Woman Beheaded in Oklahoma

[rampancy]

Muslim, pissed off that he was fired, beheads his coworker and stabs another repeatedly. Supervisor, with gun, saves the life of second victim and possibly more.

Perhaps progressives should ban knives and angry people to enhance their feeling of safety.

https://news.yahoo.com/police-woman-beheaded-oklahoma-workplace-144459291.html

http://kfor.com/2014/09/25/reports-police-respond-to-possible-shooting-near-moore-grocery-store/

[dew]

If the woman converted to Islam and praised Allah, none of that would happen. Her fault. Death to USA.

[Csonicgo]

rampancy said:

Perhaps progressives should ban knives and angry people to enhance their feeling of safety.

Perhaps the posting Reductio ad absurdum fallacies right out of the gate in order to get people to bite this terrible bait should be labeled as shitposting.

[Technician]

*sigh* Why couldn't the Mekkans have defeated Muhammad at the battle of Medina? The world would have been much more quiet.

[geekmarine]

Let's see... recently converted to Islam, lost his job, then went on a rampage... sounds like the dude snapped, quite honestly. This has all the fingerprints of someone undergoing a severe mental breakdown. I suspect you want to make this an anti-Islam rant, but quite honestly, the conversion to Islam was probably tied to his likely mental health problems. Sane people don't do these things.

And I'll just totally gloss over the fact that conservatives have gutted our mental healthcare system, because it might not have made a difference, but it's worth noting that our current approach to mental healthcare is basically, "Deal with it," especially for people suffering from mental illness without relatives to look after them.

[Technician]

geekmarine said:

I suspect you want to make this an anti-Islam rant, but quite honestly, the conversion to Islam was probably tied to his likely mental health problems. Sane people don't do these things.

Mentally deranged people are more susceptible to Islamic conversion, therefore 1.6 billion people are insane. So statistically, around one in seven people are insane.

This is truly fascinating. Truly political correctness is suppressing this logic.

[Kontra Kommando]

I'm very pleased that the killer was shot multiple times with a rifle, instead of being taken into custody. True justice has been served.

[geekmarine]

Technician said:

Mentally deranged people are more susceptible to Islamic conversion, therefore 1.6 billion people are insane. So statistically, around one in seven people are insane.

This is truly fascinating. Truly political correctness is suppressing this logic.

Oh, I'm sorry, you're right, I should be absolutely respectful of all religious beliefs. A sudden mid-life change of religion is NEVER an indication of underlying mental health problems. it was probably completely unrelated, as too was him losing his job.

Look, okay, that was uncalled for, but let me put it this way - sudden and dramatic life changes are often a sign of severe mental illness. I'm not saying he's crazy because he changed to Islam - I'm saying ANY sudden change in religious beliefs is potentially a sign of something else going on - and oh hey, HE CUT A WOMAN'S HEAD OFF! Not exactly something a normal, well-adjusted person usually does.

You just can't consider these things in a vacuum. You can't say, "Okay, up until this moment, he was totally fine, but at this specific point in time he snapped." You have to look at the big picture - what was his job situation like, what about his family life, his religion, socializing, all of that. I was merely pointing out that there were several indicators that he had undergone a radical shift in personality, which is nearly always an indicator of mental illness. You're not going to try to tell me that sudden shifts in personality are normal, are you?

[Scripten]

Considering the guy was working at a meatpacking plant, it isn't too surprising that he did snap. Those jobs are shit.

[Technician]

It's OK, I'm being factitious. The man was nuts and Islam appeals to social rejects. Chances are if someone wasn't born into Islam or was forced at gun point, they are probably nuts.

[Maes]

So now any violent criminal can convert to Islam (before the fact, after the fact, it doesn't matter), and use that as proof of mental instability/illness in court, thus getting treated more leniently. Brilliant! You heard it first here on DW ;-)

Actually, some "solidal" leftists already use Islam as a justification for the actions of illegal immigrants, e.g. "But they are not used to such liberal customs in their countries, so they are easy to take offense, thus we, liberal westerners, must not provoke them", "They are not used to women's equality, so women should not provoke them by dressing as they usually do or walking in front of them or looking at them etc."


