Doomkid Posted June 17, 2014 A little OT, but..Kontra Kommando said:This video is travesty! ScrewAttack can NEVER repent for this sin. Master Chief VS Doomguy They were obviously just appealing to the bigger, more "hip and with it" fanbase. Why the fuck did they have space marines fighting side-view like a damn street fighter game? Shouldn't it have been an.. Uh.. FPS battle? In terms of storyline, it's unfair to put a human against a modified spartan. Honestly, it's kinda retarded. In terms of gameplay... Well.. Doomguy would own him up and down in a deathmatch. No question. DG is hindered by no jumping, sure, but the speed / the BFG wins it, even with all of Chiefs flashy stuff. No competition really. (I think Halo DM is boring as hell compared to Doom..) 0 Share this post Link to post
Maes Posted June 17, 2014 Basically, COD is everything that Doom isn't. And that's terrible. 1 Share this post Link to post
Kontra Kommando Posted June 17, 2014 Doomkid said:A little OT, but.. They were obviously just appealing to the bigger, more "hip and with it" fanbase. Why the fuck did they have space marines fighting side-view like a damn street fighter game? Shouldn't it have been an.. Uh.. FPS battle? In terms of storyline, it's unfair to put a human against a modified spartan. Honestly, it's kinda retarded. In terms of gameplay... Well.. Doomguy would own him up and down in a deathmatch. No question. DG is hindered by no jumping, sure, but the speed / the BFG wins it, even with all of Chiefs flashy stuff. No competition really. (I think Halo DM is boring as hell compared to Doom..) That and Doomguy defeated hell several times, and killed Demons. I don't even hear about Jesus killing any demons. Looks like Doomguy put in more work for his set, than Christ. Moreover, what if Doomguy found an invulnerability sphere, and a Berserk pack? That would have been great if it ended with Doomguy gibbing Master Chief with a single punch. 0 Share this post Link to post
Koko Ricky Posted June 17, 2014 So from what I'm gathering, the COD franchise has basically monopolized first person shooting, to the extent that the average newschool FPS is directly influenced by it. I can see how that could incredibly frustrating. I've also noticed a few of you claiming that COD fanboys are likely to have trouble playing Doom; there was even a comment about someone not being able to finish Hangar. Hyperbole much? Is Doom really that challenging for the new generation? 0 Share this post Link to post
Kontra Kommando Posted June 17, 2014 GoatLord said:I've also noticed a few of you claiming that COD fanboys are likely to have trouble playing Doom; there was even a comment about someone not being able to finish Hangar. Hyperbole much? Is Doom really that challenging for the new generation? I let my five year old cousin play Doom when he came over my house one day. I was actually surprised by how good he was; he already knew how to comfortably play with a keyboard and mouse. Then again, he does play mine craft a lot. It took him a bit, but he actually got to E1M3 I believe. Despite the huge popularity of CoD. I think games like mine craft, help the new generation of gamers appreciate old-school graphics at the very least. 0 Share this post Link to post
Patrol1985 Posted June 17, 2014 GoatLord said:there was even a comment about someone not being able to finish Hangar. Hyperbole much? Is Doom really that challenging for the new generation? I can totally believe it, but it's not about Hangar being too challenging, my wife beat it on UV for heaven's sake! I think it's about attention span and willingness to put in at least a minor effort. I can envision a scene where a CoD player spawns in Hangar, roams around the first two rooms, notices that there is no arrow guiding him etc. and quits the level before even trying. 0 Share this post Link to post
geekmarine Posted June 17, 2014 You know, I get how when you're so used to being funneled along by linear level design, having to actually look around and think about what you're doing can be a challenge. I remember back in college, my friend and I were playing Jedi Academy and joking because there was one level that was particularly maze-like, but we started inventing the Rules of FPS games to help sort it all out. I don't think we got too many down, but the ones we did get down would be pretty damn helpful to any COD noob. First rule - if people are shooting at you, you're going in the right direction. Second rule - if all else fails, blow stuff up. It's amazing how far those two rules alone will get you. Especially the first one - the second one only really helps in games where there are sometimes passages that are blocked off that need to be exploded or whatever (though then again, it can be helpful - if everything that can be blown up has been blown up in a room, you know you've been there before). I guess COD would kinda break the first rule, though, as one of the staples of the series is endlessly respawning waves of enemies. 0 Share this post Link to post
