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Final DOOM demos [-complevel 4]

By VinceDSS, in Speed Demo Submissions

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Kinetic   

Kinetic
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Plutonia Map01 UV-Max in 1:49.71

 

pl01m149.zip

 

Lot of stuff has to fall for this run to happen, I still figure something like 1:47 is possible non-TAS if everything goes perfect and the player doesn't mess up. Route difference from Zeromaster's run is not grabbing the backpack and megaarmor near the start, saves a second or so, realized I could do this since Zero misses a rocket or two in his run. Aside from this, I think I do the RL area a bit cleaner and get the double chaingunner cubby by the entrance to the SSG room in just one SSG. At the start, I also don't shoot the shotgunner by the first window while in the third window like Zero, I take him out as I'm exiting the starting area, seems a bit more consistent and less yolo-ish, although still rng, sometimes auto aim or the shotgunner doesn't cooperate. Lot of enemies in this map can fail to cooperate.

 

Other things, also need well placed shots in the SSG room, the 2 chaingunners and imp on the lift must go down in 4 SG shots, 3 SG shots is really nice as it allows the 2nd imp in the room to be sniped before riding the lift, allowing a quick swap on the SSG, saving a half second or smthing I think, but did not happen in this demo. Archvile could also be killed faster if you give 3 SSG + running into the vile to hurt it with it's own blast damage. Another optimization that could be made is the RL area, only was able to get this a couple times in 1176 attempts, but can kill the 4 revs in 7 SSG if you line things up well, but it's difficult because of the map geometry and the revs' annoying pathing around it sometimes.

 

Also really helpful having the 2 chaingunners at the indoor hub area be sitting there instead of walking around in the final room, allowed me to easily SSG them as I was running to the RSK area, extremely helpful for the ending as you do not want to waste a rocket on them in the end or swap to SSG to shoot them, absorbs more time when they are still alive at the end. The rev that gets telefragged in the RSK area can sometimes walk backwards instead of forward, kinda annoying, I found near the end of my attempts that the rev is more likely to come forward if you stick to the left side of the first catwalk? Not sure really.

 

Perched vile + chaingunner was mostly cooperative this time, probably could've gone down in 1 or 2 less rockets if they were perfect, but they were pretty decent in this demo honestly. Rockets did good work in the BSK area mostly, could not get the chaingunner infight like Zero did but seems like a rare occurrence honestly, did not try for it in attempts.

 

At the end, I can just run into the final area with RL equipped cuz the 2 chaingunners from earlier are dead, can pop the chaingunners in this room with 2 rockets, that worked out really well, all my rockets on the mancs landed, and then SSGd them and exited.

 

Edit: Just read Zero's txt for the 1:51, pretty insane it only took 37 attempts, certainly lucky as he said, especially given the not so great start in his run, but that's why we finish out attempts in a lot of max runs because you never know what could happen, usually ample ways to recover time. I definitely agree some decent luck was needed to improve the run by 2 seconds, I think the route change saves a second and then some refinements to the run + some decent luck gave the other second, but ofc the two work in tandem as with 1 less rocket you need your rockets to be a bit better on average, which is largely up to luck in this map.

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GarrettChan   

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6 hours ago, Kinetic said:

Plutonia Map01 UV-Max in 1:49.71

pl01m149.zip

Well, I was being lazy and got sniped, 1:49 was my goal. You can get the SSG/CG at the same time and press 3 to switch to SSG, so you don't need to go into the Chaingunner's cubby to get the CG, although if you can't kill them both in one shot then it's kinda pointless.

 

The MegaArmor doesn't lose you time if you are able to let the AV kills itself + 3 SSG, though it's also luck, but I guess removing this luck factor is better if you can dodge enough things.

 

Guess perfect luck could be something like 1:47 etc., but getting beaten this quick after 5k attempts still made me really annoyed about this map :^)

 

6 hours ago, Kinetic said:

"I found near the end of my attempts that the rev is more likely to come forward if you stick to the left side of the first catwalk? Not sure really."

This, I think the left pillar blocks its view. The time I tried to practice, I feel the left side is pretty consistent, but not sure.

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Kinetic   

Kinetic
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TNT Map01 UV-Max in 0:43.89

 

ev01m043.zip

 

Just did this run after submitting the plutonia map01 uv-max, my eyes are super fatigued and hands are aching after like 12 straight hours of playing doom, about am evenly split of 6 hours between each Final Doom Map01 (although I had done about 3 hours of attempts on pl01m 5 days ago as well).

 

Same route as Vile with a tweak, I use a little bit of SR50/SL50 in the first couple of rooms. Mostly hoping for good infighting with all the monsters at the start, aim for the first couple of imps with berserk, hope they die in 1 punch, if they don't run die in 1, run past them. It's actually important which imps you go for at the start I guess, do not go for the one right around the corner in the 2-switch room, it slows you down slightly (learned this during attempts and adjusted accordingly), just go straight for the switches, punch the 2 imps and grab the megaarmor, hit the other imp in the room on the way out, and if you can punch the imp from the main room without losing speed go for it, or just run past him, just punch whatever is in your way and make sure you get to the secret door at 0:08.XX (the lower the better obviously). Hit the 3 imps with berserk, can afford 4 punches at most, but if you do 4 punches, you must hope your run has excellent infighting or you have great SG shots at the mob in the main room. In the demo, I kill the 3 imps in 3 punches, but I made a conscious decision to hit a SG shot through the window since it usually hits a bunch of stuff, and it took out a shit ton of enemies this time, and a 2nd SG going through the hall killed an additional 2 zombies, extremely meggie.

