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I just realized that in my SID demo I had 2-rocket arachnotron kill... three times in a row!! And there is no splash damage involved, they are far away from each other.

-trace_thingshealth 140 141 143 -trace_givendamage 0 -skipsec 150

 

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is it possible to kill with 3SSG an archvile? if im right I got it, but its like after 28min of run... too lazy to check and forgot how to skip to a certain frame... can someone remember me?

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Btw, it is 14 frames faster to shoot the 2nd bullet out of the chaingun then switch to ssg and shoot twice instead of shooting 3 times with the ssg, for example:
prefire with the chaingun, only 2nd bullet has the time to barely hit an arachnotron for 15 damage, *switch to ssg* then 245 and 245 dmg = 505 damage = arachnotron dead.

 

The calculation was made so that the 2nd bullet comes out of the chaingun the same frame as the first ssg shot.

 

And of course each chaingun bullet costs 4 frames time, so you could potentially do it like this:

Chaingun for: 10+10+10+10 = 40 damage, switch to ssg for 230+230 = 500 dmg and it's still 2 frames faster than just using the ssg :-D

 

Could be useful in a TAS or maybe in very rare cases for non-tas.

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@Looper I can tell you from my tiny UV-Max TAS experience that getting 230 damage from a single SSG shot is already a big luck, let alone 2 quick shots. I'll never use that tactic because I'm pretty sure my manual brute-forcing wouldn't give me anything. 3 SSG shots is still more practical

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6 hours ago, Dimon12321 said:

@Looper I can tell you from my tiny UV-Max TAS experience that getting 230 damage from a single SSG shot is already a big luck, let alone 2 quick shots.

Depends on what one sees as big luck. I don't personally think so.

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10 hours ago, blob1024 said:

is it possible to kill with 3SSG an archvile? if im right I got it, but its like after 28min of run... too lazy to check and forgot how to skip to a certain frame... can someone remember me?

i'm not sure if it happened. because I totally (?) miss one shot and then it dies in 3 SSG. or at least it seems so.

around minute 25:10~

ps:delete in case its not the rare kills hoped :) run is a playthrough, I've already improved largely the time in the map.

 

akeldama map30

ak30-av2510.zip

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1 hour ago, blob1024 said:

i'm not sure if it happened. because I totally (?) miss one shot and then it dies in 3 SSG. or at least it seems so.

around minute 25:10~

ps:delete in case its not the rare kills hoped :) run is a playthrough, I've already improved largely the time in the map.

 

akeldama map30

ak30-av2510.zip

I've watched the relevant part of the demo with -trace_thingshealth 579 and it checks out, first shot all the pellets miss and then the following shots deal 220/245/240 damage.

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basically the SSG itself went nuts for the shit aim I had first time and fixed the math. AV = 4 blast FFS!

 

thanks :)

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hello! dear experts, is 3 rocket-kill unusual for an arch vile or rather common? (alas, was I always unlucky in my dooming so far)

 

ps: can't this thread be sticked?

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While running Plutonia map 25 I encountered this really sturdy baron, who took 7 rockets to the face and still survived (SSG to finish him off)

 

Interestingly, one of the rockets, the third one, only dealt 20 damage, which I assume means it was a minimum roll with no splash damage dealt. Not the first time something like this is mentioned in this thread but I believe this was very rare.

 

Happens about 30 seconds into the demo

 

 

pl25-sponge.zip

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2 hours ago, Dimon12321 said:

@blob1024, pretty usual. Sometimes 1, 2 or even 3 rockets in a row deal low direct damage (20, 40 or 60) which results in such unlucky kills. 

thanks a lot!

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7 hours ago, NightTerror said:

While running Plutonia map 25 I encountered this really sturdy baron, who took 7 rockets to the face and still survived (SSG to finish him off)

 

Interestingly, one of the rockets, the third one, only dealt 20 damage, which I assume means it was a minimum roll with no splash damage dealt. Not the first time something like this is mentioned in this thread but I believe this was very rare.

 

Happens about 30 seconds into the demo

 

 

pl25-sponge.zip

Interesting, I thought a direct hit was always supposed to deal the full blast damage. Any idea why it doesn't on the third rocket? The only thing that seems suspicious to me is that the baron's right on the edge of the stairs when the rocket hits, but I'm not sure if that would affect the line of sight check.

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12 hours ago, blob1024 said:

ps: can't this thread be sticked?

Haha no, I think there was an agreement recently that we have too many sticky threads... However, there is no 100% agreement about what to remove /unsticky, so there's a status quo

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2 hours ago, Shepardus said:

Interesting, I thought a direct hit was always supposed to deal the full blast damage. Any idea why it doesn't on the third rocket? The only thing that seems suspicious to me is that the baron's right on the edge of the stairs when the rocket hits, but I'm not sure if that would affect the line of sight check.

It's related to the blockmap afaik. It's possible to one rocket revs too for similar reasons.

 

https://clips.twitch.tv/TiredTriumphantCatRiPepperonis

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The blast damage is applied twice due to geometrical anomaly with blockmap. Or something. I actually got it to happen in current sl04 max.

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