Unpopular Opinions

[mrthejoshmon]

GoatLord said:

EDIT: Several more unpopular (possibly) opinions:

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• Sexual attraction to minors is extremely common if not normal.

Uhhh....

Probably because that shit is just wrong and illegal?

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Here is one:

Modern feminism is worthless as they achieve nothing and just ruin everything they can get their hands on. From what I have seen it is no longer about equality for women (Which is indeed a noble and important cause, don't get me wrong) but is instead about censorship, woman dominance over men, making up as much new genders as physically possible and about making everything seem oppressive so they can play victim...

What the fuck happened to feminism? I remember when it was about dealing with inequality and I also remember when it actually got important shit done.

[Koko Ricky]

Are you going to tell me that you've never seen a scantily clad high school girl and thought, "She's sexy"? C'mon, we all have. The fact that it's illegal is totally irrelevant, as the law does not dictate right and wrong. And about it being wrong? Pfft, grow up. It's not like finding a young girl hot is the same thing as actually trying to fuck them.

[mrthejoshmon]

GoatLord said:

(1)Are you going to tell me that you've never seen a scantily clad high school girl and thought, "She's sexy"? C'mon, we all have. (2)The fact that it's illegal is totally irrelevant, as the (3)law does not dictate right and wrong. (4)And about it being wrong? Pfft, grow up. It's not like (5)finding a young girl hot is the same thing as actually trying to fuck them.

(1): Yes, this is perfectly normal when you are the same age as them but that is just being a horny teenager. When you mature up you should then also realize that they are not fully developed yet (And are quite frankly much better when they are older) and should not be should not be sexually desired because:

A: They are not fully developed yet and are not physically ready for sex.

B: They are not mentally ready for sex and have not matured enough.

C: They are most probably prepubescent.

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(2): It is illegal for a reason, those reasons being pretty much stated above.

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(3): Most of the time it does, if it was not for law there would be rape, stealing, murder and other atrocities being committed rampantly all over the place (Even more than what is occurring in the world now). It is wrong to steal is it not? It is also wrong to find underage people sexually attractive.

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(4): I did grow up, that is probably why I don't find underage girls sexually attractive. I also believe that the subject of sexual attraction of adults to minors is unanimously considered wrong by a large majority of the world.

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(5): No, it is not but that doesn't stop it from being a bad thing.

[Optimus]

Shotgun Guy said:

I find turn based RPGs really boring.

True, at least the Final Fantasy style of battle, I never understood the fuzz about the series. I tried to play their most popular, FF7. Was ok, maybe I would play more and the story would make it interesting. But left it. Might try again later.

But as far as turn based, I found out I only love tactical RPGs. I started with Shinning Force and now I discover more.

[Optimus]

GoatLord said:

• Video games are generally kidding themselves by trying to have "deep" narratives.

That one, for sure!

It's so funny if you think, cinematic comes in, the hero is full of emotion, shocked to have seen someone dying, etc. Then in the game, you just shoot five hundred people like it's nothing. Cracks me up!
Also, NPC is telling you something important and you jump around, throwing objects on him, like in HL2. Haha yeah immersion. Haha, games are art they say? If they were totally interactive movies maybe. But we wanna play, not watch a movie.

[Koko Ricky]

I feel as though mrthejoshmon is blowing things out of proportion. I don't surf for underage porn or even flirt with young girls. I simply have an impulsive mental reaction to seeing females with any sign of a figure. I don't fantasize or pop a boner, I simply think, she's cute, glance and move on. To call that wrong is absurd. I have the audacity to admit to things that are frequently considered taboo, because I have nothing to hide and do not conduct myself inappropriately in that regard.

[Blastfrog]

To throw in a controversial opinion of my own, I have serious doubts about the jury system. I think it opens up too many opportunities for small, biased groups of people to rule on cases in unjust ways. I understand that the idea is to represent the will of the people, but I think protection of minorities via some standardized set of laws is more important than what sometimes amounts to mob rule, especially when the case involves some kind of persistent rift in society like race issues.

dew said:

Yes, I do realize all of that. So what? Background knowledge doesn't change how bad the movie is.

I must apologize, I assumed that you assumed that it was a standalone movie and were criticizing Dune as a whole, which is asinine of me.

