going out of way to get this game. We've allready ordered a top of the line computer to run this baby.

ok its still up to the parents to allow their kids to play it... there is no law to prevent it but there is a law that will prevent stores from selling the game to underage kids... the store can be fined for selling the game to someone who isnt old enough

[Raptor]

COBALT said:

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Exactly what i was going to say, but i didnt because i figured it'd just start a huge arguement.

[Trilinear]

Woah, I think some of you guys need to cut down on that quoting feature! Waaay too much unnecessary text.

[COBALT]

Doh...hopefully it won't start one. It's all a matter of perspective.

[LorD BaZTArD]

Cobalt, smart man. Wise words those, If they start an argument well it goes to show just how little they get it. Saying you're ready and capable of playing the game and actually being capable of it are two different things.

oh, and for the record cobalt, I don't think you're even close to being the oldest here. Bad luck :D

[COBALT]

Thanks dude.

I only considered myself the oldest on this thread after everyone started throwing out their ages, and they were mostly 14-18.

[sandmanfvr]

26 here, so you are not to old. ;)

[Falius]

I am 18 years old now. I have a full ride to the 2nd best business school in the U.S., despite wasting many many hours on countless video games (primarily everquest). I've played tons and tons of doom games, and I have to say that if there was a game I would expect super-christian parents to dispute, it would be doom. So many pentagrams and Satanist things are present in Doom, and really I think they toned it down for Doom 3. I played the Nintendo 64 doom when I was about 14, and I actually felt a little creeped out and queasy after all the smiling horned demons with blood coming out of their mouths and upside down crosses for scenery. I had to stop playing it.

I am not a religious person at all..I was baptised catholic..but it didn't really take effect! But this doesn't make me Satanist either..and really, I truly believe there is a large amount of disturbing things in the Doom games, including Doom 3 which I have almost finished.

If I was a parent, I feel I would be fine with my 12 year old son playing counterstrike, I would be fine with them playing Unreal, but Doom is built to be psychologically disturbing. There's spiders for arachnaphobics (me), flying baby monsters, Hell references, pentagrams, and in the most literal sense of the word, Demons. This was explained in the Doom books as well ( I read all four..liked them myself) that the Doom universe was constructed in a way as to be as deeply disturbing as possible to instill as much fear into the marines of the complex. These demons could have taken any form but they took the forms inspired by our concept of Hell.

Even at eighteen years old, when I play doom for four hours, after I am done I glance around my house warily. I go to sleep sometimes having images of the game that are very disturbing preventing me from a good nap. I consider myself a very stable person, but still with that kind of youthful impressionability.

My concern with Doom and younger players is not that they will become homicidal maniacs, I STRONGLY believe video games are not the cause of this. However, I think that the deep Hellish nature of the Doom games is something that makes the game appropriate for only those 15 and older I think, maybe 16. That's my take on it anyway..anyone else feel disturbed after playing it sometimes?

Maybe I am just a wuss..but I think if a kid spent too much time with all these demon images and bleeding wall antichrist atmopshere it would leave them kind of demented...

[Falius]

one more thing sorry. The way doom3 is programmed I think it instills paranoia too. Things CONSTANTLY spawn behind you (sorry if this is a spoiler I feel it's vital to the discussion) so much so that at least I personally begin to look over my shoulder in real-life in response to this.

[highlander]

As being ONE of the oldest here (35) I know I wouldn't let my child of preteen or under 17 play Doom3 or any other game that had as much gore and violence. It is rated 18+ mature for a reason. I'm not saying that every kid is going to pull a Columbine etc but I think kids should be kids while they can and not be exposed to this sort of thing at such an early age.

Parents these days should care and hopefully do care about what their child is watching and playing but that is severely lacking in society today. I could ramble on about it but I won't. Most of the younger crowd on here will think im fulla shit anyways. Well I was once a teenager and my parents would say the same thing to me about games because they were concerned about my wellbeing. I thought they were nuts and didn't know what they were talking about. As I grew up, matured and the likes, I now know exactly what they were talking about and realize they were right about a lot of things.

