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Flesh420

Report : 237 millionares in Congress

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You got a problem with vaccines?

It might be argued the type of person who has the patience, persistence, and ego to get through the bullshit to get into such a thing likely has the same ability to get rich. Basically a club of assholes. At least they were willing to get rid of the formal requirement that you be rich.

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What can I say? Public service is a boring, tedious, thankless job. It's only natural that they vote raises for themselves and take handouts from large corporations in exchange for favorable legislation.

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Vaccinations kill fewer people than viruses - I don't understand why people object to them. As for politics, that's never been a suitable passtime for paupers or under-achievers.

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pauper thats a little uncalled for. I may be allot of things but im not an idiot or poor. Its cool though, you will see hopefully before its too late.

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There's nothing wrong with vaccines. It would be nice if we had some less gajillionaires in congress, though. No wonder they're so out of touch with the rest of America.

Vice President Joe Biden has often tagged himself as an original blue collar man. The CRP backs him up, putting his net worth at just $27,000.


o_o

My friend recently discovered his assets were a little over $20,000. That's a bit weird. I wonder how much I'm worth...

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Flesh420 said:

pauper thats a little uncalled for. I may be allot of things but im not an idiot or poor.

And I suspect you're not sitting in Congress either. To clarify my previous remark, politics is a great spectator sport that everyone can comment and pass judgement on. However, if you aspire to participate in politics at the higher levels - you need lots of money (or good fund-raising skills), natural charm, a killer instinct, few scruples (the fewer the better) and the ability to studiously ignore your more vocal critics. While your typical forum troll displays some of those qualities they're usually short of money.

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Flesh420 said:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29235.html

Its a big club and your not in it. Feels great to be the lower class slaves, doesn't it? Just think these are the fuck heads who are shoving the big red, white and blue flag up your ass every day. They are also the swine who are telling you to take the H1N1 Vacc.

Ten years ago, the Argentinian politics magazine "Veintitrés" ("23th"), then called "Veintiuno" ("21st") headed by a famous hard hitting journalist called Jorge Lanata conducted a series of weekly IQ tests to prominent figures in the country's politics. After a year or so passed, they realized we were not dealing with imbeciles. Every politician scored between 149 and 120.

Many of them may be misguided, morally reprehensible or even corrupt, but they're far from being idiots. It is no small feat getting to be in Congress, and statistically speaking it's easier to be a millionaire.

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Aliotroph? said:
At least they were willing to get rid of the formal requirement that you be rich.

Well... looking at the facts, it's more like they complied after being decapitated.

GreyGhost said:
While your typical forum troll displays some of those qualities they're usually short of money.

You can get into politics without money if you have the character. You could also argue that the accumulation of private money through politics is mainly based on distrust. The distrust of others and one's own capabilities in politics. If you can manage to retain a high level of respect and backing from the public and other politicians, do you really need to become rich, personally?

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GreyGhost said:

And I suspect you're not sitting in Congress either. To clarify my previous remark, politics is a great spectator sport that everyone can comment and pass judgement on. However, if you aspire to participate in politics at the higher levels - you need lots of money (or good fund-raising skills), natural charm, a killer instinct, few scruples (the fewer the better) and the ability to studiously ignore your more vocal critics. While your typical forum troll displays some of those qualities they're usually short of money.


I was not talking about participating, I was saying that these men, the so called "smart" men are the ones calling the shots. The ones that can make things happen and not happen. It does not matter whether or not WE "the people" are in congress, it IS our obligation to watch what these people are doing and not doing.

I was not trying to bring up a discussion about getting into politics, instead I wanted too see what people thought, after I posted my opinion. Seems you took offense or something and wanted too look smart.
Yes that may be true with VACCS, but I do not trust anything that a "corporation" shoves down my throat.
Where is Andrew Jackson when you need him ehhh? lol
Moment of silence for George Carlin.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Cz4vcQKWfA

A troll, lol.

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Playing the devil's advocate here; yes while lots of those in congress are millionaires, do you really want someone doesn't know how to manage money in that sort of position? Would you feel more comfortable with someone on welfare, for example, in that job?

Now a different story altogether is, how did they become millionaires? Did they do it from lobbyists, or did they actually work to get that cash? Or almost worse than being fed by lobbyists, are they just old money?

I don't feel particularly uncomfortable with rich people in office, but to sum it up, I'd be a lot more comfortable if they were self made.

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Shaikoten said:

Playing the devil's advocate here; yes while lots of those in congress are millionaires, do you really want someone doesn't know how to manage money in that sort of position? Would you feel more comfortable with someone on welfare, for example, in that job?

Now a different story altogether is, how did they become millionaires? Did they do it from lobbyists, or did they actually work to get that cash? Or almost worse than being fed by lobbyists, are they just old money?

