Now that would make a good WAD...NOT! [Greece migrants pay row shooting]

[Maes]

Die Know Might! We're cooking with gas!

Apparently, there were 200 of them versus 3 (all armed?) supervisors. Final outcome: 30 wounded. For some reason I couldn't help but think about a zombie holocaust/slaughter WAD scenario as soon as I heard it. The elements are all there: the fighting field, the unpersonified "zombies", and the "heroes".

I can't also help but think that if the illegals wanted it, they could have overpowered the supervisors by their sheer numbers, since they took casualties and had nothing more to lose anyway. Of course this raises a lot of questions such as if those migrants were legal, had full security etc. (a purely rhetorical question).

Now, this could easily be made into a WAD: just pick a brown terrain, a farm house, throw in 200 imps and some shotguns and shells. Best enjoyed in 3-player co-op.

[DoomUK]

Maes said:

I can't also help but think that if the illegals wanted it, they could have overpowered the supervisors by their sheer numbers, since they took casualties and had nothing more to lose anyway. Of course this raises a lot of questions such as if those migrants were legal, had full security etc. (a purely rhetorical question).

Perhaps they were just scared of also getting shot. An understandable trepidation.

[Maes]

DoomUK said:

Perhaps they were just scared of also getting shot. An understandable trepidation.

Well, they were using hunting shotguns. Even with a semi-auto, that's max 9 shots per gun in a row, before having to reload. Plus, they were not new to this kind of treatment in their own countries. Wait until they're out of ammo, someone yell "charge" and then...RIP and TEAR!

Now, if the supervisors used something like that....

[DoomUK]

Still, one pull of the trigger with the barrel pointed in the right direction, releasing one projectile or cluster of projectiles = one death. Or at least, horrendous injury which you're not going to be smiling about.

I don't know if I'd want to risk it, payment quarrels notwithstanding. Especially if the guy with the gun was obviously prepared to use it. But I guess I didn't grow up somewhere where I woke up every morning knowing I might get killed that day, so I can't say for sure what was going through their minds.

[Maes]

Most -if not all- of them grew up in a place bad enough to justify saving up to $10000 each (perhaps pawning their family house and/or their families and/or selling their organs) and paying it to smugglers for a trip through minefields, dark waters, in truck containers etc. for the "privilege" of working as strawberry pickers, windscreen washers, metal thieves or peddlers in a "market" where there are already too many of them and have to compete with each other and local groups that already control some of these "businesses" (it's not unheard of for groups of pakis to get into bloody fights with gypsies over "turf").

After that, think some birdshot would scare them? They must have used birdshot, since there were no dead, otherwise shooting on a crowd with buckshot = pretty gruesome deaths and mutilations, which there weren't. They must have grown soft from the -relative- safety and comfort.

[Sokoro]

So the moral of the story is:
Don't shoot imps and other demons, they do not invade uac bases to cause terror and destruction, they just escaped from hell and want to have some place for living.

Maes wrote: Now if the supervisors used something like that... (video)

I hate humans, they are unpredictable (at least for me, as an asperger) and out of my control. That is why I love machines, they obey me most of the time. When I see those humans to control such dangerous objects as weapons, then I feel threatened. That is why I would ban all weapons, so that no one (and that include mafia, terrorists and other scum) would own any weapon. I would be a sole exception. Then I would feel safe and happy.

[DoomUK]

Maes said:

After that, think some birdshot would scare them? They must have used birdshot, since there were no dead, otherwise shooting on a crowd with buckshot = pretty gruesome deaths and mutilations, which there weren't. They must have grown soft from the -relative- safety and comfort.

Birdshot injuries are nothing to scoff at. Think potential loss of limb or eyesight.

Besides, I doubt whether they had the time to figure out what sort of ammunition was being used. They might have been tough and resilient and determined sort of people, but they're not terminators with onboard tactical analysis software. Likely, panic ensued the moment gunfire erupted and people started falling over.

[GreyGhost]

Maes said:

Plus, they were not new to this kind of treatment in their own countries.

I get the impression Bangladesh has been fairly quiet since its separation from Pakistan.

Is it standard practice in Greece to settle pay disputes with volleys of shotgun fire?

[Maes]

Sokoro said:

I would be a sole exception. Then I would feel safe and happy.

How long do you think it would take before they killed you in your sleep to steal it for you? You'd also need an army of loyalists to protect you...and surprise surprise, you'd have to find a way to arm them better than your potential opponents (stones and sticks). Even if you keep a safe distance by having e.g. a firearm and giving only bladed weapons, spears and curasses to your henchmen, you would still be under the danger of treason etc. so you'd need to form a class of privileged people who'd have a lot to lose if you were to go down, and so would willingly watch over your collective (but oligarchic) interests....but then you'd risk some of them breaking up and becoming a competitor...heh.

GreyGhost said:

I get the impression Bangladesh has been fairly quiet since its separation from Pakistan.

In the sense that it has no ongoing military confrontations with an outside enemy, yeah, it's probably very quiet. But it's a minimum wagin' muslim country, with all the usual "perks" that one gets in such a country (violent police repression, sexual repression which is only vented by buttfucking each other etc.)

GreyGhost said:

Is it standard practice in Greece to settle pay disputes with volleys of shotgun fire?

One could view it as the ultimate step in the ongoing labour cost-reduction and competetitiveness-increasing reforms, that even Germans would envy.