 

Next, time to wiggle past imp and pinky and zombie to hit the stairs-switch at 0:15.XX, which keeps the run on pace. Ideally, kill the imp and pinky in like 3 shots, take out the enemies up the stairs, kill the 2 imps outside, hopefully you hit this outside area at like 0.22.XX, then trigger the door to the outside to open again (you can 1-cycle the door if you're super fast here, but it's very precise movement I feel, not too feasible in this run I don't think, idk), and back inside. SG shot down the stairs, main the SG in the main area as you take out the chaingunners and rest of the enemies from earlier while grabbing the BC. In some circumstances, you can kill a chaingunner and use the chaingun a bit here and maintain pace, but SG usually more consistent for keeping pace here imo.

 

Ideally, 0:34.XX when you begin racing to the BC door, kill random junk in the way with chaingun, and main the CG to the end. Can hit the switch behind the BC door a bit earlier if you can slide past the imp while chaingunning it. Chaingun the shotgunners and then...

 

FUCK the right chaingunner at the end. Imma just copy the txt real quick cuz I already wrote this shit:

 

Spoiler

"Fuck that last chaingunner on the right at the exit, had like 6 or 7 attempts including this one where i'm on pace for 0:43, and motherfucker doesn't shoot at the imps, but had several attempts I was finishing out where I was missing a monster but on pace and he does shoot, the attempts that don't actually fucking count. This guy sucks"

 

Lastly, had a single attempt snag a 0:42, but it missed like a monster or two, and it was just one attempt out of 1599, so prolly need great luck for this.

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Kinetic   

Kinetic
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46 minutes ago, GarrettChan said:

Well, I was being lazy and got sniped, 1:49 was my goal. You can get the SSG/CG at the same time and press 3 to switch to SSG, so you don't need to go into the Chaingunner's cubby to get the CG, although if you can't kill them both in one shot then it's kinda pointless.

Hmm, I didn't remember ever picking up the chaingun from the dead chaingunner near the SSG, interesting idea. I think it's rare for the chaingun to drop close to the SSG, probably would have to maneuver into the little cubby to grab, might be tough to do without losing time, but i dunno

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GarrettChan   

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21 hours ago, Kinetic said:

Hmm, I didn't remember ever picking up the chaingun from the dead chaingunner near the SSG, interesting idea. I think it's rare for the chaingun to drop close to the SSG, probably would have to maneuver into the little cubby to grab, might be tough to do without losing time, but i dunno

You don't lose time because you have to wait for the switch anyway. ZM lost time from the first half because of this, but he gained like 7 secs in the later half, so I can't say anything.

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tatsurd-cacocaco   

tatsurd-cacocaco
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I have done episode movies on Final doom for the practice of D2ALL. 

It may not be worth watching, but all UV-Fast movies on IWADs eventually are done for them. 

I believe that it's worth doing them.

 

Plutonia Episode 1 UV-Fast in 43:14 pfe1-4314.zip

Plutonia Episode 2 UV-Fast in 55:57 pfe2-5557.zip

Plutonia Episode 3 UV-Fast in 60:24 pfe3-6024.zip

TNT Episode 1 UV-Fast in 54:47 efe1-5447.zip

TNT Episode 2 UV-Fast in 1:32:40 efe2-13240.zip

TNT Episode 3 UV-Fast in 1:16:43 efe3-11643.zip

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4shockblast   

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Just now, Andrea Rovenski said:

What exactly is -altdeath? Just spawns you in a DM spawn?

I believe so. I think it's based on RNG which one you get spawned to.

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Andrea Rovenski   

Andrea Rovenski
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2 minutes ago, 4shockblast said:

I believe so. I think it's based on RNG which one you get spawned to.

Never heard of this, so prepare for a bunch of mm1/2 -altdeath demos ;) 

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DeDo   

DeDo
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On 12/28/2022 at 3:13 PM, tatsurd-cacocaco said:

I have done episode movies on Final doom for the practice of D2ALL. 

It may not be worth watching, but all UV-Fast movies on IWADs eventually are done for them. 

I believe that it's worth doing them.

 

Plutonia Episode 1 UV-Fast in 43:14 pfe1-4314.zip

Plutonia Episode 2 UV-Fast in 55:57 pfe2-5557.zip

Plutonia Episode 3 UV-Fast in 60:24 pfe3-6024.zip

TNT Episode 1 UV-Fast in 54:47 efe1-5447.zip

TNT Episode 2 UV-Fast in 1:32:40 efe2-13240.zip

TNT Episode 3 UV-Fast in 1:16:43 efe3-11643.zip

Oh wow, have to watch these, always loved watching max and -fast max movies.

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