Lorenzo Posted June 16, 2009 in doomworld/idgames, i selected: Find up to 25 most Highest Rated WADs with at least 25 votes .... and my megawad "The Prometheus Experiment" is in the list! This makes me the happiest man in the world. thank you doomworld community!! Lorenzo 0 Share this post Link to post
Bloodshedder Posted June 16, 2009 Sorry, but I had to delete some duplicate votes, so now it's no longer in the top 25. 0 Share this post Link to post
Maes Posted June 16, 2009 Bloodshedder said:Sorry, but I had to delete some duplicate votes, so now it's no longer in the top 25. You ruined a young man's dreams :-( 0 Share this post Link to post
Shanoa Posted June 16, 2009 Bloodshedder said:Sorry, but I had to delete some duplicate votes, so now it's no longer in the top 25. Dang that sure is a killjoy. =P 0 Share this post Link to post
GreyGhost Posted June 17, 2009 Must have been lots of duplicate votes - it's dropped out of the top 50! If it's any consolation "Final Heretic Chapter One: The Docks" is in the top 50 maps with 25+ votes. 0 Share this post Link to post
Ismaele Posted June 17, 2009 LOL Lorenzo tell us the truth: you cheated! :P If so, you are the TRICKIEST man in the world! =P 0 Share this post Link to post
Bloodshedder Posted June 17, 2009 GreyGhost said:If it's any consolation "Final Heretic Chapter One: The Docks" is in the top 50 maps with 25+ votes. Not anymore. 28 duplicates deleted. 0 Share this post Link to post
Ismaele Posted June 17, 2009 Lorenzo sei un bambino cattivo! =P (Lorenzo, you are a bad child!) 0 Share this post Link to post
Super Jamie Posted June 17, 2009 I thought idgames didn't let the same IP vote twice? 0 Share this post Link to post
GreyGhost Posted June 17, 2009 Bloodshedder said:Not anymore. 28 duplicates deleted. Oh dear - this is looking like a re-run of the Iranian Presidential Election. When do we start rioting in the streets? 0 Share this post Link to post
Bloodshedder Posted June 17, 2009 Super Jamie said:I thought idgames didn't let the same IP vote twice? Most people's IP addresses aren't truly static. 0 Share this post Link to post
Maes Posted June 17, 2009 Bloodshedder said:Most people's IP addresses aren't truly static. And someone actually bothers cross-validating, investigating and matching perhaps very different IPs or at least a range of IPs to a single user? For everything in the database? Impressive. 0 Share this post Link to post
Ismaele Posted June 17, 2009 It looks like a sort of "Big Brother"! :| So... do you know all the IPs I connect with? Do you log them?! Is it LEGAL!? 0 Share this post Link to post
Jodwin Posted June 17, 2009 Ismaele said:So... do you know all the IPs I connect with? Do you log them?! Is it LEGAL!? Pretty much every website host out there logs visitor IPs. Many websites have stat tools too which log visitors. A lot of forum softwares also let moderators or admins view users' IPs in a way or an other. 0 Share this post Link to post
Ismaele Posted June 17, 2009 Yeah... I know that, but I didn't think that every IP address you connect with is logged. I would have never thought that Bloodshedder (or other administrators) could look for the IPs of those reviewing .WADs on the /idgames Archive and delete votes coming from the same user, who tries to change his/her IP, in order to vote several times! So could admins ban all the IPs the same user try to connect with? 0 Share this post Link to post
Maes Posted June 17, 2009 Even if it is logged, the question is what criteria does the "investigator" use to decide whether two different IPs (even if from the same range) are actually the same person spamvoting. I can think of using the last octet of an IP or considering votes arriving within a certain lapse of time spam regardless of IP (e.g. within one minute of each other). There could even be known outgoing Tor nodes blacklists, but any method using only the IPs without some end-user/subscriber validation will necessarily yield to some false positives. E.g. two IPs differing in the last octet and coming from the same country could very well be legitimate votes by two different users, so unless the actual subscribers at the telco company can be told apart, there's no way to be certain. It still sounds strange that someone would bother going through this procedure manually. 0 Share this post Link to post
DooMAD Posted June 17, 2009 Could have been loads of people at a LAN party all voting on the WAD they just played together, heh. 0 Share this post Link to post
GreyGhost Posted June 17, 2009 Ismaele said:Yeah... I know that, but I didn't think that every IP address you connect with is logged. I would have never thought that Bloodshedder (or other administrators) could look for the IPs of those reviewing .WADs on the /idgames Archive and delete votes coming from the same user, who tries to change his/her IP, in order to vote several times! So could admins ban all the IPs the same user try to connect with? Not much happens on the Internet that isn't logged somewhere and you'd be suprised at how much can be logged - another site successfully geolocated me. A voter who's trying to boost a wad in the database isn't neccessarily going to be net-savvy enough to change their IP address between votes, so Bloodshedder's probably finding blocks of votes from the same address. OTOH - IP banning becomes impractical when the visitor has a Dynamic IP that changes regularly - in my case it would mean banning two 8k address blocks - or uses an anonymous proxy, since it means casting a wide net to catch a minnow. 0 Share this post Link to post
Ismaele Posted June 17, 2009 GreyGhost said:A voter who's trying to boost a wad in the database isn't neccessarily going to be net-savvy enough to change their IP address between votes, so Bloodshedder's probably finding blocks of votes from the same address. I thought one can't vote the same .WAD twice! GreyGhost said:OTOH - IP banning becomes impractical when the visitor has a Dynamic IP that changes regularly - in my case it would mean banning two 8k address blocks - or uses an anonymous proxy, since it means casting a wide net to catch a minnow. [/B] Yeah... that would be unfair! 0 Share this post Link to post
Bloodshedder Posted June 17, 2009 All IP addresses for votes are logged. You can't vote twice from the same IP address. If your IP changes (including if you force a change), you can vote again. Yes, on occasion I look through a WAD's votes searching for duplicates. 0 Share this post Link to post
Reisal Posted June 18, 2009 Wow, people will do anything to get their WAD up in the top 25..how lame. 0 Share this post Link to post
exp(x) Posted June 18, 2009 Bloodshedder said:Yes, on occasion I look through a WAD's votes searching for duplicates. Wow. 0 Share this post Link to post
esselfortium Posted June 18, 2009 Can we vote this into the top 25 threads? 0 Share this post Link to post
Reisal Posted June 18, 2009 Should Lorenzo have a new title because of his votespamming on his own maps? 0 Share this post Link to post
Shanoa Posted June 18, 2009 I second Mr. Chris here. Request that OP gets is own custom title ''votespam is own map to be in the top25'' :) 0 Share this post Link to post
GreyGhost Posted June 18, 2009 That's assuming Lorenzo's doing the spamming and not some psychotic cyberstalking fanboy. :-) 0 Share this post Link to post
Ismaele Posted June 18, 2009 I hope that for Lorenzo... but why should that "psychotic cyberstalking fanboy" vote for Lorenzo's maps?! But actually... why would Lorenzo confess here his happiness, if he voted for his own maps!? That would mean confessing his crime, after all! I don't think Lorenzo is so stupid...! :P So... maybe the idea of the "psychotic cyberstalking fanboy" isn't so bad. 0 Share this post Link to post
Planky Posted June 18, 2009 I vote that Archvile78 gets the title Bandwagoner. 0 Share this post Link to post