Weed worse than cigs?

[fraggle]

Nightmare Doom said:

Smells like propaganda being used to justify the so called "War on Drugs" (War on Poverty in reality). Anything that comes out from a Mainstream news source is not meant to be trusted since the ones who crafted the article have an agenda for making society even more oppressive as usual....

Sounds like someone has been smoking too much weed :-P

[Nightmare Doom]

fraggle said:

Sounds like someone has been smoking too much weed :-P

I never did smoked weed in my entire life and never will but I don't care if someone else does it since it's their buisness...

[TheDarkArchon]

Remember, kids. Mainstream news = bad and always believe in conspiracy theories.

[YMB]

TheDarkArchon said:

Remember, kids. Mainstream news = bad and always believe in conspiracy theories.

Waaaay ahead of you.
*Adjusts tinfoil hat*

[deathbringer]

Stories like this just come about because of thick-as-fuck Brit teenagers assuming that because the drug has been downgraded (get less penalties for carrying it) it is "safe", when actually it just causes different kinds of damage to tobacco. Though personally i say let them fuck themselves up on whatever they want (might get rid of a few), just so long as they pay shitloads of taxes to do it

[BoldEnglishman]

Hey I'm one of those "Thich-as-fuck Brit teenagers" :P. Well probably not because like every other country, you get retards, and you get normal civilized people. It's not as if every British teenager is stoned all the time.
Besides I was in Vancouver a couple of weeks ago and some addict came up to me on the street and was like "Heeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyy you have any Marijuana ????????///!??!2/", at about 1PM in the middle of the street and that's never happened to me in the UK.

I've smoked cigs, I haven't smoked Weed. So ultimately I can't make a final judgement on which is worse. But I have to agree with Janitor that the legality issue is what keeps me away from Weed, so at least something is working here. Though as Fraggle said is it just common sense NOT to force smoke into your lungs.

I guess bottom-line is that neither are harmful in small amounts. Go over-board and your fucked. My view at the moment is that I would do neither, because I don't give a crap about what harmful side effects it does to me, but I don't want to harm anybody around me just because I want to get high. Selfishness if it ever was slapping me in the face

EDIT: Sentence construction

[Sharessa]

BoldEnglishman said:

Besides I was in Vancouver a couple of weeks ago and some addict came up to me on the street and was like "Heeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyy you have any Marijuana ????????///!??!2/", at about 1PM in the middle of the street and that's never happened to me in the UK.

Man, you're talking about Vancouver there. THat's the city where if you go into certain areas, you'll notice every third person walking down the street is fucked out of their mind on heroin. These aren't the back alleys either. One such place is wedged between Chinatown and Gastown, two major tourist districts. The war on drugs kind of fucked over that city. Long story I won't get into there.

[Csonicgo]

Smoke kills, it doesn't matter where the smoke is coming from

[SYS]

Those that profit from it want it to stay illegal. The amount of weed coming out of Canada yearly is estimated in the 4 billion - 7 billion US dollar range. Legalization would cause the value of it to plummet eliminating the organized crime element and the property damage caused by grow ops. It would also free up police resources to pursue real crime.

Danarchy said:

Man, you're talking about Vancouver there. THat's the city where if you go into certain areas, you'll notice every third person walking down the street is fucked out of their mind on heroin. These aren't the back alleys either. One such place is wedged between Chinatown and Gastown, two major tourist districts. The war on drugs kind of fucked over that city. Long story I won't get into there.

Downtown Eastside isn't a very cheery place. Highest concentration of addicts and HIV in all of North America. Crack, Heroin, meth heads, all kinds down there. I see it whenever I bus downtown. I've walked through there enough times that I'm desensitized to it. Sometimes I gotta catch a night bus at 3:00am in the thick of it.

Typically they either ask you for change, try to sell you crack, or because of your cleanly appearance they assume you're a dealer and ask *insert drug* for sale. Sometimes they will have stolen loot that they will try to sell to you. Once when I was loaded waiting at a bus stop and I bought a Microsoft office cd and an optical mouse for $2.00. He had a windows 98 upgrade cd but I told him it was obsolete so he chucked it at a taxicab that was at a red light.

