Greenday (1991-1994)

[Koko Ricky]

When I think of hardcore punk, I think of Circle Jerks, Dead Kennedys, Misfits, Discharge, Charles Bronson, Anal Cunt, Exploited, Minor Threat and crossover bands like D.R.I., S.O.D. and Wehrmacht. Seems like something happened during the late 80s and early 90s and this new breed of hardcore cropped up that had higher production value, much sharper guitar tones, use of down tuning and lots of breakdowns. It's a shame that became the face of hardcore, because it's fucking boring for the most part, although Terror and Gorilla Biscuits are interesting.

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GoatLord said:

When I think of hardcore punk, I think of Circle Jerks, Dead Kennedys, Misfits, Discharge, Charles Bronson, Anal Cunt, Exploited, Minor Threat and crossover bands like D.R.I., S.O.D. and Wehrmacht. Seems like something happened during the late 80s and early 90s and this new breed of hardcore cropped up that had higher production value, much sharper guitar tones, use of down tuning and lots of breakdowns. It's a shame that became the face of hardcore, because it's fucking boring for the most part, although Terror and Gorilla Biscuits are interesting.

wholeheartedly agree. A lot of the newer bands also use that imitation-black metal/clean vocal combo which is the sonic equivalent of putting ketchup on chocolate ice cream.

[TawmDee]

oh no i see this thread is filled with greatly uninformed opinions from metalheads

I'll somewhat agree with TheEndOfUs in his separation of GC& later182 w/ early Offspring & Green Day, at least in terms of mainstream breakthroughs (GC&182 belonging to 2nd wave, Offspring&GD belong to the 1st wave). However, even then the 4 bands are strikingly different in content - that's almost like saying the big 4 of thrash sound exactly the same (here's a hint: they don't). However, I'm gonna disagree on the idea of what 'real' pop punk is, since 'alternative rock' is such a broad description in itself, plus the genre has evolved so much since it's inception (will explain later). Allegedly you could say Buzzcocks and other 70s bands were also 'true pop punk' but let's not get into that, I think 70s punk was extremely versatile in itself (look at The Clash for instance).. kinda like the whole alternative rock label... hmmm...

Either way I'll go with the idea that GC&182 are on the poppier side of pop punk, Offspring & Greenday are more 'punk rock' influenced. Though really, 182 and Offspring probably have more musical similarity due to their skate punk type background in the early days, whilst Good Charlotte have always been poppy as hell and even went all mall-emo a bit later. Strangely, Green Day's early stuff I actually find the most awesome due to the awesome Husker Du type influence, though I'm still pretty damn fond of Dookie, Insomniac and Nimrod.

Still, I'm surprised no one mentioned New Found Glory? They, along with Blink, seem to be the major influence for a new breed of 21st century pop punk bands - which can be split up into two factions - easycore (pop punk + hardcore/metal breakdown chuggs ie Four Year Strong, Set Your Goals) & tr00 pop punk (which is pop punk but with more meaningful/deep guitar work/lyrics - no fun allowed! ie Real Friends, The Wonder Years). With both these sub-sub-genres in existence it's no doubt that we currently live in a post-modern age, and such an evolution means that a) pop punk does exist as a defined genre, and b) pop punk will never die! (as the fans would say)

anyway, now that i've cemented myself as a pop punk fan (and don't go telling me that REAL TR00 POP PUNK is descendants or jawbreaker etc. etc. i know that ok) time to go into the misconceptions of hardcore.

now hell yeah, terror (even though they're pretty similar to hatebreed but less moshtastic) & gorilla biscuits (even though they were like melodic NYHC but w/e) are awesome. and yeah, 80s hardcore punk is apparently when it was last credible until it turned to shit but you've got it all wrong. trust me as a metalhead myself i used to think Discharge and Dead Kennedys etc were the only hardcore punk bands that existed but nah. i mean obviously we've got the late 80s NYHC stuff like Agnostic Front, Sick Of It All etc. that was pretty cool, but don't forget the early 90s metalcore stuff like Integrity, Ringworm, Earth Crisis, Merauder, Strife etc. that shit was badass and I'm surprised they don't get enough props today from any modern music listener, they seem like a complete product of the past - and even then I don't think anyone gave a shit about them either.

if you wanna listen to 'real hardcore' that's acceptable for metal ears, what about the neocrust stuff coming out recently? or that swedish d-beat stuff? or that band, Nails, who are meant to be pretty awesome stuff, and sound kinda like Entombed if they were really really really fast.