But if you say to them "Their countries suck so much because of Islam, so that's why they leave en-masse", which explains all of that, the "solidals" get butthurt and call you a fascist ;-)

[dew]

Maes said:

So now any violent criminal can convert to Islam (before the fact, after the fact, it doesn't matter), and use that as proof of mental instability/illness in court, thus getting treated more leniently. Brilliant! You heard it first here on DW ;-)

Actually, some "solidal" leftists already use Islam as a justification for the actions of illegal immigrants, e.g. "But they are not used to such liberal customs in their countries, so they are easy to take offense, thus we, liberal westerners, must not provoke them", "They are not used to women's equality, so women should not provoke them by dressing as they usually do or walking in front of them or looking at them etc."


But if you say to them "Their countries suck so much because of Islam, so that's why they leave en-masse", which explains all of that, the "solidals" get butthurt and call you a fascist ;-)

Imo Greece should shut up because it owes Europe a lot of moneys and therefore is inferior and needs to listen to superior Germany, which says that Muslims are our new overlords and Turkey is best.

[Doomkid]

rampancy said:

Perhaps progressives should ban knives and angry people to enhance their feeling of safety.

Nah, that sounds kinda retarded.

If gun control was a little more strict, the ratio of gun usage in a "postive" way as documented here would probably be much higher!

Kontra Kommando said:

I'm very pleased that the killer was shot multiple times with a rifle, instead of being taken into custody. True justice has been served.

I completely agree, this guy was a cold blooded murderer who needed to be put down. Good riddance.

[Technician]

Germany reaps what they sew.

[DeathevokatioN]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/09/breaking-muslims-shouting-praise-allah-surround-ok-police-following-press-conference-on-beheading/

I want to puke.

[geekmarine]

Maes said:

So now any violent criminal can convert to Islam (before the fact, after the fact, it doesn't matter), and use that as proof of mental instability/illness in court, thus getting treated more leniently. Brilliant! You heard it first here on DW ;-)

Yeah... not so much. The insanity defense might as well not exist in this country. There's been so much fearmongering over the potential for criminals to get off easy with an insanity plea that basically jurors refuse to even consider the possibility. I mean, you can have someone who's been clearly diagnosed with a mental illness in the past, off their medications, and expert testimony saying, "Yeah, this person wasn't even remotely in a right state of mind when the crime was committed," and it doesn't matter. There are just too many hoops to jump through, some of which are seemingly specifically designed to thwart people with legitimate mental illnesses. It's not even worth speculating about people faking it anymore. Like I remember one case where the argument was, "Well she claimed the devil told her to murder her children, and no one would listen to the devil, so she must be lying," of course completely missing the part that a major symptom of schizophrenia is irrational behavior (in other words, doing things that don't even make sense by that own person's sense of morality).

[Captain Red]

Kontra Kommando said:

I'm very pleased that the killer was shot multiple times with a rifle, instead of being taken into custody. True justice has been served.

No. It wasn't. Justice isn't what ever tickles the endorphins out of your rage glans like a primate, Justice is 'what's the best way to restore fairness?' Right now we have two dead bodies and a pile of assumptions about about the murders motives. Wouldn't it have been far more valuable alive so maybe doctors and sociologists could have figured out what the hell drove him to cut a woman head off and maybe he could have devoted his life to making sure others don't end up in the same mental space he did?

[rampancy]

Nah I just don't approve of beheading ladies at work. Others do apparently:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/09/breaking-muslims-shouting-praise-allah-surround-ok-police-following-press-conference-on-beheading/

Reductio ad absurdum? No that is called the logical next step. Logical to some, anyway. If this absurd, surely all this gun fear porn we are subjected to is as well.

Edit: ah DethevokatioN I see you beat me to it.

[Captain Red]

Yes, implying that I like seeing peoples heads cut off is a valid response the words I just said.

[rampancy]

Captain Red said:

Yes, implying that I like seeing peoples heads cut off is a valid response the words I just said.

Sorry that was not meant as a direct response to yourself. Personally I think him being shot was probably for the best though. It shows others what they can expect when they pull this crap in the states. I don't see any point in keeping this guy alive in a lab, we already know why he did it. His livelihood was at risk, and he snapped and gave up on life. It is basically suicide by cop, only he didn't make it that long. At least that is how it looks to me.

