Guy Spoils New Harry Potter Book (SPOLIERS)

[sargebaldy]

JK Rowling is a third-rate Roald Dahl. But I guess it's good kids are reading something.

[Janderson]

And young adults :) I don't think Death flying around and people having their faces mutilated is a kiddie thing.

[Submerge]

I kind of like how the harry potter books are maturing more and more with each volume. They grow with their readers, you know?

[Enjay]

sargebaldy said:

JK Rowling is a third-rate Roald Dahl.

Really? I haven't seen much in the way of thinly disguised anti-Semitic propaganda in her work. :P

[Ayu]

That would have ruined the book for me, if I hadn't already read it.

[Scabbed Angel]

HARRY POTTER DIES![/END SPOILER]

Ohh NOOSs!!!!!1

Seriously, aren't they children's books?

[insertwackynamehere]

Submerge said:

Well, to be honest.... I don't think so. Here is how I see it:

1. Dumbledore paralyzed Harry at the last second.

I don't think he would have done this if he thought snape was a traitor. He knows damn well that harry can take care of himself, and stopped harry in his tracks so he would NOT reduce snape to a pile of ashes, or totally freak out and give himself away (and get killed by the other death eaters) when he died.

2. Snape could have killed or captured harry whenever he saw fit afterwards.

He didn't. Snape had every advantage and chance to kill/capture Harry that evening, but he didn't, I think because Dumbledore didn't want him to, obviously.

I personally think this was a sacrifice on dumbledore's part to get Snape further into voldemort's confidence, perhaps so he can find and destroy the rest of Voldemort's Horcruxes.

Yeah Yeah, I'm thinking too hard on this

hmm good points and probably the case. another thing, Dumbledore wouldnt plead. I just cant see it. that "Please Severus" meant something else. also Dumbledore isnt dumb. he wouldnt make that kind of mistake about Snape. but apparently no one in the Order knew about it. or did they? some of them didnt seem as shocked as they could have been...

[sargebaldy]

Enjay said:

Really? I haven't seen much in the way of thinly disguised anti-Semitic propaganda in her work. :P

What :( I've never even heard that criticism of him before, how do you mean? Admittedly I haven't read his books in a while, although I did just get Kiss Kiss from the library.

[Janderson]

insertwackynamehere said:

hmm good points and probably the case. another thing, Dumbledore wouldnt plead. I just cant see it. that "Please Severus" meant something else. also Dumbledore isnt dumb. he wouldnt make that kind of mistake about Snape. but apparently no one in the Order knew about it. or did they? some of them didnt seem as shocked as they could have been...

Another thing to think about is you can't do any of the Unforgivable Curses unless you mean them, He might be a master at Occlumency and Legilimency but can (if he is an ally) he trick him self into hating Dumbledore? Hmm, perhaps that's what the pleading was for.

[Fletcher`]

THis is like reading the third book of Dune and someone saying "in the fourth book he DIES." and some such shit.. Well duh i read it on the fucking sleeve..

[Ayu]

Veddge said:

I'm really looking forward to this book, and the final book 7 too. I'm going to try and pick it up sometime this week. Since this is a spoiler title thread ;) I'll just say that I hope Ron and Hermione officially get together.

Nope, sorry. ***** kills **********

[Enjay]

sargebaldy said:

What :( I've never even heard that criticism of him before, how do you mean? Admittedly I haven't read his books in a while, although I did just get Kiss Kiss from the library.

Actually, I was basically being flippant. There is very little in his children's works to back up what I said. However, his work has been interpreted as racist and sexist and he is on record in many other places for what have been taken as anti-Semitic, racist and sexist comments and opinions.

From here

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/171/story_17100_1.html

"The most well-known example is the original depiction of the Oompa-Loompas in "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory." The first edition of the book described them as dark-skinned pygmies from Africa who let out warlike chants. This brought about accusations of racism from the NAACP and other groups. Mel Stuart, director of the 1971 film "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory," knew Dahl's description was offensive and depicted the Oompa-Loompas as the orange and green elf-like creatures we are familiar with. Shortly after that, Dahl apologized publicly for the misunderstanding, saying he never meant to appear racist, and changed the description of the characters in the book to "rosy-white dwarves."


"One of the most controversial moments in his career came in 1983 when he was asked to review a book entitled "God Cried." The book focused on the controversial Israeli invasion of Lebanon at the time. In the review Dahl claimed that once Israel invaded Lebanon, "we all started hating Jews." He made several other inflammatory statements around that time regarding Jewish people, which caused a serious backlash in the United States in particular. Booksellers stopped selling his books. American Jewish readers often returned his books to his publisher with letters protesting Dahl's comments. Dahl later defended his position by saying he was not anti-Semitic but anti-Israel because of the situation in Lebanon."