Still, i'm going to say that heavy as fuck breakdowns are fucking awesome and also a product of post-modern music evolution. sadly, outsider views of trendy metalcore aesthetics always seem to be outdated.

i mean, hardly any of the bands nowadays rip off At The Gates (not sure where you got that E-Town Concrete comparison from), that's a total '04 As I Lay Dying type trend that doesn't fly right anymore. In this era of middle-class suburban hardcore it's all about bringing the Hatebreed style mosh combined with a high variation of soul-gripping chords and serious life-affirming lyrics. basically it's the scumbag hardcore of the mid 90s but now it's dressed up with nice melodies for kids from decent backgrounds. pretty cool, huh, i really do recommend checking out The Ghost Inside and It Prevails. srsly good shit. (also djent. had to throw that one in there somewhere in this long-ass post. what do you guys think of djent???)

but it's funny how you should say that it's a parody of metal when really, isn't metal kinda parodying itself with it's absurd seriousness and rigidity to stay within it's boundaries? i mean don't get me wrong it's fun music and all (i am still a massive fan of Sodom, Helloween, Bathory and so on) but i haven't seen much evolutions in 21st century metal (aside from all that post-black metal blackgaze stuff which is damn cool) when the 'core' bands are experimenting with synthesizers and autotuned vocals and tuning their guitars to like DROP F or something stupid like that on their 8-string guitars. seriously that's far beyond the "imitation-black metal/clean vocal" stereotype, how can you forget the trance interludes and r&b/metal splicing of artistic pioneers like Attack Attack! or Abandon All Ships? (though i have to say when you say 'shades of emo' you should probably do your research on what real midwestern emo is all about cause it's totally unrelated to the mall-emo bastardisation of this common era, that along with screamo aka SKRAMZ which also has nothing to do with scenecore shit, apparently. (yah i know a lot about music dude.....))

i dunno maybe i'm just fucking crazy but i feel like sometimes i'm the only person in the world who totally digs both oldschool dinosaur metal and the current core trends as regularly awesome in their fields of 'HEAVY AS FUCK' music, and don't really get why these two factions seem to actively have a lack of respect for each other. cause that's what i'm going for when i wanna listen to heavy guitar orientated music - the heaviness, not some fashion aesthetic, geez. and that's riffs, breakdowns, guitar solos, vinyl scratchin (yeah nu-metal was fucking rad as well), don't give a shit. if bring me the horizon was a bunch of beardo metalheads i think they'd get a helluva lot more respect, but if Gojira were a bunch of pretty boy scenekids they'd get a whole lot of flack for just 'ripping off pantera & morbid angel fuckin core faggots' i mean, catchiness is good too. we're talking about pop punk right?

so, uh, green day, pretty good band, yeah.

[Koko Ricky]

Can someone provide a tl;dr for that?

[Technician]

GoatLord said:

Can someone provide a tl;dr for that?

I think he wants us to know he's a respected member of ???? with his vast knowledge of stuff.

[Snakes]

But he didn't even mention Screeching Weasel once!

[Technician]

Snakes said:

But he didn't even mention Screeching Weasel once!

That's a plebeian-tier error.

[Platinum Shell]

dew said:

Not getting the joke doesn't equal being the center of calmness, iceman. If this was about you and your scope, the site would be called Assburgerworld. Townsend directly targets Green Day with Punky Brüster and mocks their sellout, fake punk style. In the process he also managed to created a great, funny punk rock album. I recommend you give it a try, which is what you should've done in the first place instead of instigating a fight with me.

You took this way, way too seriously man

[Kontra Kommando]

I'm going to join Scott Hall and Kevin Nash in the Outsiders.

[Yukarin]

I couldn't care less about Green Day or any other pop punk band for that matter

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sgt dopey said:

I couldn't care less about Green Day or any other pop punk band for that matter

Me too, so I'm going to peace out on this one.

[Superluigieth1]

Catoptromancy said:

http://fixyt.com/watch?v=t0wFKWpU2Pc

Love that song.

[TawmDee]

Snakes said:

But he didn't even mention Screeching Weasel once!

argggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh

GoatLord said:

Can someone provide a tl;dr for that?

having opinions about music is dumb

[DuckReconMajor]

Snakes said:

But he didn't even mention Screeching Weasel once!

And you didn't even mention his not mentioning of Screeching Weasel without mentioning his not mentioning of the Queers once!

[TawmDee]

the vandals and guttermouth.
also something something ska punk

[Coopersville]

I still think they're alright.

[Clonehunter]

Sum41?

[Technician]

Clonehunter said:

Sum41?

I saw them when they played at my college bar.

[joe-ilya]

"Bad religion" & "The offspring" FTW.

[Clonehunter]

joe-ilya said:

"Bad religion" & "The offspring" FTW.

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