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Gaming Journalism 2014: Blogs For Cash

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Here's the problem. The term "slut" implies the act of promiscuity is, in itself, the sin. I think she can bang as many dudes as she wants and I won't judge her on that. It wasn't the sex that was the problem - it was the deception and lack of faithfulness. Totally different issue. The term "slut" means nothing regarding her faithfulness or her honesty. To call her a slut is to say that the act of having lots of sex with lots of different people is, in itself, wrong.

Repeat those circumstances, having sex with a bunch of different guys, but either be completely honest with your partner who is oddly okay with it, or simply not be in a relationship in the first place, and the problem is resolved. Same amount of sex with the same amount of people, but she wouldn't have done anything wrong, nor deserved a negative label. So that's why I have a problem with the term "slut." Because slut isn't a label in regards to anything other than to how much sex she had. Some people like to be more noble and say that yes, it is about the circumstances, but generally speaking, when people use the word slut, they simply mean it to say that being promiscuous is in itself wrong, regardless of circumstances.

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Bucket said:

(1) I don't remember vocally supporting manipulation, though it seems you're defining it as skepticism. In that case, yes. I'm manipulating people by requiring evidence to believe things.

How's your malware coming along?

Tarnsman said:

As for the naked pictures? They're professionally shot porn. Porn is created with the intent to be redistributed. This is not some photos her boyfriend took of her in private, it's porn. If you don't want naked pictures of you, specifically created for other people to view, to be viewed, don't fucking make porn.

Haven't seen them. SuicideGirls, I guess? Would fit the image.

Tarnsman said:

Lying to a sexual partner who you are having protectionless sex with about your sexual history is a shitty thing to do and is wrong.

Thank you. My point all along.

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geekmarine said:

The reason I bring up the stereotype about men loving sex and women hating it is because of how it relates to our perception of the situation. The assumption that she's using sex for leverage follows from that assertion that women don't naturally like sex

No. When a man sleeps around in a professional environment, it's more common that he's leveraging power he already has. Such as every man who has helped her since sleeping with her. It's usually not feasible (though not impossible) that a man's sexuality could further him professionally because there's just not a lot of value placed upon it, in society's eyes. To put it simply, when situations like this come up, it's her intimacy and his position which are the perceived valuable traits. Again, not a single fucking thing about whether or not she enjoyed it. At all. It's irrelevant. The assumption that she can't both do something she enjoys and get something out of it is, at best, willful ignorance. Not that it matters though, nobody's gonna be held accountable, too many people willing to jump to the rescue of the supposed damsel in distress and ignore everything else, ironically. In the end though, it's not me it's going to harm.

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Well when the extent of the leverage is a couple of little blurbs, as far as I've seen, it just doesn't really strike me as really being the motivating factor here. If she got anything out of the deal, it seems more like an afterthought, rather than what motivated her to have sex with the guys in the first place. It's the difference between, say, going to the store to pick up groceries, and grabbing a pack of gum in the checkout line because you're already there.

I ain't defending her character, make no mistake about that. I just don't feel comfortable leaping to the conclusion regarding the accusations against her without real, solid evidence. That's just the way I operate. I always go by the standard of innocent until proven guilty, and so far, at best we have circumstantial evidence. You can argue all you want about how one can connect the dots, but I prefer to reserve judgment until something more concrete is shown.

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Tarnsman said:

Also can we not call this slut-shamming. Slut-shamming is when a woman dresses provocatively and you tell her she deserves to be raped, or she enjoys open casual sex or you know non-harmless activities and that some how makes her a horrible person.

And the second instance is exactly what's going on here. The internet denizens despise this woman for having a libido. Her bedroom activities could only have been a financial transaction carried out with men who provided value - not the actions of a human being with complicated sexual needs. Women are sex vending machines: money goes in, candy comes out.

We're told that her indiscretions are not the core issue, but the case for her exchanging for favors HINGES on this character evidence. Like I said, begging the question.

Belial said:

How's your malware coming along?

