Things about Doom you just found out

[DynamiteKaitorn]

I recently found out Map 11 of TNT [ Storage Facility ] uses round about 90 different side-def textures... Jesus >_>

[Pegleg]

While looking at the Doom wiki entry on barrels, I found these tidbits:

• There are different numbers of barrels in Knee Deep in the Dead depending on the difficulty (UV and NM have 2 more than HMP, which has 2 more than ITYD and HNTR).
  • In case you're wondering, E1M3 and E1M6 are the maps that lead to the difference. (I haven't confirmed this, but why would someone make up numbers?)
• John Romero evidently liked barrels because there are over 200 in KDITD, but just over 30 in E2 and E3 combined.

[Grazza]

I suppose it is logical to put more barrels in E1 since you don't get much in the way of big weapons. In the later episodes you are more capable of blasting enemies out of the way by direct means, and accidental barrel explosions are more likely to be a hindrance to the player.

[Gez]

Also barrels thematically make more sense in UAC facilities than in Hell.

[elend]

The boundary zone of a candle is way bigger than that of a... tree. Just why? xD

 

[Scypek2]

15 hours ago, Pegleg said:

• • In case you're wondering, E1M3 and E1M6 are the maps that lead to the difference. (I haven't confirmed this, but why would someone make up numbers?) 

 

Just checked that. On E1M3 there are two barrels in the big room leading to secret exit that don't exist on HNTR and ITYTD. On E1M6 there are two extra barrels in the last room before exit that only exist on UV and above.

[Jimmy]

7 hours ago, elend said:

The boundary zone of a candle is way bigger than that of a... tree. Just why? xD

 

The tree is solid and needs a definite collision detection box, while the candle doesn't.

[Dragonsbrethren]

On 8/10/2018 at 8:59 AM, DynamiteKaitorn said:

I recently found out Map 11 of TNT [ Storage Facility ] uses round about 90 different side-def textures... Jesus >_>

Things like this really put into perspective how limited the console ports of Doom were. At the same time, did they really need to use that many unique textures?

 

Anyways, I've been tinkering with Doom 64 and just noticed that its switches are actually placed slightly in front of the wall they're assigned to. I guess they're a type of thing in this engine? I always assumed they were just a composite texture.

 

 

[seed]

What @Gez told me here.

 

Somehow, after all this time I completely forgot about that.

[komojo]

The Nintendo 64 didn't have a lot of texture memory, so they probably didn't have enough space for a composite switch texture. If you had two polygons overlapping on the same plane it would show z-fighting, so they could either split the wall into multiple sections or move the switch in front of the wall. Moving it in front of the wall uses fewer polygons, so that may have been why they did it that way.

 

[Major Arlene]

Half Life's engine is indirectly related to Doom's. When entertaining ideas for a new map I looked into Cry of Fear's texture file system, which incidentally uses a .wad file format to store textures. They can be viewed in Slade and converted into Doom format. 

[Aquila Chrysaetos]

17 minutes ago, Major Arlene said:

Half Life's engine is indirectly related to Doom's. When entertaining ideas for a new map I looked into Cry of Fear's texture file system, which incidentally uses a .wad file format to store textures. They can be viewed in Slade and converted into Doom format. 

GoldSrc is actually based on the Quake engine, which used .wads and .paks. It's possible to open the various .pak files, and find wads stored within using an editor like Wally and edit them directly.

I learned this during my (short-lived) time doing rudimentary HL1 modding.

[Deleted_Account]

45 minutes ago, Major Arlene said:

Half Life's engine is indirectly related to Doom's. When entertaining ideas for a new map I looked into Cry of Fear's texture file system, which incidentally uses a .wad file format to store textures. They can be viewed in Slade and converted into Doom format. 

Do you have any screenshots of your work? I'm intrigued.

[Major Arlene]

2 hours ago, Ex Oblivione said:

Do you have any screenshots of your work? I'm intrigued.

here's some extremely beta shots of what little bit I've got so far, as of now I'm just trying to figure out how to work with the textures, it's so odd seeing them outside of the game x3

[Deleted_Account]

12 minutes ago, Major Arlene said:

here's some extremely beta shots of what little bit I've got so far, as of now I'm just trying to figure out how to work with the textures, it's so odd seeing them outside of the game x3

That looks really good! It is surreal seeing them outside of their intended game, but it works. I look forward to what comes next.

 

Thanks for sharing!

[SiFi270]

I just found out from this comparison of source ports that GLBoom can display widescreen status bars. Now I can play Batman Doom with the hud from this collection properly.

[DMPhobos]

For some reason E1M3 shows up glitched on doom builder 
 

Spoiler

Wonder why

[Randy87]

1 hour ago, DMPhobos said:

For some reason E1M3 shows up glitched on doom builder 
 

  Reveal hidden contents

Wonder why

 

Southern line is unconnected.

[Dragonsbrethren]

Doom 64 Lost Souls are so aggressive that you can't really set up a practical trap room where they can see the player before being released. They'll just decimate each other. Even Pain Elementals often die to their spawned Souls.

[seed]

32 minutes ago, Dragonsbrethren said:

Doom 64 Lost Souls are so aggressive that you can't really set up a practical trap room where they can see the player before being released. They'll just decimate each other. Even Pain Elementals often die to their spawned Souls.

 

Lost Souls and especially PEs are more dangerous in D64 than in all the other games. If the Lost Souls can't spawn (not enough space for instance) they'll inflict massive amounts of damage to anything nearby, including the player. Even upon death their blast (or the Lost Souls it spawns but vanish immediately) inflict damage. I've managed to die a few times from their explosion in my last playthrough, which can damage or kill you even through thinner walls.

