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AveryMaurice

Microsoft rips me off yet again.

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Graf Zahl said:

Strangely enough I am still running the 3.5 year old original installation of Vista on my computer which has never given me even the slightest problem.

Why must you turn this forum into a house of lies?

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Technician said:

Why must you turn this forum into a house of lies?

As much as I hate to defend a Microsoft product, its true. The reputation Vista has gotten as an unstable operating system is very inaccurate to the average user.

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XP>Seven>Vista

Unfortunately Microsoft is a greedy company and limits DX10/11 to Vista and 7, which is the only reason I haven't totally switched.

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AveryMaurice said:

As much as I hate to defend a Microsoft product, its true. The reputation Vista has gotten as an unstable operating system is very inaccurate to the average user.


I have to agree with this as well. I've had Vista since May, 2008, and I haven't had any problems with it. I've had problems with my computer, but they weren't related to Vista.

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AveryMaurice said:

As much as I hate to defend a Microsoft product, its true. The reputation Vista has gotten as an unstable operating system is very inaccurate to the average user.

Comment retracted.

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Clonehunter said:

Viruses or not XP I say is th better system. Best for gaming too. Vista (And the unrelated Mac) are gaming nightmares, especially to modding communities (I couldn't change text files in Carnivores 2 on Vista, as it wouldn't allow changes made to the games files. And mac doesn't really let you mod at all). I will be using XP far into the future. The only reason I'm using Vista now is because all my other computers are broken or in use.)


Congrats on not learning how to use your computer. Modding games of any sort is fine on Vista. Installing the game in a different folder (preferably under Users), disabling UAC or changing the permissions on the folder would have worked.

The real problem that bit Vista was it had far too many release and compatibility issues for months. Drivers that were certified to work on Vista often didn't. ATI, Creative, Roxio, Sigmatel, Dell, etc. all had system-crippling driver issues in some cases. Most companies got theirs fixed quickly. D-Link didn't. Their new wi-fi cards often didn't work on Vista in August 2007. HP's solution was to tell people to buy new printers since they didn't want to write a replacement for the fax software MS took out of the home versions.

Then there was the pile of applications that didn't work: McAfee, Norton, Quicken (that was the nastiest because Vista came out just before tax season and Quicken 2007 didn't work 100%).

Vista works pretty well now. So does 7, which is mostly Vista in a prettier wrapper and some tweaks. Regular joe-sixpack users were screwed though. There were enough problems for more than a year that everyone got turned off. The release was badly managed and companies were ill-prepared.

As for viruses, lots of the XP rogue antivirus things worked partially on Vista with hilarious results. Rather than just take over Explorer to serve fake security center prompts, they tended to cause Explorer to crash in a loop. It took as long for the hackers to propagate a fix for that as it did for ATI to start writing drivers that didn't cause BSODs on my comp. :D

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AveryMaurice said:

The lack of UAC is one of the things that makes Windows XP more attractive to me.


But that can be very easily disabled.

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AveryMaurice said:

The lack of UAC is one of the things that makes Windows XP more attractive to me.

Huh, so that explains why I can't get episode one to launch.

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Kind of amusing seeing this thread pop up, as Microsoft just charged me $60 for a renewed XBOX Live subscription even though I already jumped through hoops to turn off automatic renewal on my account. Ended up having to spend 30 minutes on the phone to get them to give me my money back and switch automatic renewal off fo' realzies.

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I ended up cancelling my credit card. Realize not everyone can do that, but made sure they stopped charging me for it.

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Whoo said:

XP>Seven>Vista

Unfortunately Microsoft is a greedy company and limits DX10/11 to Vista and 7, which is the only reason I haven't totally switched.



XP is old by now and sure will become obsolete sooner or later.

I find this FUD against Vista that seems to run rampant in certain circles ridiculous.

The only thing about Vista that deserves all the criticism it got is UAC but anyone not disabling that abomination can't really be helped.

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Graf Zahl said:

XP is old by now and sure will become obsolete sooner or later.

I find this FUD against Vista that seems to run rampant in certain circles ridiculous.

The only thing about Vista that deserves all the criticism it got is UAC but anyone not disabling that abomination can't really be helped.


Because the UAC makes life difficult for all of humanity right? ;]

I had a mixture of UAC and Asus' preinstalled shit acting as a second UAC Absolute nightmare of ARE YOU SURE's that made me seriously regret upgrading from an ancient Win98 desktop

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Graf Zahl said:

XP is old by now and sure will become obsolete sooner or later.


Not when the vast majority of businesses still use XP in their computers.

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The only problem I've had with vista, and it is probably related to a shady DVD ripping program that I installed (which was the only one I could find that could circumvent the DRM on The Dark Knight), but all of my "Programs" menu options disappeared some time after I got rid of it. I could probably just start a new profile, but I use objectdock anyway so it's not that big of a deal.

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I really can't find a reason to use XP any more. For modern hardware, Win7 is the obvious choice. For older setups: Win2000 does 99% of what XP does, and with half the resources. On the off chance I need modern capability with lightweight requirements, I use an appropriate Linux distro.

Just let XP die already. It has no place in the world.

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AndrewB said:

The "don't know what you're doing" comment came from you saying you still use unsafe browsing habits.