So you're defending your wrong idea of me using something else about me you got wrong. WRONGCEPTION

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Tarnsman said:

As for the naked pictures? They're professionally shot porn. Porn is created with the intent to be redistributed. This is not some photos her boyfriend took of her in private, it's porn. If you don't want naked pictures of you, specifically created for other people to view, to be viewed, don't fucking make porn.

Oh shit, hahaha. I was told to google her nudes a few days ago and, being a pigdog male and all, I obliged, expecting a badly illuminated sideboob photo or two from her ex-bf's mobile. Instead, GIS hits me with a series of hi-res shots from the same porn movie. I clench my fist and yell "curse you, shitty google, I want my blurry SJW tits!", failing to realize what I'm looking at. Then later geo here mentions her nude photos she took as a model and I take a look again, hoping for those artsy, b&w nipples getting indexed already. Nope, still the same group of chicks swarming one guy's dick until it distributes candy. I just didn't get it.

So yeah, thanks for the explanation, it's funny how my misogynic MRAtarded brain couldn't add 1+1 together. This whole affair is even more hilarious and melodramatic than I thought. Now I wonder if the ex-bf knew about that. Model, hahaha. So, Bucket, was that pro bono as well?

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Its not journalism if you never leave your house to report on it.

My Steam friend told me he got banned from Depression Quest's forum for blindly asking why is everyone talking about Five Guys?

He didn't know. Ban. Weird the reviews haven't been banned, except the reviews that post her nudes and post that wordpress from her ex bf.

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Bucket said:

And the second instance is exactly what's going on here.


No it's not. Cheating on your boyfriend and then lying to him about your sexual history during protectionless sex is completely different than mutually agreed upon casual sex.

The neckbeard collective maybe collectively shitting themselves because she enjoyed cock but the attacks against her are not aimed at her casual promiscuity. They're framed as attacks either towards the cheating aspect (which is something worthy of scorn - not full on witch hunt harassment - but something that can universally be considered bad) or the weird baseless nepotism claims that they randomly made up because they appear nowhere in the original blog post.

Edit: Also she didn't just cheat on him she full on abused the guy and practically gas lighted him. It is entirely possible for people's reaction to totally unjustified AND for the person being attacked to be a shitty person.

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Nope, not taking your bait.
There will always be the unwashed masses who derive some childish satisfaction from raining "SLUT BITCH CUNT" onto every comment thread. But if she were just some cheater, she wouldn't be plastered over the front pages of gaming journalism sites. That's not what the scandal is about; that's not what this thread is about. I know it and you know it.

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This is about a woman in gaming doing something the neckbeard collective didn't like. It's not inherently about her having lots of sex. There have been plenty of cases of the internet losing its shit over women online before this completely unrelated to sex.

To call this slut-shamming ignores the real problem here. If the people she slept with weren't part of websites that said collective hates, if she wasn't a SJW, if she wasn't a content creator and an evil super-nazi for being an indie dev, this reaction would be MUCH tamer.

We are witnessing a riot in internet form and just like the LA Riots weren't really about racism and any sports riot really isn't about your team winning or losing, people just needed an excuse to go apeshit and unleash their pent up aggression towards a whole slew of things they hate. That excuse was the post. There is a reason why they're attacking people not named Zoe Quinn too.

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Why can't we execute her and everyone else involved so we can stop talking about it? That would prevent all parties involved from fucking up again and again. Then take down the game and make a virus to delete it off everyone's PC.

Internetazism.

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In an effort to stay away from any controversy, I will whittle this down to the title of the thread: "Blogs for cash".

This is very disturbing, because Internet media was a promise for a lot of us that it wouldn't take Herculean efforts to get press on an issue that we felt that needed addressing, or promotional materials (this is especially true for gaming journalism sites) but now it looks like that old media's ugly head, through "human nature", has fostered the old media mentality once again. That exact "old media dinosaur" everyone hates these days.

