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[Gokuma]

POTGIESSER said:

That is does. After doing about 5 tabs, your legally considered insane. Doesn't matter if they were taken all at once, or on 5 different occasions. It permanently alters your mind physcologically after so much as one use.

Heh, fuck suicide. Now there's an exit for people. But if you end up getting a frontal lobotomy you may as well be dead.

[Quast]

Oh, christ...

POTGIESSER said:

That is does. After doing about 5 tabs, your legally considered insane.

no, you're not. Not all tabs contain the exact same amount of product, and hits avaliable in the 60s, had a helluva lot more than they do now. I've done more than 5 and I assure you I'm not insane...nor are the people I know that have done it

Doesn't matter if they were taken all at once, or on 5 different occasions. It permanently alters your mind physcologically after so much as one use.

cited sources please.

After doing a tab or two the most you'll have happen to you is maybe a flashback or fond memory of your trip in every lucid detail.

I've never had a "flashback" or heard at least secondhand of it happening. And what's wrong with a fond memory of a perhaps life changing experiance? I'd assume that is to be expected

I've read about this dude who took 20 tabs at once and he's now on a permanent acid trip. Reality for him is like being high on 4 tabs of acid all the time. Scary fucking shit.

OMG REALLY?!?! I red abut thus dude that ate 10 bajillion hits and he thiks he's a glas of orage juse and he stared at the sun an went blind!!!

confirm/deny?

Me? I don't like acid, or meth for that matter, and I've seen that actualy ruin people. But one thing I hate above all else is bullshit.

Would people like you perhaps STOP spreading half-truths and hearsay about shit, please? One would think the DEA propaganda machine is doing enough of it already.

[Xenophon]

Morbidtwatt is a good enough reason for me to not do drugs.

[chilvence]

People mostly think I am on drugs all the time anyway. I feel kind of cheated :(

[MORBIDTWATT]

Gokuma said:

I hear the effects of LSD stay with some people permanently with them seeing shit. Damn, if I was messed like that I would go from slightly mad to completely mad. And it's best I stay in reality and don't see shit that isn't there in the first place. Could you imagine much permanently hallucinating would fuck with you after seeing a freaky horror movie?

its false who ever told u that lsd stays with u permanently, and false agin that u get flashbacks. if this were true i bee seeing people eating eachother wearing peoples skins running around slaughtering old folks, all in the name of street graphiti as the hyro glyphics of today, everyone has a story to tell so why not make it into an artform.i love daydreams , tripiing help me invision the best in people and the ultimate worse, its incredible what imagination looks like when u see it directly in the face and have a staring contest

and yes i have watched all of faces od death while on acid and have watched autopsy videos with friends only to discuss them with friends as we watched itsd incredible the convos u summon and the fear that get brought up with em, theres nothing wrong with bein alone and scared its perfectly normal

[MORBIDTWATT]

ohh and i must add ive also watched this shit alone on acid and im perfectly fine i have came up with some awesome shit from this experience, im not even strong in the head nor am i a smart man but i know what death is. all in all it was a trip somehwere just not here

[Job]

Xenophon said:

Morbidtwatt is a good enough reason for me to not do drugs.

MORBIDTWATT is a good enough reason for everyone to not reproduce.

[DOOM Anomaly]

Drugs have caused enough pain in my life and the only substance I take is insulin. My word, I hate them with a passion. Along with alcohol and other such things, if I wanted to find an excuse for doing something stupid with an equally stupid reason, I'd rather headbutt the sidewalk as it'd yield just about the same results.

Whee. :D

[MORBIDTWATT]

DOOM Anomaly said:

Drugs have caused enough pain in my life and the only substance I take is insulin. My word, I hate them with a passion. Along with alcohol and other such things, if I wanted to find an excuse for doing something stupid with an equally stupid reason, I'd rather headbutt the sidewalk as it'd yield just about the same results.

Whee. :D

a headbutts effect is the same as drinking and waking up next a fat "woman" with a massive headache, and her son is sitting in front of a computer playing doom and laughing at u saying u fucked his father, u immediately get scared and choke on ur own vomit and die,

10secs later fart and shit urself

~fin

[Bucket]

Yes. Yes, of course.

[DOOM Anomaly]

Numbermind said:

Yes. Yes, of course.

Much like signing a form without reading it, I refrain from answering him with the fear of not knowing what was said. :D

[Dittohead]

haha morbidtwat. that's awesome.

the name, that is.

On topic: I've only done a few, including shrooms, weed, and opium. Weed is boring as hell, shrooms were cool, and the opium really pissed me off because it was laced in some food of mine.

Stupid fucking hippies can all die.

[Relica Religia]

Sephiroth said:

usally around these parts pot is the thing, everyone does it. its everywhere. however the massives have been craving a groovy trip and so everyone is shroom hunting. even i am curious about shrooms, but i still dout i will use them.

I've been curious about mush as well, though I doubt I'd ever do it.....the fact that it's pure poison that you're ingesting is the real turn-off.

