Heretic demos (non-demopack and NM)

[GoneAway]

Just now, Thom Wye said:

Heretic should have a true Black Plague 100% category since it doesn't have respawning monsters.

Two things: it does, BP Max. And the nightmare runs do have respawn (they are played with -respawn on skill 5).

[Thom Wye]

well, I stand corrected

[PVS]

JCD
You with NM monsters are faster - than I am without, I know that I'm a turtle speedrunner, but so much, he-he
I see you recorded these 8 demos in one hour, what's next - E1 movie? If you planed a movie and record it - record also regular nomo100s movie, after NM100s it will be a rest run for you, route you already know, heh

Thom Wye
There is a complete set, You were looking for this?

https://dsdarchive.com/wads/heretic/table_view?category=BP+Max

Also, if I remember exactly - Heretic Nightmare (skill-5 + respawn) this is Doom equivalent skill-5 + fast, Heretic uses -fast by default for skill-5, it does not have a separate -fast parameter, need to look in engine code again, to be sure. But it is always visible - as monsters start dancing fast disco on skill-5, it always makes me laugh until I get an ax in my head, heh
 

[Dimon12321]

On 1/12/2021 at 8:47 PM, kokrean said:

Heretic episode 4 in 7:55

heretice4-755.zip

(not video added)

I think it's a beautiful run.

 

[Dimon12321]

On 1/29/2021 at 10:46 PM, kokrean said:

Heretic episode 5 in 11:16

heretice5-1116.zip

 

[Ks4]

A good time for episode 5 it's 10:20 or less.

 

It was already beaten with saves in less than 10:41 considering that it's the real time.

 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Kokrovan

[JCD]

Episode 1 Nightmare! 100% secrets in 12:21 :

 

h1nx1221.zip

 

I think I'll not do any nomo100%, I'm not interested.

And here is some Episode 2 Nightmare! 100% Secrets demos. E2M3 doesn't have any secrets and E2M8 already have a NMS demo for it by Vincent.
(wrong order cause weird DW upload process)

 

h2x9-204.zip
h2x7-125.zip
h2x6-134.zip
h2x5-124.zip
h2x4-118.zip
h2x2-110.zip

[JCD]

Episode 3 Nightmare! 100% secrets demos. E3M8 NM speed is already NMS :
 

h3x1-031.zip
h3x2-054.zip
h3x3-135.zip
h3x4-152.zip
h3x5-121.zip
h3x6-158.zip
h3x7-218.zip
h3x9-126.zip

[PVS]

Like M8 beginning with 1HP in E1 movie, and with this 1HP - you jumping on lava? You're crazy lucky! heh. Some of single demos - you got with smoother turns, that's good. Yes, you have chosen a difficult task, with this category ...
JCD, what rules do you use for NM100S? Single level demos - have normal/secret exit slots? In movies - secret map required necessarily? And - where is E2M1, forget it? heh

Edited March 5, 2021 by PVS

[depr4vity]

E1M1 NoMo in 0:24.63

h1o12463.zip

[Mikolah]

E2M4 - The Ice Grotto

0:55 SM-Speed

(Sourceport: dsda-doom)

h2s4-055.zip

 

Video:

https://streamable.com/pijt78

Edited April 11, 2021 by Mikolah : Added video

[PVS]

An interesting version of the Phoenix-jump, but what happened at the end? It looks like you go to drink coffee and forgot to stop recording demo, heh

[Ks4]

Heretic episode 1 Black Plague in 6:58

 

My first black plague single segment completion :')

Edited April 19, 2021 by Kokrovan

[PVS]

I haven't looked yet, but I'll try to guess, what - wing-trick used, heh
Anyway, 7 minutes of real time gameplay - this is good, I like long demos, thanks

[Ks4]

Heretic episode 1 Black Plague in 6:46

heretice1bp-646.zip

 

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On 4/13/2021 at 3:30 PM, PVS said:

this is good

@PVS Thanks dude 🤙.

I'm working on a heretic megawad, the name will be "Bloody Burning Black Pentagram" don't know 😝. If I done the main levels, I will send it to you for playtesting. We are those who likes this game before being born.