 

E: I actually decided to make a clip from a streaming session of mine to show how dangerous they are in this game, as I had managed to die a few times from their explosion. Shown below: A Pain Elemental killing me through a wall due to the damage inflicted by the Lost Souls that could not spawn, as the room containing the PEs is too tight:

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

Lost Souls on the other hand are more aggressive but much less tanky, which means they're much easier to kill, yet they're also a bigger threat than usual in larger numbers.

Edited August 13, 2018 by Agent6

[KVELLER]

15 minutes ago, Agent6 said:

 

Lost Souls and especially PEs are more dangerous in D64 than in all the other games. If the Lost Souls can't spawn (not enough space for instance) they'll inflict massive amounts of damage to anything nearby, including the player. Even upon death their blast (or the Lost Souls it spawns but vanish immediately) inflict damage. I've managed to die a few times from their explosion in my last playthrough, which can damage or kill you even through thinner walls.

 

Lost Souls are more aggressive but much less tanky, which means they're much easier to kill, yet they're also a bigger threat than usual in larger numbers.

 

Whoever thought that the "rebalancing" was a good idea can go to hell.

[seed]

15 minutes ago, KVELLER said:

Whoever thought that the "rebalancing" was a good idea can go to hell.

 

Nah, to be honest I actually like what they did with both of them in D64, at least in the levels they're featured in. I do imagine them being a real headache under other circumstances, more so than their classic counterpart, but they're alright most of the time. They're a big threat on In The Void as that (secret) level features plenty of PEs.

 

As I said they're surely dangerous but also easy to deal with if you're careful, especially the Lost Souls which are much weaker, and your weapons more devastating. Lost Souls really are more bearable in D64 from my POV. The PE itself is the one who's the problem in this game, as it can kill you in a matter of moments if it catches you off guard, something you can see in the clip I added to that post just now. I completely forgot they're different in that game, and they made sure to remind me of that.

Edited August 13, 2018 by Agent6

[Pegg]

So that's what inspired all the explosive tiny lost souls that oneshot people in mods like hard doom. Didn't fight the ones in D64 but the other ones are enough to decide that stuff sucks. especially going from 100 to 0 after a hard segment to a random lost soul.

[KVELLER]

@Agent6 Probably part of my hate towards them comes from the fact that the last time I played Doom 64 was with a controller, and the damn things didn't give enough time to aim.

[SiFi270]

In Rylayeh, despite the .txt file saying the minimum requirement is a limit removing port, a lot of pickups in the first map (and presumably others) will float next to ledges they're supposed to be far below in anything too faithful to Vanilla. This happened with Crispy, PrBoom+ at complevel 3 and 4, and Eternity with the -vanilla parameter. GZDoom had them where they were supposed to be despite me setting compatibility to "Doom (strict)" before starting the game.

[elarmadillo3]

On 8/4/2018 at 10:17 AM, Archanhell said:

I just found out how Adrian, Donna, Shawn or Sandy are not DooM characters but real people :^)

I read somewhere that "Donna was a female soldier who saved Doomguy on the past" "Shawn was one of the last marines to die on DooM, just before Doomguy arrived." or something like that.

Any idea where you found that?

[elarmadillo3]

On 7/11/2018 at 6:18 AM, Solmyr said:

The closest thing that comes to mind it's a strange "woooaaaoo" sound, it doesn't sound quite like a dog, sounds more like a wave or something like that.

I really want to know what that's supposed to be.

[elarmadillo3]

On 8/5/2018 at 1:14 AM, Marn said:

 

Friends don't let friends read the Doom wikia page.

I used to use it a lot, no things like that are in there...

 

  On 7/11/2018 at 6:18 AM, Solmyr said:

The closest thing that comes to mind it's a strange "woooaaaoo" sound, it doesn't sound quite like a dog, sounds more like a wave or something like that.

I really want to know what that's supposed to be.

 

  On 8/4/2018 at 10:17 AM, Archanhell said:

I just found out how Adrian, Donna, Shawn or Sandy are not DooM characters but real people :^)

I read somewhere that "Donna was a female soldier who saved Doomguy on the past" "Shawn was one of the last marines to die on DooM, just before Doomguy arrived." or something like that.

Any idea where you found that?

(fuck how do i delete shit didnt know i triple posted)

[Solmyr]

43 minutes ago, elarmadillo3 said:

I really want to know what that's supposed to be.

I believe this is the sound spawn cubes from the Icon of Sin make when flying towards their destination.

[Gez]

int     quitsounds[8] =
{
    sfx_pldeth,
    sfx_dmpain,
    sfx_popain,
    sfx_slop,
    sfx_telept,
    sfx_posit1,
    sfx_posit3,
    sfx_sgtatk
};

int     quitsounds2[8] =
{
    sfx_vilact,
    sfx_getpow,
    sfx_boscub,
    sfx_slop,
    sfx_skeswg,
    sfx_kntdth,
    sfx_bspact,
    sfx_sgtatk
};

So, we have:

1. player death, demon pain, zombie/imp pain, gib sound, teleport, zombie wake up 1, zombie wake up 2, demon bite.

2. arch-vile idle, powerup pickup, boss cube flight, gib sound, revenant swing, knight death, arachnotron idle, and demon bite.

 

The wooaaoo sound is the boss cube flight indeed.