MORBIDTWATT said:

a headbutts effect is the same as drinking and waking up next a fat "woman" with a massive headache, and her son is sitting in front of a computer playing doom and laughing at u saying u fucked his father, u immediately get scared and choke on ur own vomit and die,

10secs later fart and shit urself

~fin

I dunno whether or not you're entertaining or just plain fucking scary.

[Sharessa]

I had a dream last night that I was on acid or somesuch. I saw some crazy stuff like the stars raining down and connecting up to form constellations.

I bet acid is actualy more boring than that.

[SYS]

Quast said:

Oh, christ...

no, you're not. Not all tabs contain the exact same amount of product, and hits avaliable in the 60s, had a helluva lot more than they do now. I've done more than 5 and I assure you I'm not insane...nor are the people I know that have done it

That is very true. A tab to day is estimated on average to contain about 50mcg-75mcg, where as in the 60's it was somewhere 250mg and beyond.

http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=10

Quast said:

I've never had a "flashback" or heard at least secondhand of it happening. And what's wrong with a fond memory of a perhaps life changing experiance? I'd assume that is to be expected.

Nothing wrong with them at all, they can occur through natrual means, it just has to be something extremely emotional and/or traumatic. Could be good or bad. Physchedellics just possess properties that are capable of creating them physcologically.

Quast said:

OMG REALLY?!?! I red abut thus dude that ate 10 bajillion hits and he thiks he's a glas of orage juse and he stared at the sun an went blind!!!

confirm/deny?

Well here's a trip report of some dude eating a whole fuckload. Tell me you could eat 117 tabs and be the same afterwards. Regardless of it being fiction or not, tell me that you could take that much and not suffer permanent physcological/neurological damage. It's quite possible for somebody to be fucked up with minute amounts of the drug. People who have a predisposition to mental illness or other disorders, Admittedly, those are rare. Acid is not for every brain.

Quast said:

Me? I don't like acid, or meth for that matter, and I've seen that actualy ruin people. But one thing I hate above all else is bullshit.

Would people like you perhaps STOP spreading half-truths and hearsay about shit, please? One would think the DEA propaganda machine is doing enough of it already.

The only piece of bullshit I presented was the myth of X amount of tabs and your insane. It's been proved false, at least from the perspective of criminal law. They don't want you comitting crimes and then have you give an insanity plea, because you attribute mental instability due to LSD usage.

I'm not a neurologist, and neither are you for that matter. But it'd be nice to see a study of the neurological effects before and after. It's just as unwise to spout to people about how fun/safe/great LSD is, let them throw caution to the wind, and use a substance without thinking of the possible consequences.

Alot of fuckups, are fuckups, because they use a substance based on the idea of "this will get me high", without looking at what they're putting into their body, and what it will do to them beyond getting high.

[fodders]

Acid was developed to treat mental disorders tho'.

[Bucket]

Right. And mental disorders, back then, were often a mistaken diagnosis of drug addiction (not to mention dyslexia, ADD, and the like). The circle is complete!

[Piezo]

I've only smoked weed, though I wouldn't mind trying acid or shrooms. I only smoke weed "on special occasion" since I seem to be a real lightweight. I would not try coke, crack, methedrine (any sort), or speed.
I've heard some scary stories about acid, for example my sister knew this guy who took 60 hits of acid at once and tripped for 9 days, but in reality he is on a permanent trip. He is legally insane but he seems very capable and intelligent. A buddy of mine used to do a lot of acid, one night he stuck a fifty sheet to his forehead and now whenever he is tired he sees paselys. The worst story I've heard is one my old roommate told me, some guy was at a party with a couple of sheets in his pocket, and was sitting there in a chair. This guy and girl were playing, and she tried to squirt the guy she was playing with with a bottle of water. She missed and hit the guy in the chair on the leg. He is a vegetable now. So if you ever have acid on you, FFS keep it in a ziploc bag!
The reason acid has been on the decline is because the only real source for it was shut down back in 2000 by a drug bust. This one producer was basically the source for the whole US. Other people have tried to make it but it isn't very good. The guy I know that used to do it a lot tried some of the more recent stuff and he said it was total crap. The reason it is so hard to make right is that part of the manufacturing process requires that the product be boiled in a vacuum, which requires a vacuum system, which is very expensive, and a good deal of blown glass (at least I would imagine.) He said however acid is on the rise again, but I don't think it will ever be as strong as it was back in the 60s.
I think the only other drug I'm curious about is ecstasy, but only if I got it tested first, since I heard that if it isn't made right it will ruin your hypothalamus and kill you.

[Janderson]

What is Salvia and its effects, I've never heard of this drug.

+ what's this about water and Acid?

[Grazza]

Janderson said:

What is Salvia and its effects

I've heard this interweb thingy is actually searchable.

[insertwackynamehere]

chilvence said:

People mostly think I am on drugs all the time anyway. I feel kind of cheated :(

same :(

[Quast]

Janderson said:

What is Salvia and its effects, I've never heard of this drug.

