The /newstuff Chronicles #246

[duncan]

Chrono_T said:

You missed the weapon mods The Arms of Oblivion and Demented reality. They were uploaded BEFORE alpha!. Also, although you called it a weapon mod, you then called it a map. WTF?

Nice newstuff though. :/

Allow me to humbly apologise...but if you'd seen that page on a Saturday with just a day to sift through and review it all, yours may not have been perfect either ;)

I tried my best...calling it a map as a simple typo didn't wreck the whole thing I should hope

[Hobbs]

kristus said:

Well, that's a very insightful opinion you express there, however I disagree and think Duncan did a pretty good job reviewing a rather unintresting lineup in very short time.

Thats your right. I swear I haven't seen a really excellent /newstuff since the last one Scuba did. The wads either sucked very badly or the reviewer shouldn't have been reviewing anything. Or, like this week, both occured.

[Bloodshedder]

All right, that's it, we're cancelling newstuff! It all sucks anyways.

[Hobbs]

Bloodshedder said:

All right, that's it, we're cancelling newstuff! It all sucks anyways.

huzzah

[Fletcher`]

RjY said:

if you're making maps just to get good reviews you're doing it for the wrong reason, but it's true---if you show your map to the internet, you're obviously looking for other people to play it, and saying "oh I love making maps just for the sake of it" is so much hogwash. If you were doing that you wouldn't need to release them and hang around the forums waiting for newstuff every week, would you?!

Protip: Map for yourself First, others Second.

Edit: I agree with most of what Duncan has said in here.

[julz_d]

RjY said:

I had this idea the other day:

Newstuff would be better if instead of it being one guy each week you get several people each of whom specialise in different types of maps or source ports or whatever to do the reviews. For example:

• somebody who likes old maps to do those
• somebody else who plays deathmatch a lot to do the multiplayer stuff
• people who prefer zdoom/skulltag/legacy/edge to review releases for those engines
• even someone who appreciates weapon mods, I mean, say I had to review a weapons mod, I wouldn't give it a favourable treatment because I'm just not into weapons mods. But some people are, and they should be the ones to review each other's work, I guess.

And so forth. Then each week one of the admins or news posters would have to collect the parts together and post it. It'd probably be too hard to organise but might solve some problems.

It won't raise the signal to noise ratio of uploaded wads but I can't see how to do that other than the good mappers stopping being lazy and getting their projects out the door :grin:

Of course the other thing is the standard for what counts as a decent wad in most people's minds is high enough that making one takes a lot of talent, time and effort. This can put new potential talent off, rather than encourage it to be developed---especially getting a one-line mostly negative review from an unappreciative reviewer, after possibly hours of work. I think it's as much a thing for newstuff to encourage authors as well as provide an overview for players.

I realise people say that if you're making maps just to get good reviews you're doing it for the wrong reason, but it's true---if you show your map to the internet, you're obviously looking for other people to play it, and saying "oh I love making maps just for the sake of it" is so much hogwash. If you were doing that you wouldn't need to release them and hang around the forums waiting for newstuff every week, would you?!

Now that is a really good idea!

You need to find a TRUE oldskooler to review the 1994 (or 1994 style) maps. I've haven't seen very many of these older wads get a very extensive review. It would be a good idea to find somone who doesn't say something like "its old, its no good because its old and not up to todays standards." Gotta find someone who appreciates the older wads and gives them fair reviews for their time period.

Also yes, you need someone who knows their DM to review a DM wad. There are a lot of people who don't even play Doom multiplayer. I'm a mapper and most of my time goes into multiplayer maps like DM and CTF. I play a lot on Zdaemon (wich is where most of the mp wads get played). This also ties into the whole reviewer by port idea. Have a person who plays a lot of zd or skulltag do these kind of reviews.

As for new SP wads, that seems to be the main focus for DW reviewers, so leave that as is.

[TheDarkArchon]

If anything comes of this, I'll take weapons mods :)

[deathz0r]

HobbsTiger1 said:

The wads either sucked very badly or the reviewer shouldn't have been reviewing anything. Or, like this week, both occured.

Feel free to take this week, then. Until I see you (or anyone else) do a /newstuff review, don't fucking complain. At the current moment, myself and Duncan are the only people who are doing /newstuff regularly, and I'm more than willing to give up this week (or any other week I have) to give any shit stirring mong an oppurtunity to do the hard work themselves. Tormentor "the saviour of the ZDoom community" did the exact same thing ages ago, and he changed his opinion quickly after he finished writing the reviews.

[Bastet Furry]

@deathz0r:
Then tell me when and where and who corrects my bad english ;)

[deathz0r]

Bastet Furry said:

@deathz0r:
Then tell me who corrects my bad english

That would be Bloodshedder.

[Bastet Furry]

Ok, maybee i am doing next then.

[Hobbs]

deathz0r said:

Feel free to take this week, then. Until I see you (or anyone else) do a /newstuff review, don't fucking complain. At the current moment, myself and Duncan are the only people who are doing /newstuff regularly, and I'm more than willing to give up this week (or any other week I have) to give any shit stirring mong an oppurtunity to do the hard work themselves. Tormentor "the saviour of the ZDoom community" did the exact same thing ages ago, and he changed his opinion quickly after he finished writing the reviews.

Tell you what deathz0r. Don't get you panties in a bunch. I promise for the next, lets say the next three, weeks I abso-fucking-lutley guaruntee you I wont bitch. If it makes you happy.

[kristus]

Good.

[Siggi]

Hehe, who cares if most the maps are shit. the reviews usually make me laugh anyways.

[darknation]

HobbsTiger1 said:

Tell you what deathz0r. Don't get you panties in a bunch. I promise for the next, lets say the next three, weeks I abso-fucking-lutley guaruntee you I wont bitch. If it makes you happy.

are you menstruating right now?

[Csonicgo]

http://darknation.mancubus.net/explowned.gif

[Hobbs]

mallis said:

are you menstruating right now?

Does the parade end? (Answer only when you've figured out the question, because I'm going to ignore any idiotic response that has absolutely no relation to what was asked).

[mystery8]

Dupe - Not bad. But not great either. Was fun to play, but not a keeper.

Outahere - Very nice. I like outdoor maps and this one works well.

Rockisle - Pleasing to the eye and fun to play.

[Hirogen2]

crappy weak week

[deathz0r]

Hirogen2 said:

crappy weak week

#247 is even more weak, save for a special guest review.