I recently had the terrible experience of trying to contact several gaming sites for promotion of a gaming project for which I am involved, which I won't be naming here. I had promotional materials almost ready, a video almost ready (which won't happen since my "new" PC has a fried video card), and I had sent emails to several locations. No answers. Some had an automatic "thanks for your email!" sent back to me, but that was it. No human ever answered my email, no human wanted to talk to me. And if this is why, then Internet Journalism is dead as far as video gaming is concerned.

If anything else ,besides the standard, legal forms of communication, is required to get press, reviews, even a mention of a game, mod, or otherwise, then why even bother? Do we have to prepare press releases, videos, or anything that marketing schools say consistently is the most effective way to get publicity? Or is "knowing a guy" all it takes?

Think of all the hard work that some indie devs put into getting their games noticed. It's so much that some find it obnoxious - but that's what's required, in the age of the Internet. Unless you go the "new and improved" way, which is, fork over some cash, or know someone in the business. That sounds just like old media, which the Internet was supposed to destroy.

And now with gaming journalism sites getting this terrible reputation, even if it's not deserved, what happens to those devs that get a mention on those sites? Do they have to worry about a "backlash" because of the recent events? What's stopping readers from claiming that said devs did "favours" or back-room deals to get an article?

None of these questions have been answered satisfactorily for me. They probably never will, either.

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Quick but relevant question: Does this extend beyond Kotaku, insofar as gaming journalism is concerned? That is, the "conspiracy," not the obvious blowout.

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Membrain said:

Quick but relevant question: Does this extend beyond Kotaku, insofar as gaming journalism is concerned? That is, the "conspiracy," not the obvious blowout.

Technically. The Kotaku guy also writes for Rock Paper Shotgun. Actually, does anyone know if this is the norm? Is it usual for online writers to be, erm, promiscuous and write articles here and there? It already sounds like all these people know each other, bump into each other constantly... if there's also a blurred line between the jobs themselves, that's one hell of a social club.

Bucket said:

Nope, not taking your bait.
There will always be the unwashed masses who derive some childish satisfaction from raining "SLUT BITCH CUNT" onto every comment thread. But if she were just some cheater, she wouldn't be plastered over the front pages of gaming journalism sites. That's not what the scandal is about; that's not what this thread is about. I know it and you know it.

"I KEEP MY FAITH DESPITE YOUR TEMPTATIONS!" You introduce serious leaps of faith in your reasoning just to keep doubt out of your mind.

EDIT: Wrong quote name, apologies to Membrain.

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So the story is this dude meets a lady that's part of the gaming industry over a dating site at around the time or right after she was, according to her own account, being harassed due to the game she was making. (He signed up to the dating service in November, but near the end of July he talks about their 7 months, according to Google his birthday, the day they first met, seems to be December 19.)

So, these two have a relatively brief relationship, not much time to really form a serious bond, which also seems to be the guy's first ever journey of the heart ("the one person I’d ever managed to fall in love with"), before she gives him the cold shoulder after he finds out the harsh complexity behind promises and principles made in the heat of love that is shared between troubled hearts, which aren't necessarily all that solid, given the evidence that she was having bodily intercourse with other people related to her industry (which isn't in itself too surprising because people mostly get attached to those they hang out with, except the occasional weirdo out of a dating service).

His response is exposing her publicly, or opening the doors to the potential destruction of the offender's public image and career: You refuse to be my private fuck thing and to continue this incipient relationship. Never mind telling you to fuck off and getting a better girlfriend. You should have reformed, repenting your sinful and impure lust or social and material needs linked to other men in riper positions, as I had instructed. Now pay the price, for I have no better idea than to engage myself in tilting at the windmills of your unacceptable infidelity!

There's some irony there because at one point he accuses her of being "paranoid" that he may expose her publicly.

Otherwise, I suppose it could be explained if Gjoni were to have been hired or coerced to expose her so that it ruins one of the guys she was fucking, by request of some rival in the industry. This idea sounds particularly eerie considering he says she mentions a possible mole among her friends, at one point.

Technician said:
The whole wizardchan scam is what put this girl in focus. Her rallying and sending her personal army after http://www.thefineyoungcapitalists.com/Voting and filing a false DMCA against MundaneMatt just added gas to the fire.

