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North Korea shells South in fiercest attack in decades

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When the Soviet Union set up missle bases in Cuba, the United States said; "Step back or else!" and loaded planes with troops and equipment to ready for an attack. The Soviet Union withdrew as they didn't want to start a war. This was inspite of the fact that the United States had already set up military bases close to the Soviet Union!

Now, when North Korea says; "Step back or else!", what does the United States do?

When China says; "Step back or else!", what does the United States do?

"Starting on Sunday, the George Washington, which makes its home port in Yokosuka, Japan, and sails with a complete wing of combat aircraft, will lead four other American surface warships in the exercise with the South Korean Navy."

Just keep it straight on who the aggressor is.

No. These aren't "toys" that we're talking about here and there's high tension in some 'war rooms' right now.

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China is also in a disposition to dump all their US treasury bonds. They're trying to get as much leverage as possible. Hyper inflation followed by all out war, "Celebrate good times c'mon!"

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China wouldn't piss of it's biggest costumer. That'd be like if Walmart stopped carrying beer and Nascar paraphernalia.

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China and Russia have already made agreements to dump the US dollar for bilateral trade. The US has a dependency upon cheap Chinese goods. I guess the US will just take their hyper inflated toilet paper elsewhere. Oh wait, they can't. China don't give a fuck if Walmart shelves are empty in the United States. Get your head around that.

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Who's spreading lies?

South Korea news - first page
While much of the town was undamaged, the attack seemed aimed at important civilian structures like a supermarket and a post office, the reports said.

The Article- second page
Many of the rounds shot by the North during the hourlong attack struck Yeonpyeong’s garrison of 1,000 South Korean marines, who are dug in around the island in concrete bunkers and machine-gun nests.


Also, why do every news report feel the need to emphazie that children are suffering. No, it is still not triggering an emotional reaction from me.

Finally

The United States, which had already sent the George Washington to the region in response to the North Korean attack,


Not the whole truth. USS George Washington was sent to the region to participate in a planned exercise together with South Korea, which is mentioned above in the article, THEN this shit happend.


More misinformation. Yay for misinformation.

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POTGIESSER said:

Get your head around that.


I'm sorry, you seem to have missed that I was making a joke, as this situation doesn't concern me in the least. Pardon!

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Nameless said:

Not the whole truth. USS George Washington was sent to the region to participate in a planned exercise together with South Korea, which is mentioned above in the article, THEN this shit happend.


More misinformation. Yay for misinformation.

So basically we're all okay and it has nothing to do with the increasing tension?

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The United States, which had already sent the George Washington to the region in response to the North Korean attack,


When I first read this, my mind's first response was "Isn't he dead?"

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printz said:

So basically we're all okay and it has nothing to do with the increasing tension?

No need to snotty.
It might had nothing to do with what is happening now. However, It does now but I am not sure because the article does not state when the aircraft carrier was sent to the region, which would be important in this discussion.

You are making a classical human logical mistake: Failing to correctly handling and interpetating information from several planes at the same time. Just setting for the simple 1+1=2. I see so much of this.

One sequence of occurence does not mean that they, the occurrence, are linked togheter. However, they might be linked together by occurrence.
And I need to find a synonym for "occurrence". Isn't that an... incident?

Get it? Read it a few times.

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I'd heard a couple of days ago the naval exercises were being moved to the Sea of Japan, though that might be nothing more than wishful thinking.

Mr. Freeze said:

AFAIK, only "in b4 post hell" was a bannable phrase.

IIRC - the penalty's a week in the Losers forum.

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chopkinsca said:

We are all going to die! :(


Nonono...Hillary has been on the phone with China! She'll fix it!

...oh gawd...we're all going to die.

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I just read on the CNN website that the US and South Korea have begun the military exercises. Personally, with everything going on, I don't think the North is just gonna let this go.

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And officially NK says...

US-S. Korean Warmongers Contemplate More War Maneuvers

Pyongyang, November 26 (KCNA) -- The U.S. imperialists and south Korean puppet war-like forces announced a plan to stage combined exercises in the West Sea of Korea from Nov. 28 to Dec. 1, according to south Korean Yonhap News.

To be involved in this saber-rattling are USS George Washington and various type warships such as cruisers, destroyers, patrol boats and escort warships and antisubmarine aircraft as well as huge aggression forces of the U.S. and south Korea.

The Command of the U.S. Forces in south Korea announced that the combined war maneuvers were aimed to demonstrate the "alliance" with south Korea.

The situation on the Korean Peninsula is inching closer to the brink of war due to the reckless plan of those trigger-happy elements to stage again the war exercises targeted against the DPRK in wake of the grave military provocation they perpetrated against the territorial waters of the DPRK side in the West Sea of Korea while staging the Hoguk war maneuvers for aggression against the DPRK.


My reaction? Meh. They say this a lot. The amusing part is how their news always sounds exactly like the communist radio broadcast from Fallout 3.

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Aliotroph? said:

The amusing part is how their news always sounds exactly like the communist radio broadcast from Fallout 3.


Perhaps because the communist radio broadcast from Fallout 3 was modeled after real communist radio broadcasts.

And because, given that they DON'T think that the US are the next best thing since sliced bread, they perceive them just as any hostile enemy threat.