It's a real shitty problem. With the 2010 winter olympics around the bend it should be interesting to see what will happen with them. Methinks they will ship them off to Surrey where they will fit right in. They get welfare from the government and blow it all goddamn drugs. Then when the money is gone they panhandle, scavenge for pop tins, commit property crime (theft), and steal anything they can made out of metal and sell it to a scrap yard.

[Naked Snake]

Janitor said:

no weed for me kids. cigs, yes. probly not a good idea, but the whole legality factor is what keeps me away from weed.

\

Pussy.

It depends on your country, state / province, county and maybe even your town itself the penalties marijuana carries. Anything less than a quarter ounce of marijuana is decriminalized in New York State, which means it can either be confiscated or can you can get a fine and the fine is only a violation, not a misdemeanor or felony.

[Xaechireon]

They probably target weed 'cause you can't grow cigs in your backyard, and they can't bring in taxes because of that, unlike cigs.

[Dr. Zin]

Xaechireon said:

They probably target weed 'cause you can't grow cigs in your backyard, and they can't bring in taxes because of that, unlike cigs.

Yes, you can.

[Patrick]

Naked Snake said:

It depends on your country, state / province, county and maybe even your town itself the penalties marijuana carries. Anything less than a quarter ounce of marijuana is decriminalized in New York State, which means it can either be confiscated or can you can get a fine and the fine is only a violation, not a misdemeanor or felony.

meh, its more of a "what would my girlfriend do to me if she found out" type thing. she scares me more than the cops. she almost killed me when she found out that i have 1 (maybe 2) cigarettes a week. the laws around here have legalized marijuana if you have a license to grow it, and a "plausible medical need." Of course, I have neither, and it is a felony to have it otherwise.

EDIT: shit, im also a janitor, what makes you think i can afford it?

[Johnatone]

Nightmare Doom said:

..."War on Drugs" (War on Poverty in reality)...

So, what you're saying is that middle class (like me) and upper class people don't use drugs?

Or are you saying that middle class and upper class people don't get in trouble for it?

The first interpretation of your statement is bullshit because people from all walks of life use drugs. The second is bullshit because, for instance, I'm in the middle of having my probation revoked for a couple of dirty piss tests, and I'm not even originally charged with drugs in any way, shape or form. Not only that, but half the people in my town's court system for drugs are people that don't even come close to poverty.

So, please, explain?

But before you do, let me state this: The war on drugs is simply one of the many platforms politicians use to get elected. Fred Dalton Thompson hit the nail on the head when he said on Law & Order: "We could use all the money we spend on the war on drugs and buy every poppy field in the world and burn them, but unless there's a war on something, politicians don't get elected."

So yeah, the war on drugs is bullshit propaganda, yes, and we all know that prohibition fails it, but to claim it's a war on the poor makes you look as stupid as those ACLU bastards.

[Nightmare Doom]

Johnatone said:

So, what you're saying is that middle class (like me) and upper class people don't use drugs?

Actually, I forgot to mention that only the Ruling class being hypocrites they are, uses drugs because they don't want the working class (their slaves) being 'mentally disabled' while doing their dirty work (typical jobs) that gets them even richer in the first place....You see, the reality of Capitalism that this society is designed for the Wealthy and the classes below them are meant to be their slaves....

get it now?

[YMB]

Nightmare Doom said:

Actually, I forgot to mention that only the Ruling class being hypocrites they are, uses drugs because they don't want the working class (their slaves) being 'mentally disabled' while doing their dirty work (typical jobs) that gets them even richer in the first place....You see, the reality of Capitalism that this society is designed for the Wealthy and the classes below them are meant to be their slaves....

Dude, seriously...

[the iron hitman]

Nightmare Doom said:

Actually, I forgot to mention that only the Ruling class being hypocrites they are, uses drugs because they don't want the working class (their slaves) being 'mentally disabled' while doing their dirty work (typical jobs) that gets them even richer in the first place....You see, the reality of Capitalism that this society is designed for the Wealthy and the classes below them are meant to be their slaves....

Oh dear lord......

[BoldEnglishman]

Johnatone said:

So yeah, the war on drugs is bullshit propaganda, yes, and we all know that prohibition fails it, but to claim it's a war on the poor makes you look as stupid as those ACLU bastards.

Especially when the richer you are the more hardcore drugs you can afford... I know people who are in various social circles with various dodgy people and they tell me the problem is worse with rich people than it is with others

[myk]

Johnatone said:
The war on drugs is simply one of the many platforms politicians use to get elected.

