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Quasar

Orrin Hatch and the IP Cartel Strike Again

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There are two new and very serious threats to freedom in the US. The following are excerpted from the gnu.org Take Action page (http://www.gnu.org/server/takeaction.html).

"Contact your senators to oppose a new law that would prohibit photocopiers, tape recorders, VCRs, CD writers, peer-to-peer software, etc." http://www.savethe.org

This new law is known as the INDUCE Act, and was introduced by the infamous Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah. He is a big media and IP Cartel pet congressman who has been a major factor in the introduction and passing of all the most hated freedom-killing bills of the past decade. This bill has been rushed through to the Senate floor without any committee consideration because of extreme media group lobbying pressure.

"Please join P2P United in the fight to defeat legislation to ban peer to peer software. Visit http://www.p2punited.org/involve.php to learn how you can help convince members of U.S. House of Representatives to oppose bill HR 4077. It could send you to jail for years just for having $1,000 worth of copyrighted material in the shared folder of your computer even if nobody ever accesses it!"

Yet another bill which specifically targets P2P, it is about to go to vote in the House Judiciary Committee. Immediate action is needed to help oppose this bill.

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Quasar said:

It could send you to jail for years just for having $1,000 worth of copyrighted material in the shared folder of your computer even if nobody ever accesses it!"

how the hell would anyone know about the files if nobody has ever accessed it?

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And let's get this straight: how exactly are officials able to tell what we've downloaded and what we've copied for backup purposes? What, we don't have an original? Well, duh, it got trashed. Hence the backup.

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What do you think TCG and the upcoming Digital Rights Management features of Windows will help RIAA, MPAA, and BSA do? If managed media are cracked and distributed in "unapproved" manners, they will know about it, because they will be able to see it. With laws like this in place, they don't have to sue you any more. All they have to do is call the government and your ass will be in criminal court.

This is the kind of world we are very quickly moving toward. All the people who doubted it before must SURELY see it now, with the simultaneous hard push for draconian bills like this AND the development of standardized "DRM" spy software, all by the same cartel of monopolistic organizations.

This is the beginning of a war over who will have the freedom to influence and contribute to human culture in the future.

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Just wait - the government is going to release their own spyware and pass a bill that deems it illegal to own AdAware, Spybot, and the like.

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There is absolutely no way this new law will pass. Most every American in this country has one of those things and I highly doubt that these industries will find a good enough reason to get rid of them. The corporate world is so greedy and selfish, it's discusting. Once you start to "write" music for money, you are no longer a music artist. Your just a pretty face with a crappy tune attached to it.

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Something like this is so asinine it could never pass! It would prohibit us from doing so many fundamental functions that it would probably destroy the business world. How would teachers make copies of worksheets to hand out to their students? How are we supposed to back up something that is ours, that we own and payed for, if we can't copy it? What, we're only supposed to have one copy of our wedding video or even just one picture of our children being born? We couldn't even rent movies because it would allow us to view a film without having to own it!

Hell, even the Government has to use photocopies. What's next, Congress bans the use of cameras by spies to copy important documents because it infringes on the right of other countries to keep things secret? James Bond certainly won't be the same.

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WildWeasel said:

Just wait - the government is going to release their own spyware and pass a bill that deems it illegal to own AdAware, Spybot, and the like.


i wouldn't dout it. after all the goverment seems to have more and more corperat(SP) ties each year.
this is the shit that happens when you don't vote, or think about it. Fact is we could have confronted government about such issues years ago.

true there will always be curruption, but it only gets worse if you do nothing.

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Well, If you read the articles you will find that the EU Has it's problems with morons and "bought" representatives as well regarding this subject.

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WildWeasel said:

pass a bill that deems it illegal to own AdAware, Spybot, and the like.

on what grounds?

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Quasar said:

All the people who doubted it before must SURELY see it now

S1lent said:

There is absolutely no way this new law will pass.

Snarboo said:

Something like this is so asinine it could never pass!