Optimus said:

Haha, games are art they say?

I think even shallow and/or deliberately shit works are art. If the subject causes some kind of emotional reaction and was deliberately constructed in some way, it's art. Art doesn't have to be good, deep or "moving" to be art, it just has to meet the basic qualifications, it's just an expression of human thought.

[Doomkid]

BaronOfStuff said:

You gotta be fuckin' kidding me! The NES Mega Man games have some of the tightest and most responsive controls around, and mid-air movement is no different to moving on the ground!

My apologies - I don't mean to give the wrong impression, Mega Man and Castlevania both are some of the best games around. I think I'm too used to being able to run really fast from the Mario titles. Then you've got Sonic which takes things in the opposite direction, shit goes way too fast. Again, fun games, but Super Mario World's control is just perfect, for me personally.

GreyGhost said:

if I had to choose between being governed by Abbott's pack of fiscal sociopaths or the Taliban - I'd flip a coin.

Ugh, seconded..

GoatLord said:

• Video games are generally kidding themselves by trying to have "deep" narratives.
• Drugs--specifically psychoactive ones--are a better use of one's time than lovemaking.
• God is not an absurd concept if you define God without anthropomorphism.
• Racism can be hilarious, and if we all embraced how hilarious it is, racism would cease to exist.
• There's nothing wrong with the ending to "The Sopranos."
• It's okay to hit a woman for the same defensive reason you would hit a man.
• Kim Kardashian is average looking at best.
• Jeff Goldblum is sexy.

I agree with all of these to some extent. About the God one - 'God' isn't really the right word if it isn't anthropomorphised, is it? I get what you're saying, but then it comes down to using a more appropriate term than 'God', simply because of the implications.

Drug use is great for some of us, but some simply cannot handle it - Then you also get into the discussion, "Which drugs are good and which are bad?" To which I would respond, pot and LSD are the only two I think are worth a damn. The rest tend to turn people into "super enlightened bro's" at best and literally put holes in your brain at worst. Again, it's a topic with a lot of depth, so please don't read me wrong - I think things like the 'war on drugs' are fucking retarded, and I'm overall really liberal when it comes to my stance on drugs as a whole.

Oh, and about the Kardashians...

[Sokoro]

FireFish said:

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- Lets (focus) show a black guy in a stormtrooper outfit for the starwars teaser, cause disney's not racist !

WTF? I thought stormtroopers were all cloned from a single caucasian male? are they retarded?

[Blastfrog]

Sokoro said:

WTF? I thought stormtroopers were all cloned from a single caucasian male? are they retarded?

No, the clones of the Clone Wars were clones of Fett. Stormtroopers are just regular dudes in uniform.

Besides, who's to say they cannot perform genetic engineering if they're able to mass produce clones? I imagine they could easily have had created a black variant if they felt like it.

[AkiraZXE]

No, the guy who played Jango Fett was half-Maori or something, and they based his character on him. Jango was the base for the clone troopers and first-generation stormtroopers. After the Kamino uprising, which took place many years before the first movie, the Empire moved from having a single, centralized cloning facility with a single source to multiple facilities with multiple sources. They also began recruiting non-cloned humans.

[FireFish]

It probably just means ; Black dude stole a stormtrooper suit.

[Sokoro]

So how is it with the age of consent? I briefly read a wiki and it varies a lot acros the globe, typical humans, can not agree on anything. Here in czech republic, if I remember it right, as long as both of them are 15 years or more then they can have a sex, so even 45 years old can have sex with 16 years old girl, am I right? I also read that in USA the laws apply even if you travel to different country, so if someone is living in a state where the age of consent is 18+, and then he travels to czech republic to have sex with our 17 years old girl, then it would still be illegal?

[FireFish]

Sokoro said:

So how is it with the age of consent? I briefly read a wiki and it varies a lot acros the globe, typical humans, can not agree on anything. Here in czech republic, if I remember it right, as long as both of them are 15 years or more then they can have a sex, so even 45 years old can have sex with 16 years old girl, am I right? I also read that in USA the laws apply even if you travel to different country, so if someone is living in a state where the age of consent is 18+, and then he travels to czech republic to have sex with our 17 years old girl, then it would still be illegal?

The age of concent for minors means ; with under-aged people around the same age, not adults.