 

Also, I have some suggestions:

 

I think that heretic and hexen should have their own subforum section in doomworld, I postulate myself as moderator |:)

 

On dsda, about hexen or wads with various class, should have category for every class, I mean like Cleric speed with the record symbol.

Edited May 3, 2021 by Kokrovan

[PVS]

You are working on Heretic episode? This is interesting, if your goal is vanilla compat or limit removing - then of course, I can help, but more on the tech part, let me know, if needed.

We are not alone, why? Most of the guys can be found in the 'WADs & Mods' section, not many people are interested in demo recording, not many interesting in original map's format, but many are interested in modern game mod's, I mean, what Heretic/HeXen guys are here, you can find them, if you want.

HeXen demos in DSDA already have Fighter/Cleric/Mage class marks, don't you see? In my opinion this is enough, there won't be many HeXen demos even in comparison with Heretic, because the game hub-system is not friendly to demo recording according to the classic rules, it needs its own/additional rules. Fingers of one hand will be enough to count those who record vanilla HeXen demos seriously, so it's good that we have this section in DSDA archive at all.

[Mikolah]

On 4/12/2021 at 11:42 PM, PVS said:

It looks like you go to drink coffee and forgot to stop recording demo

 

That's exactly what happened, believe it or not

[ZeroMaster010]

Heretic SM-Speed demos:
Episode 1 in 5:39
Episode 2 in 6:16
Episode 3 in 7:58
Episode 4 in 7:04
Episode 5 in 9:30

 

youtube: https://youtu.be/2G--mRuUUJE

 

No idea how much the records are improved by, hard to say from the speedrundotcom videos (in most cases the in game time listed there is complete nonsense). Most of these were first exits, there's probably several route improvements as well, so needless to say the times could be better. I don't think heretic has much issues with significantly different routes for ExM1-ExM7 and ExM1-ExM8 times, but I'll just put both the times in the txt.

h1sp-539.zip

h2sp-616.zip

h3sp-758.zip

h4sp-704.zip

h5sp-930.zip

[PVS]

All the best times! Very high quality records, thanks. Now ZeroMaster in Heretic demo-table, it seems to me what skill-4 too easy for you, maybe skill-5 it would be more interesting? heh

There has never been much difference in ExM1-ExM7 vs ExM1-ExM8 routes, just until last year there was not a source port or lmp utility that could accurately show the time on Heretic M8 maps, for this reason time was taken only for ExM1-ExM7 and M8 was optional. This is the same tradition as measuring movies time without milliseconds, which sometimes gives a difference in 5-7 seconds for 8-9 episode maps, I'm not sure - is it still used in Doom movies? It seems to me that in D2all for 32 maps the difference can reach 20 or more seconds, which is already a lot.

[JCD]

On 3/5/2021 at 12:47 AM, PVS said:

JCD, what rules do you use for NM100S? Single level demos - have normal/secret exit slots? In movies - secret map required necessarily? And - where is E2M1, forget it? heh

Yeah, I'm gonna stay on the same rules as Doom : Get all the secrets and exit (secret exit if level has one). and do all the levels in an episode run (so including secret levels)
 

I forgot about e2m1, here it is :

h2x1-035.zip

Here are some episode 4 demos :
h4x1-209.zip

h4x3-235.zip

h4x4-136.zip

h4x5-210.zip

h4x6-124.zip

h4x7-144.zip

h4x8-212.zip

h4x9-311.zip

 

e4m2 don't have any secrets.

 

[JCD]

Here are episode 5 demos :
h5x1-153.zip

h5x2-147.zip

h5x3-058.zip

h5x4-149.zip

h5x5-246.zip

h5x6-259.zip

h5x7-156.zip

 

E5M8 & E5M9 don't have any secrets.

 

And some other things I recorded recently :

h2x8-216.zip

h5n9-156.zip

h6n1-020.zip

h6n2-106.zip

h6n1-020.zip

[JCD]

Episode 4 Nightmare! 100% secrets in 21:05 :

 

 

h4nx2105.zip

[Ks4]

E6M1 in 20,63

heretice6m1-20.zip

 

E6M3 SM-Max in 56s

heretice6m3smmax-56.zip

Edited July 20, 2021 by Kokrovan

[GoneAway]

Crispy heretic and dsda-doom can both get you the millisecs. You can either see them on the intermission screen (in dsda-doom, not sure about crispy) or with the -levelstat command line option (creates levelstat.txt file with the time).