The only time I ever got a virus on XP was when I took a chance on installing a program downloaded through Limewire.

I never said I used unsafe browsing habits, I said my browsing habits haven't gotten safer since then. I'm not some moron going to porn sites and torrenting and wondering why I have to reformat every three months. I'm saying my browsing habits are more or less the same, and that I'm dealing with less viruses on the newer windows OS's than I ever got under XP.

@ Use3D Oh yeah, I'm sure you've gotten less than 7 viruses in 16 years, right. Going to tell me your dad works at microsoft next? Nice of you to once again apparently ignore more than 90% of my post so you can act all "superior". I gave examples of a vast multitude of XP running PCs that worked horribly in terms of stability and virus protection, and you try to make it look like I only think XP sucks because the HS computers had those symptoms through horribly misinterpreting what little of my post you apparently actually read, probably intentionally.

Whoo said:

XP>Seven>Vista

Unfortunately Microsoft is a greedy company and limits DX10/11 to Vista and 7, which is the only reason I haven't totally switched.

Why exactly do you expect Microsoft to add driver support for DX10/11 to an OS that's nearly a decade old? Would you have expected them to have support for DirectX 8.1 on the windows 95 OS? We're talking essentially the same difference of time in terms of new DX version compatibility cut-off for this.

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Xeros612 said:

tl;dr


Whether or not you get a virus is influenced more by your anti-virus software than whether you have XP or Windows 7. Duh


Let XP die, get a Mac if you hate Win7 that much. Hehehe

Ragnor said:

Asus' preinstalled shit


FORMAT PLZ, that's the first thing you should do when you get a new computer :-)

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Xeros612 said:

I'm not some moron going to porn sites and torrenting and wondering why I have to reformat every three months.


But you are the sort who doesn't know how to browse porn sites and torrent without getting viruses? :p

UAC is not nearly as frustrating as people make it out to be. Keep your data out of the Windows and Program Files folders and it doesn't whine much. It doesn't like some older programs though, so I tend to keep a few of those out of program files too. Windows 7 also seems to have made UAC less annoying. I no longer get three prompts in a row for doing the same copy operation to a folder it protects.

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Xeros612 said:

Why exactly do you expect Microsoft to add driver support for DX10/11 to an OS that's nearly a decade old?


I'm not. Where did I ever say that in my post?

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If there's one thing I liked about UAC, it's that it was able to make a few of my older Win 3.1/95 software (that makes assumptions that the user has full control of the computer) work on limited accounts (especially those on computers I don't own or control). My main machine runs Windows XP and it's undoubtfully a decent OS for my purposes, but since things are moving forward, and support will probably be canned by some companies eventually, I am going to upgrade to 7 once I stop being a cheap lazy ass.

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Whoo said:

I'm not. Where did I ever say that in my post?

You implied it when you were complaining about microsoft being "greedy" and having DX10/11 as Vista/7 exclusive.

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Xeros612 said:

I'm not some moron going to porn sites and torrenting and wondering why I have to reformat every three months.

Hey, that's what I've been doing for the last 8 years and I had 1 Kazaa related virus on Win98 (2003-2009) and none on XP (2009-now). I've never had to reinstall XP and IIRC Win98 saw 2 or 3 reinstalls in that time.

ur doin it rong

I'm using 7 at work (though most of my work is done in VirtualBoxed Ubuntu) and after making it look and feel like XP it's actually quite usable (with Classic Start Menu and stuff like that).
I might end up dual-booting XP/7, maybe add some Linux to that for good measure.

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I use windows vista and am having no qualms with it. It took some adjusting to get used to how different it was from XP but I don't find it very unstable at all. But then again I don't use my PC for anything but web browsing and doom so what do i know.

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I like UAC. MS finally got their shit together and started doing something to rectify the mess they created by letting users work under administrator account all the time (and thus allowing application developers to act like pigs), which is great.

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The problem with UAC under Vista is that it's too paranoid with certain operations. The most useful feature can become an annoyance if done even slightly wrong - and that's precisely what happened here.

From what I heard it should be better in 7 but so far I haven't used a system yet where it's installed.

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Windows 7 may be great but it will not run Dungeon Keeper at all and that has to count as a strike against it ;)

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Belial said:

I might end up dual-booting XP/7,


This is a slightly off topic question, but why would you dual boot windows XP/7 when windows 7 has a Virtual PC option that basically runs Windows XP for you?

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Quasar said:

Windows 7 may be great but it will not run Dungeon Keeper at all and that has to count as a strike against it ;)


I can barely get it to run in XP!

Which is a shame, as I have about 6/7 icons all DK related ;]

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flubbernugget said:

This is a slightly off topic question, but why would you dual boot windows XP/7 when windows 7 has a Virtual PC option that basically runs Windows XP for you?

The software currently binding me to XP, in which I've invested thousands of dollars, uses kernel-level processing to keep latency to an absolute minimum (<2ms). I would be VERY surprised if this wouldn't be a complete disaster inside some kind of emulator. The software has been discontinued and is not available for Windows 7.

If not for this software, I would definitely be open to using Windows 7, but the problem remains that I still have no motivation to update.

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