And this counts for almost any western country on the planet. If you are a legal adult, 18 and up in most western
countries, while you have sex with somebody aged 16 or 17 you literally committed a crime and could be threated
as a pedophile in court.

wikipedia : Czech Republic
Additionally, the section of the new Czech penal code 40/2009 Sb. about "crimes against family and children" contains § 202 which criminalizes a "seducing to sexual intercourse" aimed at persons under 18 years with any promise or provide of payment, benefit/privilege or profit for a sexual intercourse, masturbation, exposure or similar behaviour. This regulation was added to the old Czechoslovak penal code (140/1961 Sb.) adopted by the Czech Republic as § 217a by the amendment Czech act No. 218/2003 Sb. efficient since 2004 January 1.

[Doomkid]

FireFish said:

If you are a legal adult, 18 and up in most western countries, while you have sex with somebody aged 16 or 17 you literally committed a crime and could be threated as a pedophile in court.

I hate this shit, there should be some kind of 'buffer zone' for people aged 18-22 who have a partner that is 16-17. But you know, that would make too much sense, which generally doesn't seem to matter, sadly..

[Yuki Senmatsu]

It feels like everything I do backfires.

[Sokoro]

That sounds like a stupid law, for 17 years of my life and even for long time before that, it was fine, and then sudenly in 2004 they change it? 2004 was the year we entered european union, is it some law passed from EU? What does the EU try to achieve? To make all countries same?

It is almost as if the laws would not be the ultimate truth about what is wrong, what is right and how the things should be, but rather a tool for those in power to control our lives. Ah wait, that is exactly how it is! Maybe let some unbiased advanced A.I. to control nations instead of filthy humans?

I thought that sexual acts between one, two or more persons is a private thing and no one else should talk into that.
(Wait, if that is true then why do people bother homosexuals about being homosexuals? Ah wait, I forgot the world is full of bullshit)
What are they going to do next? Order us how we should clean our teeths?

If the person aged 15-18 years is old enought to be ready for sex with another 15-18 years old, then why would it be different with someone aged 25years?

I never had sex when I was 15-18years old, so how am I going to catch up now when I am 25+? Well it does not matter that much anyway, I can start with 18 years old :) It is just three years, not much of difference.

[dew]

FireFish said:

The age of concent for minors means ; with under-aged people around the same age, not adults.

And this counts for almost any western country on the planet. If you are a legal adult, 18 and up in most western
countries, while you have sex with somebody aged 16 or 17 you literally committed a crime and could be threated
as a pedophile in court.

I don't know if you're so hilariously oblivious about the law code of your own country, or if something's getting terribly lost in translation here because of your bad English, but as a fellow Czech, I'm just gonna stop you right there, so you don't spread misconceptions.

In this country an adult can have consenting sex with a 15yo. It's only criminal if there's seduction with any promise of payment, profit or benefit. It's funny, because that's exactly what your wiki quote says, yet you contradict it with your "lawyer opinion" right above it. And yes, there are similar laws in most EU countries.

The "grey zone" Doomkid talks about exists, but it't the unfortunate "turning 15" point. If two kids having sex are both 14, it's alright in the face of law, but the moment one of them reaches 15 (say, mid-intercourse for more absurdity), it becomes abuse of a minor. Kinda stupid, but the lawmakers haven't been able to word the law better.

I'm going to explain this to you in our native language, so there's no misunderstanding: Když má občanku, můžeš do ní jít. Ale neslibuj, že jí za to napíšeš domácí úkoly.

[joe-ilya]

Doom2 is the best game ever.

[FireFish]

dew said:

I don't know if you're so hilariously oblivious about the law code of your own country, or if something's getting terribly lost in translation here because of your bad English, but as a fellow Czech, I'm just gonna stop you right there, so you don't spread misconceptions.

In this country an adult can have consenting sex with a 15yo. It's only criminal if there's seduction with any promise of payment, profit or benefit. It's funny, because that's exactly what your wiki quote says, yet you contradict it with your "lawyer opinion" right above it. And yes, there are similar laws in most EU countries.

The "grey zone" Doomkid talks about exists, but it't the unfortunate "turning 15" point. If two kids having sex are both 14, it's alright in the face of law, but the moment one of them reaches 15 (say, mid-intercourse for more absurdity), it becomes abuse of a minor. Kinda stupid, but the lawmakers haven't been able to word the law better.

