Massacre in Paris - Islamic Extremists Kill At least 12

[StevieWolfe]

sheridan said:

/pol/

One of the few times they manage to get it right.

[Technician]

StevieCybernetik said:

One of the few times they manage to get it right.

Implying /pol/ is ever wrong.

[FireFish]

Belgian news article
Mocking religion, not in America ;
While in Europe the aftershock from the attack on Charlie Hebdo resulted in calls about not bowing to terror against freedom of speech, the American media decided to censor or remove cartoons about Mohamed and those mocking the Islam. Is this censorship ?

This might be harsh ;
I hope this will fade away during 2.5 to 3 years until it is not really mentioned anymore like with most of the relatively small disasters spread around Europe. Currently 12 people lost their life which is a sad tragedy for their families and friends, but it might have well been part of the yearly car crashes their worth on victims. The last thing Europe needs is an awakening of police states or a severely heightened sense of nationality versus security.

I hope France keeps its head together and contains the paranoia without pushing Europe in its entirety. For fucks sake, Last year a bunch of Jews got shot in Brussels and now this in Paris...

[dg93]

FireFish said:

This might be harsh ;
I hope this will fade away during 2.5 to 3 years until it is not really mentioned anymore like with most of the relatively small disasters spread around Europe. Currently 12 people lost their life which is a sad tragedy for their families and friends, but it might have well been part of the yearly car crashes their worth on victims. The last thing Europe needs is an awakening of police states or a severely heightened sense of nationality versus security.

I hope France keeps its head together and contains the paranoia without pushing Europe in its entirety. For fucks sake, Last year a bunch of Jews got shot in Brussels and now this in Paris...

With the current situation of extremists, I just don't see attacks like this disappearing within 2.5 to 3 years.

[FireFish]

the_miano said:

With the current situation of extremists, I just don't see attacks like this disappearing within 2.5 to 3 years.

Yes, there might always be more attacks. To clarify ; I was referring to the media and the act of pushing the memory and their planned impact onto the people. The way i have always experienced it with abnormal disasters is them fading away from the media and mass attention after an approximate of 2 or 3 years depending on their type (natural, mechanical, mistake, attack).

The rest of what i had written should be straight forward.

[dew]

Phml said:

Free speech is well and truly dead in France. Not killed by AK47s in the streets, but by ideologues and politicians promoting this culture of vitriol, self-loathing, contempt and fear.

The next Charlie Hebdo issue will be supposedly printed in a million copies (with 45k being the regular number) and the price of their older issues skyrocketed, especially the ones with Islam jokes. I cannot say anything about what goes in "French communities", but all I see in the media are huge crowds of people mourning the dead and celebrating the freedom of press. Their pics get reprinted and I've noticed a strong sympathy wave in German media in particular. I see a huge manhnunt on par with the search for the Boston marathon bombers. I also see calls for not going on a witchhunt against all Muslims in general, as many of them join the mourning and condemn the terrorist attack. It's almost as if the terrorists completely failed in striking fear into the hearts of liberal Europe and they only created martyrs of the freedom cause. But maybe I'm too optimistic and the world is as sad and vitriolic as you say.

[Maes]

Well, let's see if you are "better" than a militant Islamic fanatic: does this shock you? (hint: it's was also made by Charlie Hebdo).

[j4rio]

dew said:

The next Charlie Hebdo issue will be supposedly printed in a million copies (with 45k being the regular number) and the price of their older issues skyrocketed, especially the ones with Islam jokes.

Heh, so it's true. The best thing an artist can do for his work is to die.

[Phml]

I cannot say anything about what goes in "French communities", but all I see in the media

Yes, we're well aware you get all your information from mainstream media, and base your expert opinion on superficial reading from third hand sources. I don't know why you're so intent on pointing your shortfallings in every topic.

What does your perception of German media has to do with my statement on the French climate?
How is my negative opinion of the French climate and positive opinion of the American climate a negative outlook of the world as a whole, considering France is 1/100th of the world?
Why must you act like such an incompetent fool in your overzealous attempts to attack everything I say, when there are plenty of sound arguments that could be made against what I say?
Can't you ever hit your target?

If you weren't completely clueless, you could have tried saying, I don't know:
- "patriotism has always been shunned in France, this is not a new thing"
- "it goes both ways, people are condemning those who divide between bigots and djihadists"
- "people are reacting emotionally and blaming their intuitive enemy, not unlike what you are doing yourself"

Arguments that would have some logic and truth to it. I might be able to come up with counterpoints, but I would have to actually think, rather than play point out the nonsense characteristic of your posting.

[dew]

You are a sorry, bitter creature. I actually like that you have such a passionate averse reaction to whatever I say, it just shows how irrational you actually are.