Sure, they threw in some of the well-known "wooden language" used by communist parties all over the world, but that just goes to show how Communism actually proposes itself as an all-encompassing ideology, rather than the absence of one ( try as you might, you won't find an "unified theory of Western-Capitalistic societal organization" anywhere).

Oh well, there's always Albania...

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What I find most hilarious about this thread is how the typical US-American Conservative misinterprets such news so suit his own ideology (Really, where's the difference between them and the NK stone age communists?) If you did some actual investigation you'd know that China could never-EVER openly criticise the North Korean government - because that'd be the end of it which is against China's interests. I think what the Chinese statements said was as disapproving as they'll ever get unless they have agreed to get rid of North Korea.

Of course a Korean war would be even more against Chinas interest so you can bet that behind closed doors some very harsh words were or will be spoken.

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bytor said:
When the Soviet Union set up missle bases in Cuba, the United States said; "Step back or else!" and loaded planes with troops and equipment to ready for an attack. The Soviet Union withdrew as they didn't want to start a war. This was inspite of the fact that the United States had already set up military bases close to the Soviet Union!

Russia removed their stuff from Cuba in exchange for some US missiles in Europe and Turkey that were aimed at the USSR.

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myk said:

Russia removed their stuff from Cuba in exchange for some US missiles in Europe and Turkey that were aimed at the USSR.


Which was kind of pointless, given that they had several more and that the US never stopped expanding and building new bases all around (which is also what still concerns Russia and China ATM).

OT, an eventual military defeat or otherwise political change in NK which would lead to a US-friendly unification, would be bad news for China, who would lose their "buffer zone" between the closest US border (and, like it or not, SK is de-facto just another wannabe 51st state).

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Too bad that Deeforce is losered. His warlike pro-American posts would have been entertaining on this topic.

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I'm sure he tried to join the army and received a REJECTED F-4 rating while doing so.

P.S. on a second thought, I would really like the draft to still exist in the USA just for people like him. So they would drag some Joe P. Random and tell him "There are the bad terrorists/towelheads/AZN Commies, Joe! Go get'em, Joe! Go get gangrene and malaria in some fuckin' Jungle for Freedom and Democracy, Joe!

And all of that WITHOUT the ridiculous benefits they give to professional enlisted personnel...just like in the Good Old Days.... betcha there would be more draft dodgers than in the Vietnam days? ;-)

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Maes said:

I'm sure he tried to join the army and received a REJECTED F-4 rating while doing so.

P.S. on a second thought, I would really like the draft to still exist in the USA just for people like him.


AFAIK he's German, not American. At least some time ago he sent me a PM in German that was even more retarded than his usual posts here. But yeah, if someone deserved it he'd be it.

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It sounds like China is just telling us to back off before it pisses off its little buddy North Korea. Sounds like nothing has changed too much, but yeah, our economy may be at risk, as well as possibly another War to add on top of the war in Afghanistan and the issues in Mexico. (This coming from soldiers in the Army and Navy personnel, personal friends of mine too, apparently we should be worried about the drug cartels in Mexico on the border. I don't know if this is too much of a deal and whether or not we end up fighting there too, but they were concerned about this no doubt.)

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If it turns to war, as a fighting age male without a rich daddy, I will probably be either conscripted or (likely) volunteer to go and fight in support of Korea.

The DPRK tortures and starves it's own people. As much as a I have no love for our western economic and political systems, at least we have a modicum of "freedom" to eat junk food and watch porn on the internet.

Now that's something worth fighting for.

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Mr. T said:

If it turns to war, as a fighting age male without a rich daddy, I will probably be either conscripted or (likely) volunteer to go and fight in support of Korea.


By the Vietnam war age, conscription services all around the world realized that these sort of ideals just didn't fly anymore. WW II may have been based purely on conscription, by both defendants and aggressors/invaders/counter-attackers alike, but this model just fell apart in Vietnam: the new generation just couldn't relate to these very "ideals" you mentioned, at least not enough to go fight some "Charlie" in a far away land. The latest generation of iPod-wearin', CS playin' couch potatoes will be even more distanced.

At least for the US, that's the point where they turned to a 100% professional army (at least for their NATO-operative branches), which can be sent anywhere and fight anyone without complaining or questioning, since they're actually paid to do it. Sense of duty/obligation comes second.

Other Western countries followed suit, and if you REALLY wish to fight against the new Charlie or the "terrorists" or become a jailor at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo you'll need to enlist as a professional or become a merc, as no western nation sends conscripts on this sort of missions anymore (and for a good reason).

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Maes said:

The latest generation of iPod-wearin', CS playin' couch potatoes will be even more distanced.

At least for the US, that's the point where they turned to a 100% professional army


I don't really think sheer lazyness is the sole reason for why most westerners don't want to join the army anymore. Sure, not a lot of people may have enlisted them self's into the army to fight in Vietnam and now Iraq and Afghanistan, but then again these are really unpopular wars that a lot of people feel should never have started. It isn't like WW 2 were there was an almost obvious good side and a bad side with almost every nation involved having a really good reason for wanting to win the war.

If the actual freedom of the west were to be threatened in a obvious way I fail to see why people would not enlist or support conscriptions to protect their homeland.

Also, not every Western country hates conscriptions. I believe Denmark still has service by requirment.

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