I'm going to explain this to you in our native language, so there's no misunderstanding: Když má občanku, můžeš do ní jít. Ale neslibuj, že jí za to napíšeš domácí úkoly.

A : I am not Czech.

B : My English has a few minor flaws, but it tends to be correct.

C : An adult can never legally have sex with a minor where i live, and most western countries. Or how else could
somebody in his 20's or 30's end up in jail for fucking a 15 year old kid, or visiting a under-aged consenting
prostitute... think with the fact in mind about this being the world-wide-web before you write.

D : If the Czech republic allows any adult to have sex with a 14 or 15 year old, then that is such an anomaly in the
west that the Czech republic truly remains a unique country holding on to its own cultures. And maybe they could
prove the world wrong or get forced by Europe to change that when global sex tourism picks up on it.

E : Google translate of your 'native' explanation ;
When a citizen, you can go into it. But not promise that she write it for homework.

[Koko Ricky]

I apologize for my blatant derailing.

[Phml]

From Wikipedia:

"The ages of consent vary by jurisdiction across Europe. The ages of consent are currently set between 13 and 18. The vast majority of countries set their ages between 14 and 16"

I'm not interested enough in having sex with fifteen years olds to keep up with the law technicalities, but it took me all of two minutes of Googling to find this.

[dew]

FireFish said:

A : I am not Czech.

I apologize for that assumption, but perhaps you could stop making stupid claims about our laws then.

C : An adult can never legally have sex with a minor where i live, and most western countries. Or how else could
somebody in his 20's or 30's end up in jail for fucking a 15 year old kid, or visiting a under-aged consenting
prostitute... think with the fact in mind about this being the world-wide-web before you write.

Perhaps you are the one who should think before he makes wild sweeping assumptions about "most western countries", because he feels so goddamn entitled to speak for the entire world. You are not as all-knowing as you think.

D : If the Czech republic allows any adult to have sex with a 14 or 15 year old, then that is such an anomaly in the
west that the Czech republic truly remains a unique country holding on to its own cultures. And maybe they could
prove the world wrong or get forced by Europe to change that when global sex tourism picks up on it.

Oh, so now my country is some freak pedoland, eh? Let's take a look!

The highlighted age is that at which, or above which, an individual can engage in unfettered sexual relations with another who is also at or above that age.

Austria: 14
Belarus: 16
Bulgaria: 14
Croatia: 15, has close-in-age exception to avoid the 14->15 absurdity
Czech Republic: 15
Denmark: 15
Estonia: 14
France: 15
Germany: 14
Greece: 15, has a 3 year close-in-age exception
Hungary: 14, has close-in-age exception between 12-18yos.
Ireland: 17, working on bringing it down to 16
Latvia: 16
Lithuania: 16
Netherlands: 16, close-in-age exceptions decided by prosecutors
Norway: 16, close-in-age exceptions decided by courts
Poland: 15
Romania: 15, 3y close-in-age eception, sexual acts with no penetration allowed at 13
Russia: Screw this, I'm not studying all those ridiculous exceptions. Says 16. Probably 100 for gay people.
Serbia: 14
Slovakia: 15
Slovenia: 15
Sweden: 15, close-in-age exception
Switzerland: 16, 3 year close-in-age exception
Turkey: 18, sex with 15-17 yos only prosecutable after a complaint
Ukraine: 16
United Kingdom: 16

Many European countries further specify protective exceptions for mentally immature persons who "can't comprehend" what's going on and therefore cannot consent. "Paying for it" exceptions are also present often, as are punishments for "persons of trust" like teachers or doctors.

Wanna retract your earlier statements?

[FireFish]

just to clear up my side ;

Germany, Belgium, Netherlands (to name 'only' 3 european states), and many states forming the U.S. ;
1 ; minors with an age decided by law can legally have sex with minors around the same age as long as there is consent.
2 : adults (18+) can NOT legally have sex with a minor (-18), even with consent.

Fuck with a minor while being an adult and you are playing with fire, and the good will of the parents...
Still do not believe me, television might help to simplify this ;

1 : The U.S. has a show named "To catch a predator", they used 16 and 17 year olds to catch people in their
30's and jail them for attempting to have illegal sex with minors...