[Phml]

Now now, don't be like that baby, don't leave. Kind of dumb to play the "lol what a nerd why u so mad" card right after you've introduced yourself to this topic by dedicating a whole paragraph to one sentence of mine posted one page and one day ago, but we can look past that, yes we can. Do you want me to PM you some solid arguments? So it can look like those points came from you?

[dew]

Keep lashing out, maybe that will make you feel at least a little bit better in this cold, cruel world that so little resembles the days of yore when the French grass was greener. Actually wait, that's the colour of Islam, disregard that. Anyways, I'm here for you, my good fellow European! Stay strong!

[FireFish]

Nobody is a Fascist for having concerns about his country or even thinking about other cultures their birth rate. Nobody is saying "lets kick them in the nuts and shove them on a train to a neo-concentration-camp", by means of making an example. Perspectives differ, somebody truly living in country A will see a different society and perspective then those reading the news in country B.

Calling the racism card, fascism, nationalistic socialism (Nazi)... It is what leads to obscurity where governments need to hide what they do so they diminish their effectiveness in preventing such attacks. As an example of these cards people play ; England faced a severe case of a torturing and raping gang of pedophiles which escaped the law for many years because the cops where afraid to be called a racist. For those not informed see the spoiler.

There is no need to fight about perspectives and attacking in a thread about a tragic event...

Spoiler

For those who missed that here is he first sum up i encountered ;
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/rotherham-child-abuse-scandal-paedophile-4113152

[dg93]

FireFish said:

Spoiler

For those who missed that here is he first sum up i encountered ;
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/rotherham-child-abuse-scandal-paedophile-4113152

I don't know why people keep labeling Islam as a "race" because it's not at all limited to just brown people. Islam is a religion.




And for the record, I'm not from Europe but I've heard that Islamic Extremists have already started occupying parts of Europe: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2367/european-muslim-no-go-zones

[dew]

the_miano said:

I'm not from Europe but I've heard that Islamic Extremists have already started occupying parts of Europe: http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2367/european-muslim-no-go-zones

"Gatestone Institute"... *does a background check*... oh, I see. A New York-based neo-con pro-Israel anti-Islamic "think-tank" that apparently backs its facts with two sorts of linked sources: its own older articles and the Daily Mail. edit: Not quite true, there's more sources to various European newspapers, but I've read about the German event, for example, and that was a bunch of wahhabist convertites (read: white Germans among them!) trying to harass random passerbys in the broad daylight and they got shut down by the police immediatelly.

[Clonehunter]

The perps escaped and took hostages, now. Some of the terrorists died now too, and the body count continues to rise. Flipping through radio channels when I paused on Rush L. talking about it. Then I just looked it up. Earlier today or late last night or something. God damn.

[Tristan]

It is not racist to criticise a religion

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Hah. Try telling that to the people I know who know even less on these matters than I do. Can't discuss anything like this with them without effectively being labelled as a generalising Islamophobic racist. Probably a UKIP supporter too.

I just wish I knew more on stuff like this so I could discuss it in threads like these, because what's happening in France this week is just fucked up, and it angers me.

[Captain Red]

Eris Falling said:

I just wish I knew more on stuff like this so I could discuss it in threads like these, because what's happening in France this week is just fucked up, and it angers me.

Franky the more I learn about Islam, Europe and Geo politics in general, the less I want to actually talk about it on a forum for a 22 year old video game (or anywhere really). I'd still recommend reading up though, but check the sources of anything you find.

[dg93]

dew said:

"Gatestone Institute"... *does a background check*... oh, I see. A New York-based neo-con pro-Israel anti-Islamic "think-tank" that apparently backs its facts with two sorts of linked sources

I'm not sure if the swedenreport is politically biased or not but there are no go zones occupied by Islamic Extremists: http://swedenreport.org/2014/10/29/swedish-police-55-official-no-go-zones/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2541635/Murders-rapes-going-unreported-no-zones-police-minority-communities-launch-justice-systems.html

dew said:

I've read about the German event, for example, and that was a bunch of wahhabist convertites (read: white Germans among them!) trying to harass random passerbys in the broad daylight and they got shut down by the police immediately.

Can I see an article about this event? I was never informed about this before. I give Germany a lot of credit for having balls to take control of that situation if these Wahhabist Convertites were truly acting violently towards bystanders.

[Hellbent]

This was likely a false-flag "inside job" type of attack. The two accused are likely patsies.

[Marcaek]

You'll likely not bother posting any evidence.

[dg93]

Hellbent said:

This was likely a false-flag "inside job" type of attack. The two accused are likely patsies.

.......

[j4rio]

Marcaek said:

You'll likely not bother posting any evidence.

Maybe he knows, because he was behind it.