Let's say that each illegal immigrant worker is to be paid a 5 Eur wage. For six months, thats 5 x 6 x 30 = 900 Eur per worker. For 200 of them, it's 180000 Euros, obviously quite a big sum (and in fact, some articles mentioned that the total owned amount was close to 150000 Eur). Instead, they were "paid" with about 50 Euros worth of shotgun shells. That's a whooping 1/3600 cost reduction, corresponding to a final wage of 0.001388 Eur/worker/day
NOW THAT'S COMPETITIVE, EVEN MORE COMPETITIVE THAN PAKISTAN OR BANGLADESH! BEAT THAT MERKEL!

Of course, since those "workers" were probably:

• Not legally residing in Greece
  
• Not legally working in Greece
  
• Obviously unsecured
  
• Didn't have a contract
  
• Were not unionized or otherwise protected by a syndicate
  

they will have a tough time getting any actual money back, now that the issue is under the public spotlight. It's impossible for a court to rule that they should be paid their dues with "black" money: it would be like a court ruling that an arrested mob lord should still pay his henchmen.

Actually, the best thing to do for any of them to do right now is to disappear and go back to stealing/robbing/buttfucking each other to pass time, as if they let themselves come in contact with the police, they are done for: they will be jailed and eventually deported.

[printz]

What is keeping those illegal immigrants in Greece? They're in the EU, man! Schengen area, even!

[Clonehunter]

The Imps should be modified to not throw fireballs too. This way it's more realistic.

[Jodwin]

Clonehunter said:

The Imps should be modified to not throw fireballs too. This way it's more realistic.

Strawberries?

[Maes]

printz said:

What is keeping those illegal immigrants in Greece? They're in the EU, man! Schengen area, even!

1. Their smugglers only brought them as far as "Europe's border", which (conveniently) means Greece. Kinda hard for them to smuggle them e.g. directly into Germany.
   
2. Dublin Regulation, which pretty much says that if they cross YOUR border first, they are just YOUR problem, not Europe's. Combine with #1 for added "fun.
   

If it was for me, I'd legalize them all (an estimated 2 million) the next morning, give them the Greek (therefore EUROPEAN) citizenship, and let Germany and France (among others) to be swamped by 2 million muslims instead.

Edit: as I said, the best thing the victims can do now is disappear. Those that can't, including those hospitalized, are already
scheduled for deportation (page in Greek).

Really, it's a fucked up, sick game. The migrants lose, their families lose, the destination country loses, Europe loses. The only ones winning are the smugglers and their unlawful "employers".

Edit 2: It's not the first time shit like this happens, either. The figures mentioned in that 2008 article (25-30 Eur per day) seem like the fruit (pardon the pun) of a sick, feverish fantasy. Those illegals were shot for a fraction of that amount.

[fraggle]

Maes said:

Now, this could easily be made into a WAD: just pick a brown terrain, a farm house, throw in 200 imps and some shotguns and shells. Best enjoyed in 3-player co-op.

This seems like a rather tasteless comparison.

[Maes]

That blonde, female paramedic visible after 1:35 must have had nerves of steel and is visibly tense: normally, for a white christian woman to be surrounded alone by a horde of muslim illegals would be a VERY bad idea, and pretty much a guarantee that she would never walk properly again (to say the least). The only thing that saved her was her paramedic property and the fact that most of them were more shocked and angry and eager to get their friends to hospital, rather than horny/looking for an immediate revenge upon their "masters".

I'm shocked by the absence of police in that video, though. It seems that only the paramedics are present and that one of the crew filmed.

[CorSair]

At least they have some sort respect for the medical staff...

[Clonehunter]

Jodwin said:

Strawberries?

I was gonna say that they shouldn't throw anything, but strawberries is pretty good. Granted, I feel Doomguy would just catch those in his mouth and they'd add to his health instead.

[Captain Ventris]

Maes said:

The only thing that saved her was her paramedic property and the fact that most of them were more shocked and angry and eager to get their friends to hospital, rather than horny/looking for an immediate revenge upon their "masters".

I wasn't under the impression that saying that Muslims are inherently rapists is particularly acceptable, but here ya go.

[Maes]

fraggle said:

This seems like a rather tasteless comparison.

Perhaps I should have stuck with the Zombie apocalypse analogy, then. Even myk found some rationale in it.

What's most scary however, is that the foremen considered it "normal" for them to shoot upon the workers, meaning that they considered them a horde of hostile, monstruous, non-human non-persons, in a manner not entirely dissimilar from how zombies are portrayed (and, which, I stress again, are treated in ways eerily similar to riot control/protest repression, though more extreme). Oh and they also were 100% certain that they would not suffer any legal consequences for their actions (and in a way, there were right: this sort of exploitation couldn't happen without tolerance/blessing from ALL local authorities, which made them pretty much omni-potent on their property, and immune from any form of control. Almost).

And before someone calls upon "Golden Dawn" and neo-nazis, it turns out that the owner of the farmer was a big shot local representative of the "socialist" PASOK party, and that the shooters were also card-holding PASOK members. We call those "left wingers with right-wing pockets/wallets".

[DoomUK]

Maes said:

they considered them a horde of hostile, monstruous, non-human non-persons, in a manner not entirely dissimilar from how zombies are portrayed

Clearly they never saw those touching "Bub" scenes in Day of the Dead.