2 : Why are there no porn movies with minors if they can legally fuck adults ?
because you go to jail for owning them in almost the entirety of Europe, and the U.S.

3 : Why are there people in jail or in court while being 30 for fucking a 16 year old ?
yes, because in many western countries / states the age of consent is divided between ; minors and adults.

Thank you for reading, these where my unpopular opinions based upon facts.
If your country allows otherwise, then i am not judging anybody, not dew, not the Czech republic, nobody.

[dew]

FireFish said:

Germany, Belgium, Netherlands (to name 'only' 3 european states), and many states forming the U.S. ;
1 ; minors with an age decided by law can legally have sex with minors around the same age as long as there is consent.
2 : adults (18+) can NOT legally have sex with a minor (-18), even with consent.

Link me to your goddamn source or fuck off. I just spent 30 minutes reading up on it on wiki to make sure I'm not missing something, but nope. Your claims about Europe are starting to be contrarian and entirely going against available facts. To translate: you are lying.

Still do not believe me, television might help to simplify this ;
1 : The U.S. has a show named "To catch a predator" while using 16 and 17 year olds to catch people in their 30's and jail them...

I've never uttered a word about sexual intercourse inside of United States of Prudery. It doesn't matter to me, because it doesn't affect reality in Europe.

2 : Why are there no porn movies with minors if they can legally fuck adults ?

Now you are being thick. You've quoted the law of my country and I've told you at least twice. Porn is considered exploitative, therefore minors cannot consent to it.

3 : Why are there people in jail or in court while being 30 for fucking a 16 year old ?
yes, because in most western countries / states the age of consent is divided between ; minors and adults.

Oh wow, now you're going full retard. How about rape? Exploitation? Breaching a position of trust? Soliciting? Law is more complex than just checking over/under of a number.

Thank you for reading, these where my unpopular opinions based upon facts.

You wish.

[Stupid Bunny]

GoatLord said:

I apologize for my blatant derailing.

Well, it's a thread called "unpopular opinions", so a spectacular derailment was due at some point anyway.

[FireFish]

If you are definitely 18+ (say 20 to 30) i dare you to come and fuck a 14 or 15 year old 'consenting' girl or boy in Belgium,
the Netherlands, Germany, or France, while i know when and where so i can call the cops on you, get their parents, take with
you some nude pictures of minors around their 14, 15, and 16 for added drama... i will eat popcorn and watch the show
unfold as they beat the shit out of you.

i am not wasting energy on this, nor do i feel the need to have a forum fight.

If YOUR nation / country / republic allows it then i am NOT JUDGING you.

[Phml]

Age of consent is 15 in France, has been since the 1950s. Child pornography and child enticement are different issues.

As for police brutality in France, HA! The second our cops dare look at someone the wrong way, people scream bloody murder. :)

[dew]

FireFish, I am calling you out. Either provide sources for your information, or stop lying. Are you even European? I'm not letting you get away with spreading misinformation and acting all superior. Your ideas about life in Europe are extremely misguided and you'd do better to stop claiming you know anything about it.

EDIT: Belgian, then. Well, age of consent in your country is 16. Anyone (edit: above the age of 16) can waltz into Belgium and start having sex with horny 16yos. They're criminally responsible starting 16, so why wouldn't they be allowed to have sex?

[FireFish]

believe what you want to believe then, if you want to fuck a 16 year old as a 40 year old then that is your problem.

if you claim to live in those 3 countries, then just ask yourself ;
why don't you know anybody over 30 who is fucking a 15 or 16 year old, because they would be happy to tell
anybody and shout it from the rooftops... right ?

Focus point ;
If the parents file a complaint against a 40 year old man, he can go to court for sex with
minors, as the legal guardians have the final say over minors (-18). And this is what many people seem to
forget (for the 3 mentioned countries).

I respect your opinions, different laws, i do not judge you... So please take a break, relax, let of some steam,
and stop flaming about this. If i made a small or just plain retarded mistake then there is Google, the news,
and the law-books to prove me wrong. i repeat ; if i made a mistake then i made one. i am not a superiority troll.

- i end my side in this before the mods or admins have to.