[dew]

Sorry, the_miano, it was an article in a Czech printed newspaper. The gist of it was that pretty much the same as what the alarmist Breitbart & co. articles write, the wahhabists really did go around the town (Wuppertal, I think) in mock police uniforms and pretended they're authorities while harassing people for not acting according to Sharia bullshit. But they got busted for it, because it's illegal to abuse the "symbols" of official authorities in most countries around here. I remember it, because the guy leading them was supposedly a white ex-fireman from the local force who converted to Wahhabic Islam, quit his job (or got fired?) and "radicalized" himself. Such an idea is so alien to my brain patterns that it stuck in my mind, heh.

Marcaek said:

You'll likely not bother posting any evidence.

Evidence only muddies the water. That's what the CIA masterminds want, to bring the discussion from apparent facts to evidence.

[snapshot]

As a beginning,i'd like to say they were trying to taking their revenge ،because Charlie was showing the World (or atleast france) some of jokes about islam,and those guys took it as distortion for islam,but they a made a great mistake by killing the Journalist ...

[Maes]

How long will it take until people in the West stop being so surprised at Islam's apparent overreaction to something as simple as a comic? Even if they had portrayed Muhammad and Allah as the bestest guys ever, they still would be killed, because the Qu'ran clearly says that it's forbidden (on penalty of death) to represent religious figures in any way, period. There's no room for negotiation, moderation, or circumstancial exceptions to that rule. It's applied dogmatically and anelastically.

The only reason you don't see more of that is that even among Muslims, not all of them are fit enough or have the cojones to go out and massacre infidels. Those "not Muslim enough" to even consider doing it, are also labelled as enemies by "truer" Muslism, so it's really a vicious, dogmatic circle.

[dg93]

dew said:

Sorry, the_miano, it was an article in a Czech printed newspaper. The gist of it was that pretty much the same as what the alarmist Breitbart & co. articles write, the wahhabists really did go around the town (Wuppertal, I think) in mock police uniforms and pretended they're authorities while harassing people for not acting according to Sharia bullshit. But they got busted for it, because it's illegal to abuse the "symbols" of official authorities in most countries around here. I remember it, because the guy leading them was supposedly a white ex-fireman from the local force who converted to Wahhabic Islam, quit his job (or got fired?) and "radicalized" himself. Such an idea is so alien to my brain patterns that it stuck in my mind, heh.

Wow, that's crazy. I can't believe that some people would actually impersonate law enforcement just to indoctrinate people with radical dogma. I'm pretty sure in most countries impersonating police officers is a serious offense. I know in some states in the US, you can get at least two years in prison and a fine up to $2,000 just for impersonating law enforcement.

[Flesh420]

Maes said:

Obviously not good Muslims, if they came to serve the "infidels" in those ways.

One of the best comments I ever read about Islam, is that it's a dangerous political expansionism agenda masquerading as a religion, and that unlike even the most extreme ones produced by the West (such as Nazism), discussion with a Muslim over matters of politics by using arguments is impossible, because for a Muslim politics is just a series of dogmatic truths.

He won't try to convince you that his position is right and yours is wrong by using arguments, he simply will state that it is right because it's written in his Holy Book and confirmed by various Fetwas, and that yours is wrong simply because it's not, whereas even a Nazi will at least try to argue some of the perceived advantages of his beliefs, and some of the disadvantages of yours (e.g. "Democracy is fallacious because it wrongly assumes we're all actually equal"). A Muslim won't even bother with that: "Democracy is wrong because it's not in the Qu'ran, period.".

That description pretty much sums up all religion cults and the insane mindset of their followers. Irony.

[Maes]

dew said:

the wahhabists really did go around the town (Wuppertal, I think) in mock police uniforms and pretended they're authorities

If wearing a reflective dustman's gilet saying "Shariah Police" on it is enough to give them enough credibility to pass as real law enforcement, then IMO that is saying more about the mentality of the German people than the "dangerous encroaching of our turf by part of Islam", which those guys exploited to pull an elaborate troll.



Because, as we all know, Germans are allegedly so square, stuck up and rigid, that they would never question the legitimacy of anything in uniform. Then again, the "Shariah Police" gang might have pulled it in this way exactly because they knew it would work with the deferent Germans. But it backfires, because the Germans probably have laws that punish even impersonating someone who looks like a municipal dustman or road workman of sorts :-)

[GreyGhost]

Maes said:

the Qu'ran clearly says that it's forbidden (on penalty of death) to represent religious figures in any way, period.

It does? Where? I have a copy somewhere around the house if you can point out the relevant sura.

"The Quran does not explicitly forbid images of Muhammad, but there are a few hadith (supplemental teachings) which have explicitly prohibited Muslims from creating visual depictions of figures."[citation needed]