+ what's this about water and Acid?

http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia.shtml

water and acid? LSD is water soluble, and as Piezo was saying, water spilt on a pocket containing uncovered sheets of hits and the drug leeched out and is absorbed into the skin. Plausible, but I've heard that story and variations, so I chalk it up to urban legend.

[insertwackynamehere]

Piezo said:

I think the only other drug I'm curious about is ecstasy, but only if I got it tested first, since I heard that if it isn't made right it will ruin your hypothalamus and kill you.

X is very unsafe IMO. You dont realize your out of energy and work your body to death, while on it. And if you dont, it hurts your brain a lot each time.

[Janderson]

Grazza said:

I've heard this interweb thingy is actually searchable.

I should have included this in the post.

My college's networks are filtered to the max; sex, drugs (even perscription), satanism, sex health and even woodwork (!?wtf?!) are filtered.

Erowid and lyceaum are unreachable, and most (if not all) google sites are filtered.

Could someone at least copy+paste information for me (Pm if it will slow down the thread)?

[Quast]

Salvia divinorum is a soft-leaved green plant, native to Southern Mexico, which contains a powerful psychoactive chemical known as Salvinorin. S. divinorum has been used traditionally in Mexico for healing and divination and became available in the underground psychedelic culture around the world starting in the early 1990's. S. divinorum is also known as "la pastora" / "the shepherdess", "the leaves of the shepherdess", "diviner's mint" or "diviner's sage", and in context simply as "Dalvia". There are many species and varieties within the genus 'Salvia' and plants commonly found in garden stores are almost certainly not S. divinorum unless specifically labelled as such.

Strong effects can be difficult to attain from smoking dried leaf, but extracts and potency-bred leaves can cause dramatic, sometimes frightening, and completely enfolding entheogenic mind-states. Many people who try S. divinorum do not find the effects at all pleasant and choose not to repeat the experience. Salvia divinorum is traditionally used by chewing pairs of leaves. Modern use includes both smoking and chewing the leaves. When the leaves are chewed, the quid and bitter juice are held in the mouth to increase absorption.

Depending on dosage, the Salvia experience can vary from a subtle, just-off-baseline state to a full-blown psychedelic experience. At higher doses users report dramatic time distortion, vivid imagery, encounters with beings, travel to other places, planets or times, living years as the paint on a wall or experiencing the full life of another individual. Needless to say these can be extremely powerful experiences and should only be attempted with a sitter. While most people remain unmoving during the experience, some individuals will attempt to get up and walk around while in a completely dissociated state.

While sub-threshold effects are somewhat innocuous--leading some people to be cavalier in subsequent experiences--once full effects are achieved, many people find S. divinorum to be unpleasantly overwhelming and more scary than fun. As has been found with pharmaceutical kappa-opioid agonists, salvia is aversive for many who try it.

[Bucket]

insertwackynamehere said:

X is very unsafe IMO. You dont realize your out of energy and work your body to death, while on it. And if you dont, it hurts your brain a lot each time.

MDMA, in its pure form, squeezes your pleasure center like one of those orange juice extractors, draining your brain of chemicals normally used for orgasms and peaceful death. In moderation, this should be a recoverable state. However: moderation is a tough concept for most to grasp, and you'll be hard-pressed (no pun intended) to find MDMA that isn't cut with heroin or something equally destructive.

What you're referring to is probably those "water poisoning" cases that are on the news so often.

[Sharessa]

I think Salvia was in that concoction that guy drank in Altered States. That was the coolest scene in that movie.

[Piezo]

The guy that I know that did all the acid has also tried salvia. He said that the experience is very short lived (only about 30 minutes or so) but very intense. The first time he did it he fell back on the bed and face first in the ocean. The second time he did it he fell down on the bed and looked up to see a portal to hell and the souls of the people reaching out to him. I can't remember if that freaked him out, this guy for some reason never got really scared on acid ever. He lived through a Rob Zombie music video while driving and was only nervous about making it home. I'm sure he would also be unmoved by seeing his dead grandmother crawling up his leg with a knife in her teeth. :P
Anyway, what's the deal with San Pedro? Is that stuff really legal like salvia is (for the time being)?

[Quast]

Piezo said:

Anyway, what's the deal with San Pedro? Is that stuff really legal like salvia is (for the time being)?

Not exactly. Salvia isn't exactly "legal" anyway...the specifics are kinna wishy washy. Ok then, well, the cactus itself isn't scheduled. The mescaline it contains however, is obviously. It can be possesed as long as you don't intend on eating them or selling them as a drug.

IIRC this is also true in the UK concerning mushrooms containing psilocybin. That is, you can pick them and display them.

[Piezo]

Quast said:

It can be possesed as long as you don't intend on eating them or selling them as a drug.

IIRC this is also true in the UK concerning mushrooms containing psilocybin. That is, you can pick them and display them.

"What are you doing will all that San Pedro?"
"I just really like San Pedro!!!111 They look pretty don't they???"