It's funny how the TFYC site paints a video game industry scene where most women wouldn't get far without at least some feminine charm or slutty skills, since they practically have less than 10% of the effective power (and probably less in terms of financial ownership) and the video in the first post speaks of a veritable whorehouse environment, yet the solution to this problem is slamming the whore as an exemplar punishment. It's like hounding pot smokers for the drug trade. It's like many policies against prostitution, where the people offering their bodies, including human-traffic victims, are criminalized while those that manage the resulting money mostly stay at a certain distance or gang up with cops and politicians.

Tarnsman said:
Basking in your own bloated hedonism makes you a slut. It's the difference between the person who occasionally has a drink and someone who is a full blown alcoholic, the latter is a problem worthy of scorn and correcting.

Slut tends to imply submissive behavior, or it's used to try to impose that. If anything, it leads to mostly unenjoyable prostitution or promiscuity, as it's linked to a needy type of whoredom or sexual responsiveness caused by being softened, especially at a younger age. Just like nigger and the like, though, it can sometimes be used in friendly environments, endearingly, in playful submissiveness or to imply lust akin to a strong need.

Technician said:
Every outlet is defending her and deleting any opposition.

Maybe they don't like the idea of getting sued to oblivion? Some shitty blog posted somewhere doesn't mean anything except trouble to most sites with a recognizable business, unless they just channel info loosely.

dew said:
Nope, still the same group of chicks swarming one guy's dick until it distributes candy. I just didn't get it.

Hey, are you talking about those pictures with some lucky guy wearing a necklace (I guess it's a military id tag) and three servicing ladies, one called Amy Quinn and another Zoe Rush, or what? Heh, ironically the blonde that looks anything like Zoe Quinn doesn't share any part of her name.

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myk said:

Hey, are you talking about those pictures with some lucky guy wearing a necklace (I guess it's a military id tag) and three servicing ladies, one called Amy Quinn and another Zoe Rush, or what? Heh, ironically the blonde that looks anything like Zoe Quinn doesn't share any part of her name.

Ohh, I apologize for the mistake then. Disregard the pertinent posts, I suck cocks. Serves me right for browsing porn at work.

Slut tends to imply submissive behavior, or it's used to try to impose that. If anything, it leads to mostly unenjoyable prostitution or promiscuity, as it's linked to a needy type of whoredom or sexual responsiveness caused by being softened, especially at a younger age. Just like nigger and the like, though, it can sometimes be used in friendly environments, endearingly, in playful submissiveness or to imply lust akin to a strong need.

I'm pretty certain you've got this one wrong. There's nothing submissive in "slut", it's actually used for guys sleeping around a lot as well.

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For more comedic gold, here's someone's Imgur account of the cyberstalking incident. Some precious quotes:

"To harass someone, you need to be in the presence of (or communicate with) the person in question."
"For what she knows, the two guys [who insulted her] never played another game in their life."
"Yes, there are people out there who like to spend a good portion of their time pissing off anonymous people they will never know or meet."

That's some fine detective work, Lou.
http://imgur.com/a/4VOcx

dew said:

"I KEEP MY FAITH DESPITE YOUR TEMPTATIONS!" You introduce serious leaps of faith in your reasoning just to keep doubt out of your mind.

If you're talking about my "faith" in what can be empirically proven, then yes. My reasoning is well rooted in it.

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dew said:
I'm pretty certain you've got this one wrong. There's nothing submissive in "slut", it's actually used for guys sleeping around a lot as well.

It's used that way as in a group of friends hanging out together when one is pretty promiscuous, or between a couple playfully, but not that much in pornography or prostitution. I hadn't even looked at the Wikipedia when I replied but it's agreeing pretty much with me. I'd argue that in porn, it tends to be tied to dressing up or styles that are cheaply erotic and in more lowly and gross behavior, like swallowing, or it's used to give orders. ("Hey slut, bend over!") In porn slut applies more to the ones that aren't attractive and charismatic enough to demand better conditions.