I don't see where this optimism comes from. It's not like there's any precedent.

Sephiroth said:

this is the shit that happens when you don't vote, or think about it. Fact is we could have confronted government about such issues years ago.

Voting has nothing to do with it. Lobbyism does. No matter who wins the popular vote, the electorate can be bought off, and even failing that, the person who is elected can be bought.

Quast said:

on what grounds?

On the grounds that they'll just call it "hacking" and therefore "terrorism." They're taking our control of our computers from us. Why not finish the job and prevent us from doing stuff like controlling the content that we are subjected to by annoying targetted-marketing software?

If it comes down to it, I don't really need a computer in order to live on a farm with a few like-minded people and plenty of guns.

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Ultraviolet said:

On the grounds that they'll just call it "hacking" and therefore "terrorism." They're taking our control of our computers from us. Why not finish the job and prevent us from doing stuff like controlling the content that we are subjected to by annoying targetted-marketing software?

because running adaware isn't hacking, or terrorism.

but whatever, i've said it before and i'll say it again: If need be, i'll unplug my fucking modem, that's all it takes.

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heh, shit like this just makes everyone more 1337. Socking it to The Man by downloading Britney's new album from an illegal P2P server, man, that makes us awesome.

no matter what laws, no matter what bullshit filters, no matter what horseshit-brained blocks anyone or anything puts on information and services, geeks will always find a way to screw things up. Look on your hardrive right now and see how many $ of illegal software / media you currently run or own. If you actually went into the street and stole good and services to that value, you'd probably end up in jail.

Computer geeks are like the world's biggest criminals. I personally take a small ammount of pride from this fact. No wonder corporate america is shitting it's pants.

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Whatever. It goes against my new music policy of "Download whatever the hell I want, legal or not, without any guilt or remorse, because I frankly am tired and don't care what multinational corporations say."

I think it's a pretty good policy.

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Scuba Steve said:

I think it's a pretty good policy.

And in that, Steve, you are completely right. The only times I'd download a song anyway would be if I only wanted ONE song. I don't care for mainstream music, hence, I don't buy CD's.

May Orrin-baka forever burn in the darkest depths of Hell.

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Quast said:

because running adaware isn't hacking, or terrorism.

Look, you know that and I know that, but how many people know what spyware even is? Judging by people's usage habits alone (I work at a computer lab for all students at the local college), the majority obviously doesn't know jack shit about teh intraweb. They don't clear their porn out of the history, yet they think they've gotten away with it (really, most do, because if we don't catch them in the act, we don't have anything since we don't require sign-in, but what I mean is that they think that nobody will know porn was viewed on that computer).

Spyware is one of those things that most people will never understand, and when those of us who DO know stuff about it tell the average users about it, they won't believe us because the authority figures have beaten us to dissemenation of information. Theirs, of course, will have been lies, but they will have prepared their audience for our "criminal propaganda" ahead of time -- just like the RIAA tries to tell people that their view on free distribution of digital media is the correct one, while it is still a topic of fierce and divided debate for people who aren't yet inundated by that corporate brainwashing.

The most important part of all of this is that the state sponsored technology of oppression is only secondary. The fact that they are succeeding in convincing the majority of their views -- things like "if you're an upstanding citizen you have nothing to fear from law enforcement invading your privacy" in order to justify things like the Patriot Act, and "digital reproduction is robbing the artists blind" (they don't care about the artists btw, not that that's part of this debate) to justify annoying copy protection that harms even legitimate users, imposing their idea of "fair use" and eliminating a buyer's right to do what the fuck ever the buyer wants to with the chunk of plastic that they bought with their own money...

These are along the same vein of the idea of antidisestablishmentarianism. The reason church and state are (supposed to be) kept seperated in the US is so that religious morality beyond reasonable (thou shalt not kill) impositions cannot be imposed on those that disagree. When the state (or the lobbyists that constitute the driving force of the legislature and therefore own the state) can sponsor an opinion that is clearly a subject of great division among those who are actually knowledgeable about the issue, we have to fear for an end to the freedoms that the very state that is robbing us of them outright claims to uphold. All they have to do is convince the ignorant majority, and they have succeeded in exploiting the "majority rule" loophole in order to immorally manipulate opinion.