Gez Posted June 17, 2014 GoatLord said:I've also noticed a few of you claiming that COD fanboys are likely to have trouble playing Doom; there was even a comment about someone not being able to finish Hangar. Hyperbole much? Is Doom really that challenging for the new generation? Mention was made of E1M2, not E1M1. 0 Share this post Link to post
Phobus Posted June 17, 2014 @geekmarine: The thing with CoD is that the first rule applies entirely. You have to push through to where you're being shot from all the time you don't have to blow something up or pick up something specific (and therefore marked and highlighted). 0 Share this post Link to post
Pencil of Doom Posted June 17, 2014 Doomkid said:A little OT, but.. It's unfair to put a human against a modified spartan. Honestly, it's kinda retarded. In terms of gameplay... Well.. Doomguy would own him up and down in a deathmatch. No question. DG is hindered by no jumping, sure, but the speed / the BFG wins it, even with all of Chiefs flashy stuff. No competition really. (I think Halo DM is boring as hell compared to Doom..) Truly unfair. And The Marine would frag him as many times he wanted because he is fast and he has accurate and reliable weapons such the trusty shotgun, the overpowered Super Shotgun, the Rapidfire stun Plasma Rifle and the Desvastating BFG9000. For powerups he has the life saver Berserk medikit, the last resort MegaSphere and the Godlike Invunerability Sphere. While the Master Chief only has a shield and futuristic weapons that require reloading, unlike The Marine's Pea Shooter,Chaingun,Plasma Rifle(althrough has a delay after firing) and The BFG9000(same thing has Plasma Rifle). 0 Share this post Link to post
Doominator2 Posted June 17, 2014 Patrol1985 said:It's popular because: 1. It's realistic. For some reason, the majority has always preferred realistic FPS games (by realistic I mean with real weaponry and setting). 2. It has good graphics. Plain and simple. Realistic!? like getting shot in the neck and being able to regen to full health in 2 seconds or getting a one hit kill by a throwing knife handle to the foot? And the graphics are quite blah. 0 Share this post Link to post
Patrol1985 Posted June 17, 2014 Pay attention to what I had written in parentheses - by realistic I mean the SETTING and WEAPONS. I'm fully aware that gameplay is nowhere near realistic, but as long as the other two conditions are met, people seem to suspend their disbelief. 0 Share this post Link to post
Blastfrog Posted June 17, 2014 GoatLord said:I've also noticed a few of you claiming that COD fanboys are likely to have trouble playing Doom; there was even a comment about someone not being able to finish Hangar. Hyperbole much? Is Doom really that challenging for the new generation? Not hyperbole; I saw it with my own eyes!Gez said:Mention was made of E1M2, not E1M1.I mentioned both. 0 Share this post Link to post
Clonehunter Posted June 17, 2014 Doomkid said:(I think Halo DM is boring as hell compared to Doom..) The Warthogs were pretty damn fun, though. 1 Share this post Link to post
Koko Ricky Posted June 17, 2014 Do these new games really hold your hand that much? Are newer gamers really this inept? I remember being 9-10 years old, navigating Doom and Doom 2 on ultra violence with no walkthrough. I remember being just slightly older and tearing through Quake, Quake 2 (on the N64, with its awkward control pad), demos for Duke 3D/Shadow Warrior/Blood ... If pubescent me could do it, why should today's gen struggle? The cost of a decade of games holding our hands? 0 Share this post Link to post
Phml Posted June 17, 2014 why should today's gen struggle? I dislike CoD as much as the next guy, and I despise those inevitable douchebags who pop up in topics like this to say anyone who hates CoD does so because they're hipsters / irrational / cavemen... ...buuut that being said, I think the claim modern gamers couldn't play Doom is largely bullshit. The game is simply not that hard to pick up. Of course if you give them 20 minutes to play then yank away the mouse (which they've never used to play a FPS before), they're not going to accomplish much. How did your first 20 minutes of Doom ever go? Personally, I must have spent that amount of time trying to get "outside" from the green armor room windows in E1M1. Before even fighting one monster. Because I played on ITYTD. Natural doomgod, baby. Even then, let's say you let them play a few hours and it turns out they are truly horrible. Guess what, in the previous generation those people would have been the billions who didn't play video games in the 90s. Video games were harder, true, and so they had abysmal retention rates; and so the gaming community consisted only of the most passionate. Of course the average skill level is going to be higher if you winnow the herd. 0 Share this post Link to post