Related to the above:

Roald Dahl reportedly once said of the Jews:there’s a trait in the Jewish character that does provoke animosity . . . I mean there is always a reason why anti-anything crops up anywhere; even a stinker like Hitler didn’t just pick on them for no reason.

Was he racist? Was he anti-semitic? Was he sexist? Was he just the product of a different time?

I don't know.

[sargebaldy]

Good info, nice to see he changed his book though when people brought that up. He doesn't really sound any more racist to me than the average American is today towards Palestine, and growing up in the period he did it isn't all that surprising to me.

[Janderson]

Roald Dahl shouldn't have had to change his books. It maddens me how whiney people can't leave things be. Also I don't really know what Palastine did wrong except allow a pile of shit to get dumped on them.

Anyway, will the next Harry Potter Book be set in Hogwarts? Or what will become of Hogwarts? Your thoughts please.

EDIT: With the pile of shit, I was refering to the problems America dropped on them. not the Jews.

[JacKThERiPPeR]

deathz0r said:

The Harry Potter books suck. I tried reading the first book and I gave up after 60 pages.

Agree. I gave up reading at the second book.

[pilottobombadier]

Enjay said:

Actually, I was basically being flippant. There is very little in his children's works to back up what I said. However, his work has been interpreted as racist and sexist and he is on record in many other places for what have been taken as anti-Semitic, racist and sexist comments and opinions.

From here

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/171/story_17100_1.html

"The most well-known example is the original depiction of the Oompa-Loompas in "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory." The first edition of the book described them as dark-skinned pygmies from Africa who let out warlike chants. This brought about accusations of racism from the NAACP and other groups. Mel Stuart, director of the 1971 film "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory," knew Dahl's description was offensive and depicted the Oompa-Loompas as the orange and green elf-like creatures we are familiar with. Shortly after that, Dahl apologized publicly for the misunderstanding, saying he never meant to appear racist, and changed the description of the characters in the book to "rosy-white dwarves."


"One of the most controversial moments in his career came in 1983 when he was asked to review a book entitled "God Cried." The book focused on the controversial Israeli invasion of Lebanon at the time. In the review Dahl claimed that once Israel invaded Lebanon, "we all started hating Jews." He made several other inflammatory statements around that time regarding Jewish people, which caused a serious backlash in the United States in particular. Booksellers stopped selling his books. American Jewish readers often returned his books to his publisher with letters protesting Dahl's comments. Dahl later defended his position by saying he was not anti-Semitic but anti-Israel because of the situation in Lebanon."

Related to the above:



Was he racist? Was he anti-semitic? Was he sexist? Was he just the product of a different time?

I don't know.

Racist, no. It's obvious that he's not. He just doesn't give a fuck about the media's feelings, and I respect that, and we all should. The Hitler remark is wide-open, I wouldn't be so naive as to jump on the anti-semitism bandwagon over that (and I'm Jewish), at least without further clarification that gave reason for that. Too bad, iirc, Dahl's no longer with the living to give us that clarification, mmm?

Anyway, IMO, Harry Potter sucks. Song of Ice and Fire for me, thankee very much.

[Cardboard Marty]

I think the Doom Comic is better written than Harry Pothead.

[Submerge]

yeah, harry potter doesn't have HUGE GUTS

[Xanthier]

Goat said:

lucas is worth billions but i bet money is the motivation for remaking the SW movies like 4 times

when did they ever re-make a Star Wars movie? I think your referring to making prequels, which is not the same.

[Ichor]

I think he means all the different versions of the originals with extra special effects (Death Star explosion, Greedo shoots first, etc.).

[SulfurOccult]

i've come to hate this video. i can't play a game of CS:S anymore w/o some random person randomly spouting "snape kills dumbldor" (sp?), and some other person replying "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :p"

[Crazy doomguy]

Relica Religia said:

I can't wait for Harry Potter to die. But knowing my luck they'll just make another sequel book about the Terminator going back in time to save him. Goddamn it.

Yeah forreal :P

[Janderson]

Marty Razor Kirra said:

I think the Doom Comic is better written than Harry Pothead.

I'm sorry I don't remember reading that one, is it one of those Lampoon books, perchance?

Relica Religia: I don't think he will die during the series, plus I really don't think that anything muggle-made can save him.