[geekmarine]

rampancy said:

Sorry that was not meant as a direct response to yourself. Personally I think him being shot was probably for the best though. It shows others what they can expect when they pull this crap in the states. I don't see any point in keeping this guy alive in a lab, we already know why he did it. His livelihood was at risk, and he snapped and gave up on life. It is basically suicide by cop, only he didn't make it that long. At least that is how it looks to me.

So let's see... dude has a mental breakdown and you're NOT interested in better understanding the causes, or what makes him different from someone who doesn't give up or whatever? You're not interested in understanding why some people can cope with stresses in their lives and others can't? It would seem to me that these would be incredibly important things to understand better, so that we can better intervene in the future before it gets to this point. Am I wrong for thinking early intervention is a bad idea? You know, catch the warning signs BEFORE anything serious happens, but hey that's just me.

[Zed]

rampancy said:

Sorry that was not meant as a direct response to yourself. Personally I think him being shot was probably for the best though. It shows others what they can expect when they pull this crap in the states. I don't see any point in keeping this guy alive in a lab, we already know why he did it. His livelihood was at risk, and he snapped and gave up on life. It is basically suicide by cop, only he didn't make it that long. At least that is how it looks to me.

What Captain Red and geekmarine said are probably two of the most important issues I have to be against dead penalty:

-First and most importantly: Justice is not revenge. As Captain Red said, the goal of justice is not to kick the shit out of those who, according to you, deserve it, it just doesn't get us anywhere, which brings me to the second one...
-as geekmareine said, we gain more if we find out what causes those individuals to act like they do, so we can prevent similar outcomes more easily in the future. Even if we can't "cure" them, we sure as hell going to learn a lot.

[rampancy]

It seems like he did it because he was enraged and lost control of himself. He felt victimized and chose to take it out on someone else. You can't cure or prevent this type of thing unless you are willing to force medicate the entire population.

He must've thought it made sense what he was doing which is probably a result of all these beheading videos. I surmise that if he had thought no one would accept his logic anywhere he may not have acted on it.

[Clonehunter]

Women should remain in the kitchen. If they don't radical extremists will kill them because Under Pressure. And I'm talking about the Used cover version.

[GreyGhost]

Technician said:

The man was nuts and Islam appeals to social rejects.

The evangelical churches, or any other cult you care name are also viable options for people looking for somewhere to belong.

[Technician]

DeathevokatioN said:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/09/breaking-muslims-shouting-praise-allah-surround-ok-police-following-press-conference-on-beheading/

I want to puke.

Just another day in Europe.

[ducon]

These guys are maybe muslims but they first are rogues, bastards, unbrained… who use this religion for their tendencies.

[geekmarine]

rampancy said:

It seems like he did it because he was enraged and lost control of himself. He felt victimized and chose to take it out on someone else. You can't cure or prevent this type of thing unless you are willing to force medicate the entire population.

You don't know much about mental illness, do you? Regular people don't just wake up one day and "turn bad." That doesn't happen, real life doesn't work like a movie or a comic book. Often there are signs for years before a major incident occurs that something is off in the person's brain. The thing is, as a nation, we don't really know that much about mental illness, and there's incredible stigma about it so no one wants to talk about it.

It's not like, "Oh, we need this vast, overreaching program that'd be unreasonably expensive and impossible to manage!" No, what we need is more education so that friends and family members can step in when something goes wrong. Look at it this way... if someone close to you broke their arm, you wouldn't hesitate in getting them to a hospital to get it treated. But when the mind is the thing affected, it's something people don't understand and even fear, and so they're much more willing to look the other way. That's what needs to change, and it wouldn't take all that much to change that attitude, we just need to be willing to talk about it.

[Quasar]

You guys whining about justice; if I ever have a gun and a lunatic's running at you with a knife, I'll be sure to not shoot. We'll wait for the police to get there so "justice" can be served. Sorry if you end up dead as a result. I mean after all that raging lunatic's life is every bit as preciously valuable as yours and the 10 other people he already killed anyway.

[dew]

Quasar said:

You guys whining about justice; if I ever have a gun and a lunatic's running at you with a knife, I'll be sure to not shoot. We'll wait for the police to get there so "justice" can be served. Sorry if you end up dead as a result. I mean after all that raging lunatic's life is every bit as preciously valuable as yours and the 10 other people he already killed anyway.

Are you trolling or something? No one claimed the guy shouldn't have shot the lunatic in self-defence. They disputed the claim that "justice has been served". This isn't Megacity One.