[Ks4]

E2M9 in 48,91

heretice2m9-4891.zip

E3M3 Black Plague in 1:15,66

heretice3m3b-11566.zip

E3M4 in 1:15,20

heretice3m4-11520.zip

E3M4 Black Plague in 1:15,23

heretice3m4b-11523.zip

E3M5 in 49,77

heretice3m5-4977.zip

E3M5 Black Plague in 50,54

heretice3m5b-5054.zip

E3M7 in 1:35,34

heretice3m7-13534.zip

E4M6 in 1:18,86

heretice4m6-11886.zip

E5M2 Black Plague in 1:23,43

heretice5m2b-12343.zip

Edited August 10, 2021 by Kokrovan

[JCD]

E1M8 Coop Smite-Meister Max in 0:43 - h1m8c043.zip - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=473bbZMujyw

E2M8 Coop Smite-Meister Max in 0:58 - h2m8c058.zip - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rryzaBXTD2U

E3M8 Coop Smite-Meister Max in 0:51 - h3m8c051.zip - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5A8Wrnjop4

[PVS]

Kokrovan, do you know that QWERTY is the only one Heretic girl? 20 years ago, she recorded demos on the original engine with all Heretic's demo recording problems and only on a keyboard without a mouse. How can you beat so many of her nice demos and throw them out from the best table? You can't do that! hehe. I'm kidding a little, but my words make sense. Guys, please - never beat h2s7-103, this is my favorite Heretic demo forever, sometimes I can watch it 20 times in a row!

Your E6M3 SM-Max has time of 1:00, not 56 seconds, right?

JCD, Crispy Heretic 5.10 or DSDA Heretic - now can playback Heretic net demos? 2 players cross attack vs D'Sparil in E3M8 coop - turned out just gorgeous!

As always - thanks to all for the good Heretic demos!
 

[Ks4]

E1M3 Black Plague in 43,34

heretice1m3b-4334.zip

E1M4 Black Plague in 43,60

heretice1m4b-4360.zip

E1M6 in 1:06,83

heretice1m6-10683.zip

E1M6 Black Plague in 1:07,51

heretice1m6b-10751.zip

E1M6s in 1:09,77

heretice1m6s-10977.zip

E1M6s Black Plague 1:12,69

heretice1m6sb-11269.zip

E1M7 in 1:00,03

heretice1m7-10003.zip

E1M8 Black Plague in 30,11

heretice1m8b-3011.zip

E2M2 Black Plague in 38,29

heretice2m2b-3829.zip

E2M6 in 1:05,71

heretice2m6-10571.zip

E2M6 Black Plague in 1:06,80

heretice2m6b-10680.zip

E2M8 in 59,71

heretice2m8-59,71.zip

E2M8 SM Max in 1:20,17

heretice2m8x-12017.zip

E2M8 Black Plague in 1:06,03

heretice2m8b-10603.zip

E5M2 in 1:22,40

heretice5m2-12240.zip

E5M3 in 39,69

heretice5m3-39,69.zip

 

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On 8/5/2021 at 4:02 PM, PVS said:

thanks to all for the good Heretic demos!

Thanks @PVS.

[PVS]

Next big session? This is good!
Some demos turned out with smooth turns, I'm not sure if you recorded that way specially, but personally I always like smooth demos, they are pleasant to watch. E5M3 SM-Speed in 0:39 my favorite here, it turned out - "flying on fire!", cool

P.S. You don't like the classic file naming style? heretice5m3-39,69 = h5s3-039, heh

[Ks4]

On 8/11/2021 at 6:16 PM, PVS said:

Some demos turned out with smooth turns, I'm not sure if you recorded that way specially

hehe, no I don't use any special parameter, for me my turns looks weird and nothing soft, maybe you play them on some port with low resolution and framerate like chocolate.

 

On 8/11/2021 at 6:16 PM, PVS said:

You don't like the classic file naming style? heretice5m3-39,69 = h5s3-039, heh

In my folders I am very organized with my files.