Inkie Posted June 17, 2014 GoatLord said:So from what I'm gathering, the COD franchise has basically monopolized first person shooting, to the extent that the average newschool FPS is directly influenced by it. I can see how that could incredibly frustrating. The only truly monopolized genre is the American Football Game (ie Madden games). Only EA has the license to use the real teams and stuff. It sucks, as any sort of changes to the formula stagnate to the extreme. CoD succeeded in popularizing one kind of fps that honestly was spawned by half-life. Its just that what made that kinda fps, that kind was very exaggerated, with some hollywood cinema mixed in, and 'realistic' mechanics. And because it was popular, imitation would naturally occur. I've also noticed a few of you claiming that COD fanboys are likely to have trouble playing Doom; there was even a comment about someone not being able to finish Hangar. Hyperbole much? Is Doom really that challenging for the new generation? Doom is weird when you think about it. 0 Share this post Link to post
Jaxxoon R Posted June 18, 2014 Batman is weird when you think about it. He's a millionaire that dresses as a bat and fell down a well and now fights an evil clown. But, in the end, Batman is also cool. 0 Share this post Link to post
pilottobombadier Posted June 18, 2014 I'm unsure if I can add anything to the formula, but I'm going to try. There are things I enjoy about Call of Duty, but the things that I don't are what completely drag it down. What I like about it is ultimately the alternative game modes. That's far out-weighed by what I don't. Level design is no better or worse than most other shooters. Thanks to Half-Life and Halo, most FPS's are extremely linear in terms of level design. However, that was 1998 and 2001 respectively. That shit has to stop. Whether or not it's multiplayer-centric, just about every one of its peers actually does it better. Call of Duty, however, is more accessible because ultimately, the weapons are all the same, much like Battlefield Bad Company. In terms of movement and gameplay mechanics, Call of Duty is in about the same place as the first Halo game with half the actual depth. What it seems to have going for it is a better teamplay mechanic. That's really about it. Unfortunately, your team mates are often gibbering idiots slinging as many racial slurs as bullets. And that's why the hate is legit. 0 Share this post Link to post
geekmarine Posted June 18, 2014 I don't know about the Doom thing. I played it when I was 12, and I had never really played a 3D game in my life until that point, and I didn't really have much trouble finding my way around. I would think a COD player would at least have some advantage over me in approaching Doom for the firs time - I had no experience with FPS games at all. It's simply a matter of realizing you need to navigate yourself by using landmarks, as opposed to simply following the only open corridor available. 0 Share this post Link to post
Blastfrog Posted June 18, 2014 geekmarine said:I don't know about the Doom thing. I played it when I was 12, and I had never really played a 3D game in my life until that point, and I didn't really have much trouble finding my way around.Yeah, it is pretty intuitive. And I'll admit, the only CoD fanboy I've seen try to play Doom is my obnoxious cousin, but I was legitimately shocked by how he was completely unable to navigate the most basic levels. I probably shouldn't assume that all younger modern FPS players are this braindead, but from what I witnessed, the reason why modern FPS level design is the way it is became clear. He was like a blind rat in a maze. In E1M1, he kept going back to the previous rooms even though he'd already cleared them out, and couldn't find his way to the fucking exit. In E1M2, he kept running around in circles in the first room and opening the big doors to the carpeted stairs didn't even occur to him. He couldn't find his way to the blue key in E1M3 without my guiding him. I generally tried to have a hands-off approach and gave him a decent amount of time to play and figure it out myself, and only intervened when I was frustrated by his utter lack of navigational skills. I even set up a controller so that he didn't have to play with keyboard and mouse. And again, this is only my experience with one person, and the kid's an annoying twat with no attention span anyway, but I can't help but feel that the new generation of kids are fucking idiots that can't figure out even the most basic things out on their own. 0 Share this post Link to post