For years, like the more recent "war on terror", it's been an excuse to get involved in foreign countries through intelligence, the military, and economic pressure.

[hardcore_gamer]

CODOR said:

and I can always get a new liver.

No you can't, unless there will be a cooler box with livers in it at the
hospital you will die!

Well it's ether that or kill some bump on the street for his liver.....oh wait, that wont help will it!

[Johnatone]

Nightmare Doom said:

Actually, I forgot to mention that only the Ruling class being hypocrites they are, uses drugs because they don't want the working class (their slaves) being 'mentally disabled' while doing their dirty work (typical jobs) that gets them even richer in the first place....You see, the reality of Capitalism that this society is designed for the Wealthy and the classes below them are meant to be their slaves....

get it now?

Well, yeah, and not to flame, but that's a bunch of liberal far left socialist propaganda conspiracy bullshit.

[TheDarkArchon]

Nightmare Doom said:

A load of bollocks

Jesus Christ, enough of the conspiracy bullshit already.

[YMB]

TheDarkArchon said:

Jesus Christ, enough of the conspiracy bullshit already.

Hasn't Nightmare Doom posted enough stupid conspiracy shit yet to constitute a ban?

[myk]

yomoneyboat said:
Hasn't Nightmare Doom posted enough stupid conspiracy shit yet to constitute a ban?

For your own good, please read the FAQ.

[Maes]

Hurrr time to paint this thread red and yellow!

Just J/K of course...again, weed worse than cigs? You bet, when was the last time you saw a tar/nicotine rating on a uhm....box of weed? Oh, wait...

[doomydoom123]

just wanted to say, first off, this study is old. the final story is smoking anything is bad for you. but so is eating junk food, drinking alcohol and a ton of other stuff. however the main difference between cigs (tobacco) and alcohol/fast food is that alcohol CAN be used in moderation and fast food CAN be used in moderation. Someone who drinks all the time or someone who only eats McDonalds is labeled unhealthy. Likewise someone who smokes tobacco is labeled unhealthy. This is because cigs are addictive and people who smoke cigs almost always smoke a pack a day by the time they are fully addicted. Someone who smokes weed all the time also has a problem. But someone who smokes weed occasionally (such as on special occasions) is putting themselves in no where near the lung damage category a regular tobacco smoker is, even if cig for cig, the damage is worse.

Smoking weed, like anything, is bad for your lungs. But if its done on occasion, it probably won't cause long term problems. Drinking occasionally doesnt give you severe liver damage, and eating fatty foods from time to time isnt going to give you a heart attack. Doing anything unhealthy too much on the other hand will cause problems. With cigs, it is rare to come across someone who will occasionally smoke a cigarrette because that simply isn't how nicotine works.

Anyway, unlike tobacco, weed can be eaten. Eating tobacco could kill you from a nicotine OD. Also, weed can be vaporized (tobacco can be too but it would be an inconvenience for a tobacco smoker).

Activity:
Ask yourself: someone who smokes a joint or a few bowls with friends maybe once a month, sometimes less is getting 5 times as much carcinogens as one tobacco cigarrete. in that same time, a pack-a-day smoker could have smoked over 600 cigarrettes. everyone is hurting their lungs but who is hurting them more, to a dangerous threshold point?

oh yeah and finally, people can filter joints, its just rare, but filters are sold. I assume this would cut back the tar levels to some extent. Finally, if someone could confirm this, i read somewhere these studies compared the tar levels of the leaves of the plant. the leaves of weed contained more tar than the leaves of tobacco, but the catch is, people who smoke weed smoke the bud (flower) of the plant which contains LESS tar than tobacco. I read that somewhere, but I dont remember exactly where or if it was reliable

[printz]

I only drink, I never smoke, I never felt the need to smoke. For this reason I can only say there are addicted smokers because they're addicted and can't help it. Nothing about being cool in that. What's so wonderful about inserting smoke into oneself, blowing it out, and smelling like burning trash? It's like slowing sacrificing oneself by harming lungs and other stuff. I hate smokers and what they do is idiotic.

As for drugs, I don't know shit, because I never noticed anyone smoke drugs here, so I didn't have the time to ask how.