High

[C}{rono}{unter]

No, you ust be at least 17...not 18...

The game rating of M should say something like "for mature" or "17+".

17 is the ISA of game/movie/porn ratings.

M = 17+
NC-17 = 17+
XXX = 17+ (mature)

[EDIT]
I am 17, and I have been playing Doom3, but nothing has scared me yet. I see stuff in the game that makes me go "this is fucked up", but never makes me panic or wanna close the game. I don't understand why either. Horror movies usually eat way at me, but doom just doesn't...why, I am not sure I will ever know...

[the lone crouton]

Heh, another old git here: 33.

Christ, you kids are pathetic! Parents won't allow you to play Doom 3? I did a lot of stuff that my parents wouldn't have allowed me to do *if they had known about it!*

Use your brain cell and get devious for fucks sake... just don't go crying to mommy afterwards if you have nightmares... ;)

[Ninja_of_DooM]

Whatever. My parents didn't really care about what games I played so I never had any scenarios like this one.:p

[incubusspawn]

This is why I wish they would just pass a law that allows and forces stores selling gameing material to ask for ID. I absolutely agree with parents turning that stuff off. they are cool enough to let a 14 year play it in the first place. I am a parent and I constantly monitor what my children play because it is my responsibility to do so. My children may not allways agree with me, but that is too bad If I do my job right they will be mature enough and responsible enough when they are 18 to decide for themselves what is right for them. IF show me the maturity and responsibility I might cut them some slack early. IF I let one play Doom 3 with all the blood and gore turned off and they give me lip about it, I will simply not let them play it at all. I personaly allways play to the max gore and nudity if it is in a game, but I am 33 and I can. :p

ps the id carding law would be a good thing, it would actually defend and support a no censorship gameing policy. Limiting minors from viewing things is not censorship. And it would even help sales and probably even increase the amount of M games out there simply because of how adults think. It would certaintly end the hippocracy of what is tolerated in the theatre and not in gameing.


pps The arguement that kids will find a way to get their hands on it is old. Kids and teens will allways push the envolope and allways try to get things like booze and porn magazines. It is part of groweing up, but if the local police force, parents,society etc... hold to their own responsibility, those same kids also learn the quality of consequences for their actions. And that is a valuable thing that most kids never learn.

ppps So long as our society maintains its present hippocracy this will continue to be an issue. My favorite issue is as follows.

You must be 21 to buy and consume alchohol. There are some exceptions where an 18 year can drink at home but cannot leave the home untill they are sober. But that is in few areas.

You must 18 to participate in pornagrophy of any kind.

So according to our society an 18 year old is mature enough to make choices like becomeing a porn star or an exotic dancer but not mature enough to buy and drink a beer in the very same bar they are stripping in???

[Black Hand]

"pps The arguement that kids will find a way to get their hands on it is old. Kids and teens will allways push the envolope and allways try to get things like booze and porn magazines. It is part of groweing up, but if the local police force, parents,society etc... hold to their own responsibility, those same kids also learn the quality of consequences for their actions. And that is a valuable thing that most kids never learn."

Heh, I remember my childhood, my father was always offering me beer from the age of 14 upwards. Good times.

[S1lent]

DD_133 said:

Basically my parents are evil. They made me disable blood and gore in nearly every game I own. Now, with my doom3 purcahse looming up on me, I'm wondering if they will take the game away, because of all the nastiness and stuff in the game. They don't realize this is a horror movie in a game really. So, if you were a parent oblivious to all the blood and gore in doom3, and you actually saw it, would you take it away?

I'm worried, because I might not be able to play the game for this reason...

Try this. Ask them if you can buy the Doom novel (just the first one). If they say yes, than ask them why you can buy the novel and not Doom 3. Tell them you can think up much more graphics scenes than the game can :)

[Scabbed Angel]

COBALT said:

As the oldest person here (31),

fodders would eat you for lunch. Or get blown by Disorder.

