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Heretic demos (non-demopack and NM)

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Just now, Thom Wye said:

Heretic should have a true Black Plague 100% category since it doesn't have respawning monsters.

Two things: it does, BP Max. And the nightmare runs do have respawn (they are played with -respawn on skill 5).

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JCD
You with NM monsters are faster - than I am without, I know that I'm a turtle speedrunner, but so much, he-he
I see you recorded these 8 demos in one hour, what's next - E1 movie? If you planed a movie and record it - record also regular nomo100s movie, after NM100s it will be a rest run for you, route you already know, heh

Thom Wye
There is a complete set, You were looking for this?

https://dsdarchive.com/wads/heretic/table_view?category=BP+Max

Also, if I remember exactly - Heretic Nightmare (skill-5 + respawn) this is Doom equivalent skill-5 + fast, Heretic uses -fast by default for skill-5, it does not have a separate -fast parameter, need to look in engine code again, to be sure. But it is always visible - as monsters start dancing fast disco on skill-5, it always makes me laugh until I get an ax in my head, heh
 

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A good time for episode 5 it's 10:20 or less.

 

It was already beaten with saves in less than 10:41 considering that it's the real time.

 

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Like M8 beginning with 1HP in E1 movie, and with this 1HP - you jumping on lava? You're crazy lucky! heh. Some of single demos - you got with smoother turns, that's good. Yes, you have chosen a difficult task, with this category ...
JCD, what rules do you use for NM100S? Single level demos - have normal/secret exit slots? In movies - secret map required necessarily? And - where is E2M1, forget it? heh

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An interesting version of the Phoenix-jump, but what happened at the end? It looks like you go to drink coffee and forgot to stop recording demo, heh

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Heretic episode 1 Black Plague in 6:58

 

My first black plague single segment completion :')

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I haven't looked yet, but I'll try to guess, what - wing-trick used, heh
Anyway, 7 minutes of real time gameplay - this is good, I like long demos, thanks

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Heretic episode 1 Black Plague in 6:46

heretice1bp-646.zip

 

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On 4/13/2021 at 3:30 PM, PVS said:

this is good

@PVS Thanks dude 🤙.

I'm working on a heretic megawad, the name will be "Bloody Burning Black Pentagram" don't know 😝. If I done the main levels, I will send it to you for playtesting. We are those who likes this game before being born.

 

Also, I have some suggestions:

 

I think that heretic and hexen should have their own subforum section in doomworld, I postulate myself as moderator |:)

 

On dsda, about hexen or wads with various class, should have category for every class, I mean like Cleric speed with the record symbol.

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You are working on Heretic episode? This is interesting, if your goal is vanilla compat or limit removing - then of course, I can help, but more on the tech part, let me know, if needed.

We are not alone, why? Most of the guys can be found in the 'WADs & Mods' section, not many people are interested in demo recording, not many interesting in original map's format, but many are interested in modern game mod's, I mean, what Heretic/HeXen guys are here, you can find them, if you want.

HeXen demos in DSDA already have Fighter/Cleric/Mage class marks, don't you see? In my opinion this is enough, there won't be many HeXen demos even in comparison with Heretic, because the game hub-system is not friendly to demo recording according to the classic rules, it needs its own/additional rules. Fingers of one hand will be enough to count those who record vanilla HeXen demos seriously, so it's good that we have this section in DSDA archive at all.

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On 4/12/2021 at 11:42 PM, PVS said:

It looks like you go to drink coffee and forgot to stop recording demo

 

That's exactly what happened, believe it or not

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Heretic SM-Speed demos:
Episode 1 in 5:39
Episode 2 in 6:16
Episode 3 in 7:58
Episode 4 in 7:04
Episode 5 in 9:30

 

youtube: https://youtu.be/2G--mRuUUJE

 

No idea how much the records are improved by, hard to say from the speedrundotcom videos (in most cases the in game time listed there is complete nonsense). Most of these were first exits, there's probably several route improvements as well, so needless to say the times could be better. I don't think heretic has much issues with significantly different routes for ExM1-ExM7 and ExM1-ExM8 times, but I'll just put both the times in the txt.

h1sp-539.zip

h2sp-616.zip

h3sp-758.zip

h4sp-704.zip

h5sp-930.zip

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All the best times! Very high quality records, thanks. Now ZeroMaster in Heretic demo-table, it seems to me what skill-4 too easy for you, maybe skill-5 it would be more interesting? heh

There has never been much difference in ExM1-ExM7 vs ExM1-ExM8 routes, just until last year there was not a source port or lmp utility that could accurately show the time on Heretic M8 maps, for this reason time was taken only for ExM1-ExM7 and M8 was optional. This is the same tradition as measuring movies time without milliseconds, which sometimes gives a difference in 5-7 seconds for 8-9 episode maps, I'm not sure - is it still used in Doom movies? It seems to me that in D2all for 32 maps the difference can reach 20 or more seconds, which is already a lot.

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