I am very frustrated by this. I have all but given up. (Wait, I've probably given up, too.)

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Quasar said:

Yet another bill which specifically targets P2P, it is about to go to vote in the House Judiciary Committee. Immediate action is needed to help oppose this bill.


I think many of you might be missing what is meant by this. It's one thing if you have legal copies of the songs and whatnot, but by putting them in your shared folder, you're basically inviting people to take them from you.

So, yeah, I'd say they easily have the grounds to pass a bill like that. But still, they can't do much if you have the mp3s in a non-shared folder. (Of course that will kill the P2P thing outright, but then I guess we can all find another way of downloading our precious mp3s. There's always a way)

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Scuba Steve said:

Whatever. It goes against my new music policy of "Download whatever the hell I want, legal or not, without any guilt or remorse, because I frankly am tired and don't care what multinational corporations say."

I think it's a pretty good policy.

Pretty much.

I buy games/music when either:

a.) It'll be less fuss re. online play, patches etc.
b.) I really, REALLY want it.

Otherwise, well, I might listen to what the corperates say once they're out of the "piracy = copying records to tape" era.

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Games I usualy buy like 3 years after they came out, where they are only $15 in a bargain bin and the makers probably don't see a cent of my purchase. :D

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Danarchy said:

I buy non-mainstream CDs. A hero is me.


Yeah, I checked one time how many albums I own that have anything to do with the RIAA, and it's around 5 :) (out of about 90 total). I think my percentage of RIAA mp3's is similar.

Danarchy said:

Games I usualy buy like 3 years after they came out, where they are only $15 in a bargain bin and the makers probably don't see a cent of my purchase. :D


This is the only way to buy games!!! You can get away with running junk hardware and still max out games. Unfortunately, there comes a sad day when a $10 bargain bin game will murder your computer if you try to run it, which has happened with me :( I had to run AvP2 in 640x480 to get a consistent framerate...

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Hyena said:

I think many of you might be missing what is meant by this. It's one thing if you have legal copies of the songs and whatnot, but by putting them in your shared folder, you're basically inviting people to take them from you.

So, yeah, I'd say they easily have the grounds to pass a bill like that. But still, they can't do much if you have the mp3s in a non-shared folder. (Of course that will kill the P2P thing outright, but then I guess we can all find another way of downloading our precious mp3s. There's always a way)


The legislation will make ALL P2P networking clients illegal, regardless of what you are sharing over them. This is a serious restriction of freedom, regardless of what anybody says.

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Fuck congress. Thank god I'm only subject to Canadian law. The record companies wanted to sue Canadian ISPS and to aid in convicting and prosecuting people downloading music. Canadian court ruled that ISPS are not responsible for what individuals decide to do with it's service. That prevented them from prosecuting most people in Canada. But honestly, you'd have to be pretty fucking retarded to get caught stealing music off of Kazaa, considering you have option of sharing or not sharing files to begin with.

As for all that creepy legislation, you might as well just chop everybody's hands off and give them a lobotomy, if their that fucking paranoid about people utilizing technology for their own means.

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Beware of he who would deny you access from information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.

david_a said:

This is the only way to buy games!!! You can get away with running junk hardware and still max out games. Unfortunately, there comes a sad day when a $10 bargain bin game will murder your computer if you try to run it, which has happened with me :( I had to run AvP2 in 640x480 to get a consistent framerate...

Heh, yeah. My friend gave me an old copy of Emperor: Battle for Dune and it barely runs on my computer. The videos are even worse, running at about 1/10 their speed.

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Quasar said:

...a new law that would prohibit photocopiers, tape recorders, VCRs, CD writers, peer-to-peer software, etc."

Why bother with all of this when they're implementing TCPA anyways?

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