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dew said:

Technically. The Kotaku guy also writes for Rock Paper Shotgun. Actually, does anyone know if this is the norm? Is it usual for online writers to be, erm, promiscuous and write articles here and there? It already sounds like all these people know each other, bump into each other constantly... if there's also a blurred line between the jobs themselves, that's one hell of a social club.


My friend knew him as a journalist he said RPS wanted him out bad for being a dickbag and Kotaku took him in. Maybe I misheard my friend.

Some writers even have 2 names 2 personalities to write for different sites.

Seems like a lot of the sites meet each other at conventions. The only reason to ever leave the office or house.

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Tarnsman said:

We are witnessing a riot in internet form...


A riot on the internet seems severely overreacted. Nobody on the entire planet next to some readers of third grade websites which have nothing to even come close to actual
journalism, and some of the *chan websites known to contain only hate, gore, racism, pedophiles, and anything along that line which is capable to shock and anger people.

This seems to be an event localised entirely and ONLY inbewteen angry *chan users, Some people dragged in out of pure interest, and seemingly a hell of a lot of retarded
internet psychopats willing to atempt and destroy somebody's life, and those third grade gaming journalism websites

The real question people should ask themselves ;
'Why am i going to base myself, as an adult, on *Chan site users and psycho information from the INTERNET ?'


side note ;
i do not blame the chan site itself, i blame a certain kind of chock audiance posting there.

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Personally I never liked gaming news sites. Everything just seems so unimportant when 'its just a game'. They need to make stories and have talking points to stay relevant.

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@FireFish
I dunno m8. When sites like reddit, 4chan (not just /v/, but boards like /b/ and /pol/ are discussing this), gamefaqs, funnyjunk, and even the SJW hivemind tumblr are all agreeing on something and calling Zoe Quinn out and these are sites that normally hate each other quite a lot. Something pretty big is happening.

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reality 2.0 said:

@FireFish
I dunno m8. When sites like reddit, 4chan (not just /v/, but boards like /b/ and /pol/ are discussing this), gamefaqs, funnyjunk, and even the SJW hivemind tumblr are all agreeing on something and calling Zoe Quinn out and these are sites that normally hate each other quite a lot. Something pretty big is happening.

I would argue that /b/ and /pol/ making a big stink about something is pretty indicative of it being total horseshit, actually.

Actually, every name I recognize on that list is something I would put less than zero faith in the impartiality and intelligence of. "Oh, the hivemind tumblr says so! Well I'm convinced, it must be true!"

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Naturally, I couldn't give a shit about any of this crap, just another bit of fuckery by another asshole (That happens all day, everyday in the games industry).

What I do give a shit about is the SJW stupidity going on about this, that shit is comedy gold (especially when blows are traded amongst people with opposite views, that is where it gets interesting).

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dew said:

Ohh, I apologize for the mistake then. Disregard the pertinent posts, I suck cocks. Serves me right for browsing porn at work.

You probably had them in the search results though, look for a 3 stars tattoo.

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In that same vain, it is funny that we've seen females or men pretending to be females rise to prominence incredibly quickly in this community over the past decade and a half. It always seems to turn out hilarious one way or another

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Ralphis said:

In that same vain, it is funny that we've seen females or men pretending to be females rise to prominence incredibly quickly in this community over the past decade and a half. It always seems to turn out hilarious one way or another


Real women pretend to be men.

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esselfortium said:

I would argue that /b/ and /pol/ making a big stink about something is pretty indicative of it being total horseshit, actually.

Actually, every name I recognize on that list is something I would put less than zero faith in the impartiality and intelligence of. "Oh, the hivemind tumblr says so! Well I'm convinced, it must be true!"


I used to buy the mainstream message about 4chan being a bunch of pedophiles, neckbeards, etc., (mostly because I heard of the website from you crazies in EE :p) but I'm turning around.

They post facts and assumptions, nothing stops you from picking the facts and discarding their assumptions. I've been checking many of the sources quoted in their image recaps, and so far everything that hasn't been deleted (which they generally disclose) has checked out.

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