I don't feel particularly uncomfortable with rich people in office, but to sum it up, I'd be a lot more comfortable if they were self made.


Agreed.

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Flesh420 said:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29235.html

Its a big club and your not in it. Feels great to be the lower class slaves, doesn't it? Just think these are the fuck heads who are shoving the big red, white and blue flag up your ass every day. They are also the swine who are telling you to take the H1N1 Vacc.

Hate to say this, but DUHHH! :)

Neither side cares about the people, only their lobbiests.

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The most intelligent people are the ones with lots of money. Clearly they had to do something to get all that loose change in the first place (people like Paris Hilton notwithstanding.)I have no problem with intelligent people running their country.

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Patrick said:

The most intelligent people are the ones with lots of money. Clearly they had to do something to get all that loose change in the first place (people like Paris Hilton notwithstanding.)I have no problem with intelligent people running their country.


Uh. Yeah. I really couldn't agree with that.

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Khorus said:

Uh. Yeah. I really couldn't agree with that.


Why not? Look at Donald Trump. The dude was nearly bankrupt in the early 1990s, and now he owns half of New York. You want someone who knows his shit? He is the perfect example.

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It's the first two sentences that I don't agree with (should have been clearer on that). Not every rich person is intelligent, and not every poor person is an idiot. Some people, such as myself, place very little value in wealth.

Not so familiar with Donald Trump myself other than hearing the name before sorry, being Australian.

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Increasingly, in the UK, we are getting more and more people in politics because they want to be politicians. ie, being a politician is an end in itself and their driving goal is consistent with being successful in the career of politician. They are, less and less often, passionate people who have a belief and who go into politics because they want to make a difference. Nowadays, they don't want to make a difference, they just want to be a politician and make a career.

It's just one of the symptoms of dull, bland, boring, insipid, no-risk-taking centric Britain.

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They're millionaires because you have to be one to get elected. Campaigns for senate and house seats are some of the most bitter and protracted ones that exist. Whoever can afford the bigger, better-made smear ads is the one who wins, more often than not.

Oklahoma's global-warming-denier, vehement homophobe, and eternal incumbent senator Inhofe will never be defeated because he has too much money to run the kind of ads that the morons around here suck right up. In this state all you really need to win an election is to accuse the other guy of being possibly for abortion, gays, or socialism in a convincing manner. He's a big shill for the oil industry, amongst other things.

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This is true, Wealth and intelligence don't always go hand in hand, but It does take a reasonably intelligent person to make a lot of money (again, old money, family money and hollywood celebrities notwithstanding)

You can't honestly believe that in any other system, intelligent folks aren't running things.

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google tells me it's 'lobbyists' (not 'lobbiests' which would mean something like those who have the most lobby traits: "he was the lobbiest of them all."

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Wealth != intellect, but eventually that will become the case.

Enjay said:

They are, less and less often, passionate people who have a belief and who go into politics because they want to make a difference.


And those who do want to make a difference end up in minority parties, because they don't have the right traits desired by political elites for being in government.

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The Ultimate DooMer said:

Wealth != intellect, but eventually that will become the case.



And those who do want to make a difference end up in minority parties, because they don't have the right traits desired by political elites for being in government.


I don't really agree with that. If anyone in our gov really wanted to make a change then, we would quit spending spending spending, and get a foot hold on our debt. Enslavement through debt. A little off topic sorry. Our gov is "supposed" to be a republic not a democracy, yet we are taught it is a democracy and somehow our greed is supposed to be a good thing. We are a by product of a life style obsession.

Just my opinion.

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The problem of wealth and intellect is that wealth facilitates it. If you're poor, you'll have issues obtaining the best education. If you're not so poor that it actually degrades your mental powers due to the lack of nutrients, of course.

Flesh420 said:
Our gov is "supposed" to be a republic not a democracy, yet we are taught it is a democracy and somehow our greed is supposed to be a good thing.

It's both. A republic is a form of government lead by a president, among western representative democracies, as opposed to a parliamentary system, for example. It can also be non-democratic, such as in a republic that is also a dictatorship.

The usual argument on whether it is one or the other is based on right-wing rhetoric that tries to downplay or discourage democratic action by attempting to "prove" that it is not "a democracy". They tend to argue for something managed more by business and capital than by public deliberation. To this, disillusioned people of different political spectra add to the "this or that" bullshit by reiterating it's "not a democracy" because they note it often doesn't live up to democratic ideals and principles.

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Hellbent said:

google tells me it's 'lobbyists' (not 'lobbiests' which would mean something like those who have the most lobby traits: "he was the lobbiest of them all."


It's ReoL screwing up spelling again, like spelling liberals 4 different ways in a post. ;)

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