clamgor Posted June 20, 2014 To put it bluntly: It's terrible and I don't understand why people like it so much. 0 Share this post Link to post
Marnetmar Posted June 20, 2014 I don't think the COD series is that bad in and of itself. Sure it's not my favorite kind of gameplay, but the fact that it's intentionally designed to be squeaker friendly, thus accumulating an awful, annoying fanbase is what annoys me. 0 Share this post Link to post
geekmarine Posted June 20, 2014 Crasger said:To put it bluntly: It's terrible and I don't understand why people like it so much. Oh that's easy. Well, I won't speak for the multiplayer portion, as I've never played COD multiplayer. However, the singleplayer experience is rather simplistic and straightforward. I played COD 2 and 3, and I found it really easy to pick it up, run through blasting Nazis for a few minutes, and put it down again, like an arcade game. It's the exact opposite of the problem I have with some games, where say I take a break in the middle of completing five different objectives, and I come back and can't even remember where the hell I am or what I was trying to accomplish. With COD, you don't need to remember where you were or what your goal was, because you're really not gonna miss anything just charging straight forward. And while you think taking all the strategy out of the game might make it dull, there are two things - one, shooting bad guys is always satisfying, and two, because it can be so easily picked up, it's easy to play in short bursts, put it down when it starts to get boring, and jump right back into the game later when you're ready. 0 Share this post Link to post
Koko Ricky Posted June 20, 2014 "Squeaker friendly"? The hell does that mean? Also, off topic, but the Screw Attack video…holy shit. That was dumb as balls. Being Doom fanboys, of course we wanted DG to win, but clearly those guys failed to be realistic about each character's abilities. It also has downright shitty voice acting; whoever is trying to imitate a drill sergeant failed miserably. A friend of mine was watching a Superman versus Goku video (not a fan of either, but I sat in out of curiosity) and the video lasted very nearly. A half. Fucking. Hour. Screw Attack have no goddamn clue how to put a show together. /end rant 0 Share this post Link to post
Fulgrim Posted June 20, 2014 I think that pretty much sums up most of, if not all of the COD hate. 0 Share this post Link to post
Pencil of Doom Posted June 20, 2014 GoatLord said:The Screw Attack video…holy shit. That was dumb as balls. Being Doom fanboys, of course we wanted DG to win, but clearly those guys failed to be realistic about each character's abilities. It also has downright shitty voice acting; whoever is trying to imitate a drill sergeant failed miserably. Screw Attack have no goddamn clue how to put a show together. Yeah, thats true, they failed to be realistic about each character's abilities, not to mention their voices sound awful and they shouldn't haven made this shit because Doom is better than Halo and will always be, no matter what. And that video clearly shows that they know little about Doom and Halo. In conclusion they are nothing but a duo of idiots. 0 Share this post Link to post
Chow Yun Thin Posted June 20, 2014 GoatLord said:"Squeaker friendly"? The hell does that mean?Squeakers are little kids (specifically, the ones that keep talking into the mic even when they have no reason to). He's saying the skill ceiling in CoD games is lowered so much even kids can do well in it. 0 Share this post Link to post
Guest Unregistered account Posted June 20, 2014 GoatLord said:I've also noticed a few of you claiming that COD fanboys are likely to have trouble playing Doom; there was even a comment about someone not being able to finish Hangar. Hyperbole much? Is Doom really that challenging for the new generation? I play Doom. I map for Doom. I'm on these forums. And I'm 13. That should tell you all you need to know. (P.S. Not trying to be an asshole :P) (P.S.S. I guess this also complies with Sodaholic's post, but I understand that where he's coming from and that he's not referring to all kids nowadays. So yeah, sorry again if I'm being an asshole) 0 Share this post Link to post