[BlueSonnet]

I'm 18 and my parents wouldn't mind. Yet, i have a little sister running around during the day time, so i have to wait until she's either gone out or gone to bed before i can play doom3, since my pc is in the living room. A bit easier to get immersed in doom 3 i suppose.

[COBALT]

Scabbed Angel said:

fodders would eat you for lunch. Or get blown by Disorder.

Whatever that means...

AGAIN, previous to my post all I saw was youngins saying their age was 14-18. I made an assumption that on this thread I was the oldest. Obviously I was wrong. Drop it.

incubusspawn said
Limiting minors from viewing things is not censorship.

Unfortunately to some this is just your opinion - meaning a lot of people try to make this a 1st ammendment issue, and even challenge the validity of having age limits on anything. Somehow freedom of speech = freedom to recieve; meaning it should also be constitutionally protected to allow kids under 21 to drink, under 18 to be sexually active (public or private), and not prohibited from engaging in what we call "adult behavior".

The irony is that the same people who try to make this argument also firmly stand for child labor laws and speak out against trying children as adults in capital murder cases...

Ultimately it's up to mature adults to set limits, and see that they're followed. Once maturity and experience has taught the individual a thing or two about HOW to make rational decisions they can have the freedom to make rational decisions on controversial issues, but not before. It's just plain wise to consider that.

Also, if you proclaim that you're mature for your age, then you're not. Anyone mature enough is humble about what they know and what they don't know, and wouldn't say something like this in the first place.

[ZiGZaG]

Deathmatcher said:

Despite of this and other retarded lost souls, who - luckily - are in the absolute minority, playing Doom at a young age doesn´t render you a serial killer. I started playing Doom at the age of 13, ten years have passed since then and I am still fine.

Yes but all serial killers think they are fine, but others may not think so.

[incubusspawn]

the whole thing of these games enourageing violence in real life is media play up. The concern of minors playing htis kind of game and seeing the gore etc... IS thier ability to maturely handle what they are seeing and doing.
The media wants violence and scapegoats for the violence, lets keep that seperate from this issue. It is bad enough half life was the targeted blame for the trench coat mafia's activity in Colorado. Never mind the other issue with those kids they discovered. Since I am on a role here; all someone of a serial killing mind needs to do to trigger that mentality is read Alice in wonderland or Through the looking glass. Or maybe grims fairytales. Point is whatever pushes a sicko over the edge is still the responsibiity of the sicko as it could have been anything else at the time.

[Reisal]

22, parents don't care what games I play.

[naTi]

Im 21 and my parents dont care about what I play(now). But my mom walked into my room while I was playing Doom 3. Told her about the game and told her it was what the Columbine kids played. She freaked of course. I personally dont blame her, but the only reason was to see what kind of reaction I would get from her. Apparently she still cares about what I play. Im glad she still cares but thats my Mom. She's here to worry about everything I do; STILL. It kind of worries/sickens me that most of you younger guys' mothers/fathers dont care. Im happy I have the parents I have today actually. Its annoying at times but it shows that they care about me no matter how old I am or "mature". I guess good parents worry...not too many of those around today it seems.

[COBALT]

You're 21 and you live with your parents?

Give them some peace. Get your own place. I also wouldn't advise throwing that kind of thing at them. Parents who happen to have kids around 15-18 when Columbine happened are now hyper-sensative to anything that involves media that might be disturbing (music, video games), or the idea of a kid being caught at school with a gun. That's probably why they "freaked".

It's just a game. You like it because it's entertaining and interesting to play. Just tell them that and they might not be interested, but they wouldn't "freak" either.

[sandmanfvr]

drjeffrock said:

My girl (who I live with) was raised Protestant. Her parents are a couple of bible-pounders. She saw the pentagram on the desktop and screamed "Get that farking pentagram off the computer NOW!!!!"

So she doesn't want the pentagram but says "farking"? Doesn't she know that fark is just a word you use when you are to chicken to say fuck? Sheesh.