Why the fuck aren't drugs allowed? What, because run of the mill tweens and teens will smoke them in all places all the time? I don't care.

[Enjay]

Interesting. People are comparing weed to tobacco in many of these posts. Most people smoke weed with tobacco. For most people it's not an "either or" situation, it's an "as well as".

Very little mention has been made of the mental health issues that are increasingly coming to light - in much newer studies. Certainly I know a few people who have managed to get themselves pretty fucked up with weed. However, I have to say the quantities have generally been excessive and any drug, hell any substance, taken to that level of excess wouldn't have been good for them.


On the political issues... only kind of related, I was reading about the first Chinese opium war recently where the Brits went to war to intentionally destabilise China to ensure that they could keep making a tidy fortune by shipping drugs to the Chinese. The various entrepreneurs made their fortunes and became honoured by Queen Victoria for roles whose modern equivalent would be that of terrorist drug barons. O_o

[Inferno]

doomydoom123 said:

just wanted to say, first off, this study is old. the final story is smoking anything is bad for you. but so is eating junk food, drinking alcohol and a ton of other stuff. however the main difference between cigs (tobacco) and alcohol/fast food is that alcohol CAN be used in moderation and fast food CAN be used in moderation. Someone who drinks all the time or someone who only eats McDonalds is labeled unhealthy. Likewise someone who smokes tobacco is labeled unhealthy. This is because cigs are addictive and people who smoke cigs almost always smoke a pack a day by the time they are fully addicted. Someone who smokes weed all the time also has a problem. But someone who smokes weed occasionally (such as on special occasions) is putting themselves in no where near the lung damage category a regular tobacco smoker is, even if cig for cig, the damage is worse.

Smoking weed, like anything, is bad for your lungs. But if its done on occasion, it probably won't cause long term problems. Drinking occasionally doesnt give you severe liver damage, and eating fatty foods from time to time isnt going to give you a heart attack. Doing anything unhealthy too much on the other hand will cause problems. With cigs, it is rare to come across someone who will occasionally smoke a cigarrette because that simply isn't how nicotine works.

Anyway, unlike tobacco, weed can be eaten. Eating tobacco could kill you from a nicotine OD. Also, weed can be vaporized (tobacco can be too but it would be an inconvenience for a tobacco smoker).

Very well said.

Enjay said:

Certainly I know a few people who have managed to get themselves pretty fucked up with weed. However, I have to say the quantities have generally been excessive and any drug, hell any substance, taken to that level of excess wouldn't have been good for them.

So true. A few of my friends and I used to smoke weed on occasion, and I stopped after 2 months because I realized I didn't have a reason to do it, plus it was making memorization for exams a living hell. One friend stopped with me, and the other two continued doing it, telling me "Your wrong, it doesen't screw with your memory!". Soon enough a few months later they smoked more frequently, and I noticed them forgetting things that happened a few weeks ago, and the one guy almost didn't go back to college cause he dropped his classes and didn't try anymore. Now he's back in school, cleaned up, with his head on his shoulders (or so I hope).

But yeah, in my experience, too much screws you up. Same goes with fast food and anything else not good for your body.

[Enjay]

One guy I know did it very excessively. Dropping out of school he spent a £30,000 inheritance on (primarily) weed over a few short years, spent the best part of 1 year terrified to leave the house because "they" were after him, sending him messages by the patterns of colours or the cars driving past his house and fitting invisible cameras all over the place. Even now, almost 10 years later, he still has "episodes" where he suddenly becomes very twitchy and nervous and has to go home rather than turn into a terrified, gibbering wreck hiding in the pub/club toilet. And he was a very sharp, bright guy with a really good future ahead of him. He still lives with his parents, can't hold down a job and has nothing at all to show for his money.

Other people I know have been the more typical, become increasingly unreliable, forgetful, selfish, lazy, self important assholes with a minor neurosese kind of cases.

Edit: That video that POTGIESSER posted reminds me about one of the things that winds me up about weeders. So many of them can't just smoke a bit of weed. They have to buy into the whole pseudo-counter-culture thing, showing how cool they are with their t-shirts, keyrings, earrings, everything having a freakin tacky leaf on it. Everything is about how cool weed is and how wrong, or boring, everyone else it to not use it or, at least not allow it because they just aren't cool enough. Fine smoke it if you like but don't give the whole "in your face" crap that goes with it.